Bench - Pressed For Space grow

[dank.frank]

Hey bro - that Ken Father x Alpha pheno looks nanner city...

And a lot of things are looking a bit leafy. Are you pushing too much N on these plants or have you had some feeding issues?

Where did you get some NSPB mix? Is this what you used?

Not trying to be negative or overly critical...just curious. Would love to help you get things a bit more dialed in and understand why some of the plants are performing as they are. I've not seen an FBPK that looks so...shaggy...which is the main reason I'm expressing some concern.

The CB x DB looks fire. Seems to be showing some of the Carolina Blue in the way the flowers are wanting to tail out and stack in a "crown" at the end of the bud set.

A lot of them look good - but some are a bit off it would seem. Let's figure out why!



dank.Frank

 

[bench warmer]

No, I should've clarified, I haven't had the chance to buy authentic NSPB mix.
I mixed my own, using the recipe I found on this forum.
I added alfalfa meal & probably was too heavy on an ingredient that added excessive N.
I appreciate any advice offered.
If nothing else, My garden is a reliable acid test to see what happens when strains are randomly abused.
I've plucked several nanners from the KFAD as well as off a Black Domina that shared the same corner of the tent (the hottest point in the space).
They've all been root bound too, so I'm not surprised these complications have occurred.
This is the first crop I've attempted in this new home & the ventilation hasn't been worked out properly yet.
Is there a way to effectively leach excess N from an organic medium?

 

[dank.frank]

Well, just grow more plants in it...hahahaha...

Or you can thin it out with more soil mix that hasn't been fertilized...

The NSPB: FLF achieved a very delicate balance of provisions, with some things added for the sole purpose of their contributions outside of an "NPK" value....more of a feed the soil type approach to the matrix.

I've been suggesting the following as of late, for a simple, easy to make organic mix that performs well:

3 gal dirt / earth / topsoil / nursery soil (unfertilized)
1.5 gal coir
2.5 gal peat
3 gal aeration (chunky perlite, lava rock, permatil, etc.)
1 gal EWC


1/2c alfalfa meal
1c blood meal
1c bone meal
1/2c seabird guano
1c kelp meal
1/3c dolomite
1/3c gypsum
2/3c oyster shell flour
1/2c azomite
1/2c dry molasses

1/4 tbsp BioVam
1/4 tbsp BioAg Vam

OR

Phillthy's original mix with some minor adjustments:

1/2 bale Pro Mix Bx
1 bag FFOF (or equivalent such as Roots Organic, ect.)
5 gallons chunky perlite
3 gallons EWC

Azomite – 1/4c
Alfalfa Meal – 1/3c
Blood Meal – 1c
Bone Meal – 1c
Dolomite Limestone – 1/3c
Gypsum – 1/3c
Oyster Shell Flour – 2/3c
Greensand – 1/2c
Kelp Meal – 2/3C
Seabird Guano – 1/2c
Sul-Po-Mg – 1/4c


Both of the above mixes will produce some care free easy to grow plants. The adjusted Phillthy mix can be pushed a bit harder if you use some organic bottled nutrients...or if you make your own teas or FPE, etc.

Quick cheat sheet, per gallon:

wk2:
1/4 tsp Thrive Alive B1 (green label)

wk 3:
1 tsp of Earth Juice Meta-K
2 tbsp of Budswel Liquid (yellow)

wk 4:
1 tsp of General Organics Cal/Mg

wk 5:
1 tsp Earth Juice Meta-K
2 tbsp Budswel (yellow label)

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But I agree, that you could be experiencing some issues with flowering them in such small containers. I know I could never keep a plant as healthy as I wanted to using 1 gallon bags if I tried to flower the plants if they got any bigger than 10-12" in veg...

Without knowing exactly what you are planting in - perhaps just seeing some of the above figures can help you figure out where you need to make your adjustments if you don't care to follow those exactly.



dank.Frank

 

[bench warmer]

Well, just grow more plants in it...hahahaha...

Or you can thin it out with more soil mix that hasn't been fertilized...

The NSPB: FLF achieved a very delicate balance of provisions, with some things added for the sole purpose of their contributions outside of an "NPK" value....more of a feed the soil type approach to the matrix.

I've been suggesting the following as of late, for a simple, easy to make organic mix that performs well:

3 gal dirt / earth / topsoil / nursery soil (unfertilized)
1.5 gal coir
2.5 gal peat
3 gal aeration (chunky perlite, lava rock, permatil, etc.)
1 gal EWC


1/2c alfalfa meal
1c blood meal
1c bone meal
1/2c seabird guano
1c kelp meal
1/3c dolomite
1/3c gypsum
2/3c oyster shell flour
1/2c azomite
1/2c dry molasses

1/4 tbsp BioVam
1/4 tbsp BioAg Vam

OR

Phillthy's original mix with some minor adjustments:

1/2 bale Pro Mix Bx
1 bag FFOF (or equivalent such as Roots Organic, ect.)
5 gallons chunky perlite
3 gallons EWC

Azomite – 1/4c
Alfalfa Meal – 1/3c
Blood Meal – 1c
Bone Meal – 1c
Dolomite Limestone – 1/3c
Gypsum – 1/3c
Oyster Shell Flour – 2/3c
Greensand – 1/2c
Kelp Meal – 2/3C
Seabird Guano – 1/2c
Sul-Po-Mg – 1/4c


Both of the above mixes will produce some care free easy to grow plants. The adjusted Phillthy mix can be pushed a bit harder if you use some organic bottled nutrients...or if you make your own teas or FPE, etc.

Quick cheat sheet, per gallon:

wk2:
1/4 tsp Thrive Alive B1 (green label)

wk 3:
1 tsp of Earth Juice Meta-K
2 tbsp of Budswel Liquid (yellow)

wk 4:
1 tsp of General Organics Cal/Mg

wk 5:
1 tsp Earth Juice Meta-K
2 tbsp Budswel (yellow label)

------

But I agree, that you could be experiencing some issues with flowering them in such small containers. I know I could never keep a plant as healthy as I wanted to using 1 gallon bags if I tried to flower the plants if they got any bigger than 10-12" in veg...

Without knowing exactly what you are planting in - perhaps just seeing some of the above figures can help you figure out where you need to make your adjustments if you don't care to follow those exactly.



dank.Frank

Thanks Frank! That's fantastic info... And now I'll be able to find it easily.

 

[dank.frank]

LOL...riiiiiiigggghhhhht. It's always nice to have the information more readily at hand.

While the NSPB is much more complex that any of the above, those listed are GREAT formulations that work and should be easy enough for anyone to track down the ingredients without having to order off the net...



dank.Frank

 

[Buero]

Love all these pictures of colas! Straight to the gooch!

 

[bench warmer]

I managed to "smuggle" Azomite into my neck of the woods last year, since I couldn't find it locally and sources online don't offer shipping to my location.

I was unable to acquire Biovam & BioAG Vam, so I tried to McGyver them using GH Subculture, AN Trantula and AN Piranha. This substitution was a shot in the dark. Who knows... It may have contributed to the extreme leafiness.

@ Buero - Hehe.. Glad you like them.

 

[dank.frank]

The mycos are a pretty specialty order...gotta get those from the particular sources that retail them. I wasn't aware they couldn't ship to specific places though. I think it's one of the best investments I ever made. Healthy roots = healthy plants. Increased microbial activity = increased bio-availability...and so much more.

I'm willing to bet you spent MUCH more on the GH and AN combos than you would have on the others though...



dank.Frank

 

[bench warmer]

I'm willing to bet you spent MUCH more on the GH and AN combos than you would have on the others though...

You know you would win that bet IF I didn't get them comped at a hydroponic expo.

I won't give up on getting those specific items into my garden. I may just ask someone whom can receive them to forward them on over to me.

 

[dank.frank]

Either way...I don't use the stuff right in the first place...

Supposed to apply it to the roots at planting / transplant...but like everything else, I just mix them into the soil like any other amendment...hahaha. BUT, I know it makes a huge difference even doing that. After composting for a bit and once the sprouts from the cover crop start to grow - the whole batch of soil jiggles like a bowl of jello. Super healthy and rich soil...I never get that response or that jiggle if I don't add the microbes. Which honestly, just amazes me...to say the least.

I mix / compost everything in a kiddie pool - so if that forms a better mental picture. I can bump the edge of the pool and the entire batch of soil will jiggle back and forth...hehehe. It's actually one of the ways I tell when the soil is ready to use. It doesn't react that way at first. Usually take 3-4 weeks before it behaves that way. When I began noticing such things, I really stopped ignoring the benefit of properly composting a mix.

I know what I am stating is anecdotal observation - but the soil tests taken from a mix just made vs a mix that had composted for a month vs a mix that had composted for two months - made me a believer and now it's a part of the process I consider a must for maximum results.



dank.Frank

 

[bench warmer]

I hear you. I mixed as close to the recipe as I could with available ingredients & let sit for 4 months. When I went to use it, the texture was lovely.

In spite of the leafiness, I can honestly say the quality of my gardening seems to be improving harvest after harvest, (or at least are not facing regular major trauma as previous grows).

I'm happy that I made some crosses again. All the plants pollinated with my Flo male are showing clear evidence the pollen took. (ie. CBDB bx1, F13 & Cannatonic).

Unfortunately, the ChemSour/SSCDH pollen isn't being as obvious in it's effect on his ladies (ChemSour x SSCDH, Sour Power, Snowdog x ChemSour).

Fingers crossed those are forming.

 

[dank.frank]

I'd love to see the rest of that CB x DB you are running, to be honest...

The GR v2 crops are looking real nice though...and that sour power is looking mighty frosty.



dank.Frank

 

[bench warmer]

Oops!... I'm glad you mentioned CBDB bx1 pics because I just realized I'd mislabeled a pic of Suge's PK as CBDB bx1 (on the previous page). Sorry about that.

It's now fixed.
Here are pics of the seeded CBDB bx1

 

[bench warmer]

Hortilab x Karma Genetics:

6 Sour Power x Biker Kush
6 StarBud Sister x Biker Kush (one of these is still below the surface)

 

[dank.frank]

Nice on those testers, Bench!!! Love me some Karma gear!

Hope those Ix's turn out nice for you. Could be some very unstable phenos in there - just so you know - keep your eyes on them in early flower. Digi is thai - and can behave every bit the part. Your mother for the projects sure looks frosty though!



dank.Frank

 

[bench warmer]

Thanks Frank. I've been super happy with every Karma Genetics and Hortilab plant I've grown, so these testers are already a joy to grow.

The CBDB bx1 was crossed with DJ Short's Flo pollen. Still likely to create a lot of variation. I soaked 4 of these seeds 2 days ago and they shot tails out almost immediately. They're already in Jiffy 7's.

I'm making an IX of ChemSour x SSCDH as long as the seeded mother will reveg without problems.

Eventually, I'll send a few packs in for the Server Fund:
eg.
CBDB x Flo
Sour Power x ChemSour/SSCDH
Snowdog x ChemSour/SSCDH

These beans were just plucked from their mom this morning & there's plenty more still in her buds.

 

[dank.frank]

Hey Bench...did you make bx1 of the CBDB? Then cross to Flo?

If not, make sure it is CB x (DB Bx1) - which are technically F1's.

Just wanted to make sure you have that clear.

How is the sour power compared to other "sour" lines such as say ECSD clone?



dank.Frank

 

[bench warmer]

The seeds were part of the Stank Bros Breeder Pack. The label actually says, "Blueberry".

Admittedly, I'm unclear about whether there's any "bx1" relevant to these "Blueberry" seeds.

The Sour Power has a lot of lemon notes and offers a quick and thorough head rush, settling behind the eye sockets for about 30 minutes but soon sets the body down for a good rest.

I haven't had the ECSD clone (yet) but the ecsd S1's I grew (Dr. Greenthumb) gave me some indications that I think resembled Sour Power, although Sour Power's effects lasts longer overall.

The Sour Power effects reminded me a lot of Motarebel's Sour Turbo strain.

 

[dank.frank]

Yeah, Bench, I was being lazy when I labeled those. In hind sight, I won't do that again.

The "Blueberry" was:

Carolina Blue x Digi Bx1:

Carolina = Blue Sat 2.2 x Grape Krush

Digi Bx1 = Digi x (Digi x Sour Bub Bx2)

So, what you have going is CBDB x Flo - which could be similar to Cooper1's blueberry project where he took pre-99 BB sativa x CBDB...

I am loving that people are seeing the potential in the line and using it to pair back into the blue gene pool...

The CB x DB Bx1 - has about 6 or 7 generations of blueberry in that single cross, so - it only makes sense to utilize the stock in such a manner...

Have seen TONS of positive results from the seeds - and the father Digi Bx1 when paired to other blueberry cuts as well...

Seems to have sparked a new cycle of people playing around in the blue gene pools and that really excites me - as that was the entire purpose.

Keep a watch on MikeNite as well - I know he will be playing around with some CBDB and outcrossing it as well...lol...

Anyway - yeah, a proper ECSD has a GREAT high - but if not grown to perfection can let you down in under an hour...

Glad your posting up on the regular again, Bench!



dank.Frank

 

[bench warmer]

Thanks for clearing that up for me DF.
I knew there was a bx1 in there somewhere.
You've got me excited about this cross.
Would CBDB have similarities to DJ Short's Blueberry in flavour, smell or effect?
This CBDB girl had the crinkle leaf mutation throughout veg.
I also used the Flo pollen on DJ Short's F13 in hopes of finding some old school blueberry characteristics down the road.