140 gallon RDWC

[sahdgrower]

I just harvested my dwc with 2 600's. My results are also dissapointing but everything is still drying so I don't have a final weight yet. I am afraid of getting less than a lb. of good quality stuff also. I kept my ppm never over 800 as when I did go over the first time I got tip burn. The plants seemed plenty happy but just didn't do what I wanted. I had a bunch of issues I think though that limited production, however in the last couple weeks (weeks 7 to 9) the plants actually put on quite a bit of weight in terms of bud density. I was really surprised about this as I am growing Vortex and 8 wk strain but it continued to pack on weight even after week 8. Watch carefully. An idea I had was to use a piece of graph paper as a backdrop for taking pics of individual buds so that you can accurately gauge the growth. Since I am in my garden everyday it can be hard to notice incremental changes. I am not giving up on hydro but I think I will be going towards hempy's with blumats or a PPK system. Seems to add some stability/buffer I lack in DWC. Also quiter

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

I think you can add more plants to increase yield.
Dont give up on DWC. It yields way more than with soil.
My 2x - 600w HPS lamps yield between 24 - 32 ounces in soil.
Strain dependant of course.
If you grew out 9 plants under each 600w lamp you could easily reach 2lbs a grow.
I think growing vert, and space limitations, are what is actually hurting your yield.
Change the room design. Put hoods on them lamps. Up your plant count.... and I gaurantee you double your yields.
Make the room 6' x 12'. Give the girls a few more weeks in veg... BOOM! 2 lbs a grow!

 

[Miquiztli]

Damn Benny, dont quit on rdwc!! It takes time to dial it in. Im about to take photos of my rdwc I haven't done this set up in a few years, but it always worked for me. Once I have the time to take pics ill start a thread.

 

[Bennyweed1]

SO I switched my veg plants over to locus formula about a week ago and they look incredible and so far I find these nutrients to be a lot more stable and easier to work with oppose to maxibloom.

Perhaps my whole problem was me and maxibloom just didnt get along.

Needless to say I am excited to run a set of plants through bloom with Locus formula after seeing how they responded in veg.

I started my flush in bloom yesterday and I will let them go for probably another 4 days and then I plan to chop.

thats it for the good news. Now onto the bad.

Yesterday, upon inspecting my plants in veg and doing a manicure, I discovered spider mites just starting to spin webs on the top of a jack flash.

I never have had or seen spiders mites before in person but I knew right away what I was dealing with. I immediately grabbed my one cure fits all solution, vasoline, a banana and some rope.......

hahaha

I sprayed all my plants with some OMRI listed monterey garden spray I always keep on stand by. I think I will do three consecutive applications just to make sure or until the are gone.

What do those little pricks do aside from spinnin' web all over everything? Do they suck sap or chlorophyll out of the plants?

speakin' of........

chlorophyll.......more like boraphyll.....

who can guess what movie that is from??

 

[Bennyweed1]

I think you can add more plants to increase yield.
Dont give up on DWC. It yields way more than with soil.
My 2x - 600w HPS lamps yield between 24 - 32 ounces in soil.
Strain dependant of course.
If you grew out 9 plants under each 600w lamp you could easily reach 2lbs a grow.
I think growing vert, and space limitations, are what is actually hurting your yield.
Change the room design. Put hoods on them lamps. Up your plant count.... and I gaurantee you double your yields.
Make the room 6' x 12'. Give the girls a few more weeks in veg... BOOM! 2 lbs a grow!

Thanks for the advice man. Dont worry, im not throwing the towel in yet. I think I will probably pull around 1.5lbs now thats things are starting to wrap up for this batch. Not a horrible yield in my book after all and shows I am on the road to success here. If I can crank eventually out 2.25lbs a harvest with 1200w, I will be more then happy and I think 2.25lbs is a real reasonable number, .84 a watt which is on the upper side of average.....

The thing Im really not use to is my whole cultivation career has been a weekly perpetual basis. I now just run one batch at a time and it is really a entirely different ball game.

I now have longer veg times, larger plants, large volumes of water, ext....but things are for sure on the up and up.

Thanks again for the advice.....I think I will eventually increase my bloom count to 8 plants but the one thing about hydro oppose to soil is I cant just pot some plants and add them in. Hydro takes addition and modification to both veg and bloom as we both know, and in RDWC that also means addition of larger air pumps and perhaps water pumps....but it is for sure on my to do list. I think I will send 6 more through and actually veg them out to decent size before flowering and see where that takes me.

But I could never run 9 plants per bulb...I just dont have the necessities to veg and bloom that many plants at once. I try to maintain a small profile if you catch my drift.

plus, like I said earlier, my whole career has been smaller plant counts and shorter veg times.....I kinda like the larger plants, and less plant count approach right now.......its just easier to look after for the moment...

 

[Bennyweed1]

I just harvested my dwc with 2 600's. My results are also dissapointing but everything is still drying so I don't have a final weight yet. I am afraid of getting less than a lb. of good quality stuff also. I kept my ppm never over 800 as when I did go over the first time I got tip burn. The plants seemed plenty happy but just didn't do what I wanted. I had a bunch of issues I think though that limited production, however in the last couple weeks (weeks 7 to 9) the plants actually put on quite a bit of weight in terms of bud density. I was really surprised about this as I am growing Vortex and 8 wk strain but it continued to pack on weight even after week 8. Watch carefully. An idea I had was to use a piece of graph paper as a backdrop for taking pics of individual buds so that you can accurately gauge the growth. Since I am in my garden everyday it can be hard to notice incremental changes. I am not giving up on hydro but I think I will be going towards hempy's with blumats or a PPK system. Seems to add some stability/buffer I lack in DWC. Also quiter

Did you by chance get that final number, im curious as to how you did. And that idea for the graph paper is real clever. I know exactly what you mean about trying to see them grow, its like watching paint dry.

 

[Bennyweed1]

I have a question for someone out there. Is this common? Since I started to flush my pH as been dropping pretty quickly. I started to flush on Sunday, started at 6.0 and and at 5.0 today.

Dont know if it really matters how much pH drifts during flush but just wanted to see if this is common?

 

[Snype]

I think you can add more plants to increase yield.
Dont give up on DWC. It yields way more than with soil.
My 2x - 600w HPS lamps yield between 24 - 32 ounces in soil.
Strain dependant of course.
If you grew out 9 plants under each 600w lamp you could easily reach 2lbs a grow.
I think growing vert, and space limitations, are what is actually hurting your yield.
Change the room design. Put hoods on them lamps. Up your plant count.... and I gaurantee you double your yields.
Make the room 6' x 12'. Give the girls a few more weeks in veg... BOOM! 2 lbs a grow!

Also don't skimp on expenses and grow those roots proper like before they go into the RDWC systems. I thought you were growing those in keg cups which seems like the wrong approach. Your VEG times are also way too long and I thought that from that start. I think you need to readjust your idea of your set up. Also use proven formulas. You can't go wrong with 1 part micro to 2 parts bloom in the flora series. Your solution should tell you when your in line with your PPMs if you log your data correctly. Good luck but don't just give up. Once you get it right, you'll never turn back.

 

[Snype]

I have a question for someone out there. Is this common? Since I started to flush my pH as been dropping pretty quickly. I started to flush on Sunday, started at 6.0 and and at 5.0 today.

Dont know if it really matters how much pH drifts during flush but just wanted to see if this is common?

I usually don't pay attention to my pH during flush. My flush period is also not long with ChemDD because of how much they feed. I do recall my pH looking pretty low while flushing in the past.

 

[Bennyweed1]

I usually don't pay attention to my pH during flush. My flush period is also not long with ChemDD because of how much they feed. I do recall my pH looking pretty low while flushing in the past.

I started flush on 4/27 and am now finally getting around to taking them down tonight. They actually look prefect, I stopped monitoring the pH and it settled at 4.6 for the last 3 days.

The new set of plants in veg look awesome since switching over to lucas formula. That mix is so damn stable, I cant believe I messed with maxibloom for so long.

 

[Bennyweed1]

Also don't skimp on expenses and grow those roots proper like before they go into the RDWC systems. I thought you were growing those in keg cups which seems like the wrong approach. Your VEG times are also way too long and I thought that from that start. I think you need to readjust your idea of your set up. Also use proven formulas. You can't go wrong with 1 part micro to 2 parts bloom in the flora series. Your solution should tell you when your in line with your PPMs if you log your data correctly. Good luck but don't just give up. Once you get it right, you'll never turn back.

I know what you mean about the roots. My first few runs I didn't have that root growth your talking about. The plants in veg right now are a different story, especially after switching to Lucas.

Thanks for all the advice man, I for sure appreciate your time snype. Your the go to guy around here. Thanks man.

 

[Bennyweed1]

I finally got some pictures

Here are the plants in veg, they will be going into bloom in the next day or so.

 

[Bennyweed1]

Here is the bunch Im currently taking down. I already removed all the top colas in this pic

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

I think you should do 1 plant in a 400 gln RDWC outside this summer.

 

[sahdgrower]

Did you by chance get that final number, im curious as to how you did. And that idea for the graph paper is real clever. I know exactly what you mean about trying to see them grow, its like watching paint dry.

Final numbers on 2 600w RDWC 6 plants from seed TGA Subcool Vortex 50 days veg 65-72days flowering. Lucas formula. 715g grade A and 345g grade B and flarf. Total 1050. 1050/1200=.875/gpw Overall product satisfactory but leaves room for improvement. Especially lowering the B and flarf. Also experience a bunch of foxtailing on primary colas which significantly reduced overall numbers.

 

[Bennyweed1]

Final numbers on 2 600w RDWC 6 plants from seed TGA Subcool Vortex 50 days veg 65-72days flowering. Lucas formula. 715g grade A and 345g grade B and flarf. Total 1050. 1050/1200=.875/gpw Overall product satisfactory but leaves room for improvement. Especially lowering the B and flarf. Also experience a bunch of foxtailing on primary colas which significantly reduced overall numbers.

What causes fox tailing these days?

I had a few colas that had fox tailing towards the end.

Im still drying my plants and dont have them all chopped down yet. I removed the main colas and so far those dried at about 10.5oz and everything else is still left on the plants. Nowhere near your yield but probably like 20oz all said and done im guessing

 

[Bennyweed1]

I finally got some pictures

Here are the plants in veg, they will be going into bloom in the next day or so.

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Well it would seem I ran into another problem and I am at a lose as to what it is.

These healthy big plants I put into the bloom room about 5 days ago. The problem is, the second I put them in, everything stopped growing.

I dont know what the problem is. I have since switched the lights in bloom over to veg until I get this straightened out.

The roots are clearly not growing. They just look dormant. Not infected by any root but for sure not progressing.

I have flushed probably 4 times and re calibrated all my meters twice.

The only thing different from my blooom area and my veg area is I had this aluminum heat exchanger in the bloom control bucket cooling the water. I took it out about 36 hours ago thinking it was leaching.

The plants are starting to grow new white roots at the water line but none of the big root mass in the water is looking any better.

My big healthy plants I had are now looking like crap.

It is odd. I have bad luck with the hydro thing!!

 

[VolcanicDirt88]

i have 16 pounds of maxibloom WTF

snype is preaching about the two part GH micro bloom and im listening

going to invest in bigger airpumps and waterpumps

i have a dwc system but im looking at snypes tutorial to build the 12 rwdc bucket system

i am not happy because its taking a million years to get to this point

ac installation construction of sealed room

after its all said and done im about the 15 stacks in prob another 5 to go

 

[Bennyweed1]

i have 16 pounds of maxibloom WTF

snype is preaching about the two part GH micro bloom and im listening

going to invest in bigger airpumps and waterpumps

i have a dwc system but im looking at snypes tutorial to build the 12 rwdc bucket system

i am not happy because its taking a million years to get to this point

ac installation construction of sealed room

after its all said and done im about the 15 stacks in prob another 5 to go

That is insane, your grow location must be one awesome setup. I can just imagine the amount of badassness I would have if I had the spot and cash to drop like that. Dang man

Anyway. I moved this thread into the vert section under a new title because I completely changed the setup.

Things are going much better now.

Here is the new link https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=285625

 

[Snype]

i have 16 pounds of maxibloom WTF

snype is preaching about the two part GH micro bloom and im listening

going to invest in bigger airpumps and waterpumps

i have a dwc system but im looking at snypes tutorial to build the 12 rwdc bucket system

i am not happy because its taking a million years to get to this point

ac installation construction of sealed room

after its all said and done im about the 15 stacks in prob another 5 to go

LOL! Build my system and sit back and watch the money roll in! Don't skimp on the air pumps though, or watch your money go back down the toilet. You won't believe how easy it is once you start using my techniques.