6/9 & A Pinch BayBay!

[MIMedHead]

I used Heisenberg tea for two yrs, ran out of bennies and decided to try no teas. My roots are better then ever growing on top of my coco like crazy, did the same with teas but seems a little better this run without. I only used KB week 5 to 7 then flushed for two to three weeks. Plan on feeding moab the same week 5-7 then flush.

Same with silica bought 5 gallon jug used it for awhile before that ran out and haven't used it this run. I'm digging it. I never noticed silica and to add any strength per se to my stems. Which is why i started using it.

Seems less additives better control of my plants I can add things when I see a need. Most times nothing is needed besides base. 6/9 and pH down kiss

 

[HHULKK]

Definitely have saved a lot switching over to 6/9 protekt n sm. The overall health of my plants is fantastic. In regards to cutting micro I have to agree on leaving it in longer. I was already thinking I was taking it too long by cutting it in week 6 for an 8 week strain. I feel it could be left in minimum a half week longer or even just cut it out at week 7. My bubbas are halfway in week 7 and they are yellowing out pretty fast already. Hopefully them suckas don't yellow out on me too much by harvest. Thanks again for the feedback!

 

[stoned40yrs]

Nice thread micro and bloom are my go too nutrients from day one. 6/9 for coco. I dropper silica and drip clean from my regiment and also dropped weekly ewc tea and things are looking better then ever! I mostly use base sometimes in a great moon I use Epsom when I see a mag def. I started using sm90 keeping my black hole drippers and way cleaner then drip clean ever did. Trying out madfarmer MOAB for the first time this run instead of KoolBloom. Anyways sorry about the rant nice thread coco

You must have been doing something else wrong if dropping the silica improved things. AgSil 16H is used in growing everything commercial. It's proven effectiveness is beyond question in the industry. I would blame teas

 

[Coconutz]

http://www.greners.com/i/nutrients-additives/brand/botanicare/silica-blast.html
http://www.planetnatural.com/product/silica-blast/
http://4hydroponics.com/botanicare-silica-blast
http://www.amazon.com/Botanicare-Silica-Blast-1-Gallon/dp/B000EJXKR2
Its 2% silica
So you are probably right.
I always remembered blast to be watered down, so Im not sure how they get those numbers.

Heres that paper I was looking for awhile back.
http://florawww.eeb.uconn.edu/msds/Pro-Tekt_DataSheet.pdf
They claim 49ppm of silica is plenty. I dont know where 100ppm comes from?

I replaced teas with some bleach in my ro tank
peace

 

[watts]

Aliendawg v1 x Fire og

6/9

 

[stoned40yrs]

http://www.greners.com/i/nutrients-additives/brand/botanicare/silica-blast.html
http://www.planetnatural.com/product/silica-blast/
http://4hydroponics.com/botanicare-silica-blast
http://www.amazon.com/Botanicare-Silica-Blast-1-Gallon/dp/B000EJXKR2
Its 2% silica
So you are probably right.
I always remembered blast to be watered down, so Im not sure how they get those numbers.

Heres that paper I was looking for awhile back.
http://florawww.eeb.uconn.edu/msds/Pro-Tekt_DataSheet.pdf
They claim 49ppm of silica is plenty

I replaced teas with some bleach in my ro tank
peace

Trying to cost me more money by making me follow the directions on the bottle eh?
Big silica scam is what they got going on. Protekt, Silica Blast, MadFarmer Silica, they all get around $20 a quart. At 5ml/gal that's enough for only 189 gallons/30ppm. All of it is AgSil 16h and water. .25 gr of AgSil 16h per gal is the equivalent of 5ml/gal of Protekt, Blast etc. 1 lb of AgSil 16h sells for between $10-13 and will dose 1792 gallons at 30ppm.
I found a couple places that sell it. MBFERTS sells it for $12.99 a lb but you have to spend $25 to order there so buy 2lbs.(enough for 3584 gal) They ship FREE in USA.
The other place is KisOrganics-$10 a lb and you can get 1-3 lbs shipped for $5.99.
http://www.kisorganics.com/products/shop/agsil-16h-potassium-silicate

As soon as I use up this protekt, no more silica ripoff

 

[LyryC]

Trying to cost me more money by making me follow the directions on the bottle eh?
Big silica scam is what they got going on. Protekt, Silica Blast, MadFarmer Silica, they all get around $20 a quart. At 5ml/gal that's enough for only 189 gallons/30ppm. All of it is AgSil 16h and water. .25 gr of AgSil 16h per gal is the equivalent of 5ml/gal of Protekt, Blast etc. 1 lb of AgSil 16h sells for between $10-13 and will dose 1792 gallons at 30ppm.
I found a couple places that sell it. MBFERTS sells it for $12.99 a lb but you have to spend $25 to order there so buy 2lbs.(enough for 3584 gal) They ship FREE in USA.
The other place is KisOrganics-$10 a lb and you can get 1-3 lbs shipped for $5.99.
http://www.kisorganics.com/products/shop/agsil-16h-potassium-silicate

As soon as I use up this protekt, no more silica ripoff

thats some golden information brother

Thank you kindle




TO THE GUY WHO GOT THE BLACKHOLE DRIPPERS - WHERE!!!

 

[watts]

Fill a 1 gallon container half way with with RO water. Pour in 541 grams of AgSil 16h and fill the rest of the container with RO water. Shake well. This will give you the the same thing as a gallon of protekt.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Fill a 1 gallon container half way with with RO water. Pour in 541 grams of AgSil 16h and fill the rest of the container with RO water. Shake well. This will give you the the same thing as a gallon of protekt.

KisOrganics sez 560 grams of AgSil 16h in a gal of RO makes 7.6% silicon which is the same as protekt %. Not that it matters.

 

[watts]

Well if you add the agsil 16h to 128 ounces of water then you will end up with more than a 1 gallon solution. It wouldn't be able to fit in a 1 gallon container. By filling a container half way with RO water, then adding the agsil 16h, and topping it off with water, you get a 1 gallon solution. This is the reasoning for using 541 grams. I believe kis organics directions say to use 560 grams to 1 gallon (128 ounces).

 

[Coconutz]

http://www.mbferts.com/Agsil-16H-Potassium-Silicate-Soluble-Silica-Powder-545.htm
If you take (1) gallon of R.O. water and add (.25) gram of Agsil® 16H you would have 18ppm (K)Potassium and 35ppm (Si) Silica in solution.

Most companies selling Agsil 16H Potassium Silicate, Soluble Silica Powder, will tell you to use it at 50-100ppm when the industry standard is 30-35ppm, even Botanicare® Silica Blast® will yield 30ppm from 5ml/gal at the manufacturer’s recommended dosage. In our opinion, this is just to get you to buy more Agsil® 16h.

Every few weeks Foliar Spray: Use at 35 PPM or .25g/gal

Damn Ive been using it at higher foliar application rates!
Higher K to Si ratio than protekt?
I dont understand the neem mix? It says to mix it directly with 1oz of neem oil and then mix it with water, but then it says never mix concnetrates?

For foliar application, we recommend mixing AgSil 16H with Ahimsa Neem Oil.
Mix 1.5 grams AgSil 16H with 1 ounce Neem Oil to emulsify the oil. Then mix this emulsified oil with one gallon final volume spray solution. Spray every other week covering all plant surfaces (top and bottom of leaves) until it runs off.
NOTE: Never mix concentrated silica solutions with other concentrated fertilizers. It is best to make up the liquid solution first or add water prior to mixing the powder with other ingredients or nutrients.

 

[stoned40yrs]

You see actual benefits from a foliar with silica or just the absence of negative effects

 

[Coconutz]

I add it to my spinosad
It doesnt seem to do any harm at 5-10ml per gal.
Always used to use 2.5 per gal but Ive read of people using 2.5 per liter...
Its all good. Im ordering the powder sooner or later anyway. Ill probably just follow directions.

 

[Coconutz]

I was thinking of using EWC teas again - did get into it when I was toying with DWC as per Heisenberg's thread at RIU, did it with some early veg plants in coco and now just do it on my outdoor vegies.

But you don't think it was helping? I'm all about the rhizosphere and focus on soil biology etc, and wanted to use teas to boost my inoculations I do on transplant with a commercial product. Though have been happy with results so far to not feel it a necessary change



So you follow the Rez methodology of doing KB blasts 3 times? I was going to do this - though I'll just grab some regular monopotassium phosphate. My plan is to avoid huge increases in P to not kill the mycorrhizae, keep cost down, and reduce environmental impacts. But I'm not sure if it's a positive trade off.

Cnutz dude, you don't hit your ladies up with boosters do you?

Sometimes...
My Powder got all wet under my sink a couple of weeks ago, so thats gone...
Ive been playing with the liquid recently and its too much with 6/9 if you use it more than a few times.
Plants dont like that shit too often.
They are always healthier without any boosts.
Im probably not going to use anymore liquid for a few runs.
Dont worry about microbes.

 

[stoned40yrs]

In the back of my nute cabinets there are containers of MOAB, Beastie Bloomz and KoolBloom. Now that I got plants in bloom sometimes at night I hear the nutes whispering "Use me" "no, use me". Sum bitches

 

[cannacultural]

Hah too funny guys. If keeping them on pure 6/9 is good through bloom then I'm down with that. I don't want to buy anything else and am all about KISS.

Interesting to hear what yall saying about timing for dropping the micro. Think I'll keep it going past week 5, but we'll see how she goes.

For those who do drop micro and don't use additives, are you increasing the amount of Bloom to 12ml/gal as per H3ad? Even that seems probably unneeded aye?

Dont worry about microbes.

Not into it? I'm sold on it. Have done plenty of research into it - my professional field of study to be too. I use a commercial inoculant with heaps of good guys and add a little at clone and transplant. Beyond that I'm not going crazy - I keep that for my organic stuff.

 

[Coconutz]

How much is too much?
Does the cost and maintenance outweigh the benefits?
The biology can compete with the plants.
I let my plants do their thing.
The room and water cleanliness and smell is a big reason Im adding bleach now

 

[cannacultural]

Bleach? Hah, I dunno about that. I did it when trying to deal with pythium - furtherest I'd go is H2O2 as a regular additive.

Both sterile and live have their pros and cons for sure. I'm sold on the notion that certain microbes are helping certain aspects of the grow. eg, trichoderma to help deal with gnats (albeit I'm not seeing those results at the moment), I forget specific species, but ones which aid in water uptake, and various nutrient uptake. As well as increased root surface area etc. Having checked the root systems during transplant and post harvest, I can definitely say I am impressed with the result compared to not using them. Having added the humic acid recently has help even more with that. But definitely not a requirement. I just can't get over the idea of growing a plant without it . Nature always finds a niche, so I like to fill it with something which might help rather than fight off everything else

 

[Coconutz]

Should be less than 1ppm. Thats about whats in tap water.
The RO tanks were stinking and the hoses used to get some slime in the RO tanks until I started adding bleach.
The water here is filthy.... No telling what makes it through the RO.
I have a prefilter that turns brown within a week of cleaning the sediment filter out.
When I think about it I get all paranoid about the future of our planet!

 

[cannacultural]

Oh well in that setup I can see what you mean. When I first used bleach, I was a bit iffy on it. Once I got my head around the chemistry, I could understand it's application if appropriate. No doubt dealing with icky water and all that plumbing is a pain. I'm lucky with my tap water, super clean.

I don't have a problem environmentally with bleach so much - I'd never use enough of it. I meant more the general over use of inputs/chemicals and specifically chemical ferts. Which is why the 6/9 is the ducks nuts! Keep it low, keep it simple and rock