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zeet

zeet

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Hello folks, I'm a long time lurker of the concentrate section, soaking up as much of your knowledge as I can.

I started with a Tamisium about 1 1/2 years ago & now have been running a BHOgart for about 3 months. I'm want to sell to a couple of dispensaries but there's so much mis-information and myths going around about butane that it's challenging for me to dispel them all from memory.

there are a few questions that keep coming up that I would like to give solid answers to along with something that I can print out to show these folks that butane extractions like shatter or edibles made from them are safe.

what I keep hearing:

"butane causes chromosomal damage"
Now I don't believe it causes chromosomal damage but I need to be pointed to something I can print out to show them that it does not.

"what happens to butane when it enters the body"
"what does butane break down into?"
"so, butane is food safe?"


Thanks so much guys. I will add more questions to this thread when I hear them and I look forward to learning more and talking with the brilliant minds if this community

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zeet

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Photosynthesis said:
Bubble Hash, or better yet "ice wax." Butane is unnecessary for quality hash.

People are crazy as fuck for smoking bho.
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Yeah, man...that's like your opinion. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of "icewax" threads for you to go to and talk about how much you love love love it.

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Photosynthesis

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zeet said:
Yeah, man...that's like your opinion. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of "icewax" threads for you to go to and talk about how much you love love love it.

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There is plenty of information documenting the butane residue left in BHO.

No opinion needed.
 
nkatadelgormo

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Photosynthesis please share any links or threads you have in mind. Otherwise you come off as a troll. If you have nothing to share other than negativity, then stfu.
 
Daub Marley

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NotaProfessor

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zeet said:
"butane causes chromosomal damage"
Now I don't believe it causes chromosomal damage but I need to be pointed to something I can print out to show them that it does not.
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I think you should be looking for the studies that support the claim made in quotes. The burden of proof is on the claimant, not the skeptic.
 
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mofeta

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EDIT: I see that Daub Marley had already posted a link to the TOXNET page I referenced. Didn't read the thread carefully enough. Hi Daub!

I find the absurd fear of butane to be a brilliant display of scientific illiteracy.

The amounts in even the most poorly prepared BHO, the kind that will shoot little flaming meteors when dabbed, does not have harmful amounts of butane.

In fact, butane is so non-toxic that the main way for it to be dangerous when breathed is when it as at such high concentrations that it displaces enough air in your lungs so as to asphyxiate you. It isn't the toxicity in this case, it is causing a lack of O2 and CO2 simply by crowding it out.

Zeet, I think CarefulGrower was trying to help out, the MSDS he posts correctly identifies butane as non-toxic.

Properly prepared BHO has very low, inconsequential amounts of butane. Lighting one joint/bowl/cigar etc with a butane lighter will cause you to ingest more butane than I get in a whole day of oil. When is the last time you smelled the smell of gasoline? Gasoline has lots of butane, pentane etc. In fact, gasoline vapors are mainly 4 or 5 carbon linear alkanes like butane. Even regular city air has enough butane in it that the inner city dweller probably breathes in as much butane as I get from the properly prepared BHO I smoke out here in the clean air of the country (if they live by a gas station, they probably get more than I do with my oil).

Here is a link to a useful page on butane's toxicity. It is from the U.S. National Library of Medicine's Toxicology Data Network called TOXNET. This may not be THE last word on toxicology, but it is close, and is exhaustive in it's considerations and scientific citations.

Here are a couple of relevant quotes from the TOXNET page:

The acute toxicity of n-butane has been studied after inhalation exposure in experimental animals. LC50 (4h) was 658 mg/l in rats and LC50 (2h) was 680 mg/l in mice. In dogs, lethal concentrations ranged from 474 to 592 mg/l.
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For comparison, the LC50 for acetic acid (vinegar) in rats is generally reported to be between 15 and 100 mg/l. (from memory anyway, look it up and see if I am in the ballpark)

No mutagenic activity was observed in several tests in Salmonella typhimurium strains..... Occupational exposure of 53 male refinery workers for an average of 11 years to n-butane (concentration varied from 0.0004 mg/l to 0.0178 mg/l) did not cause any clinical symptoms in the workers. ... In conclusion, exposure to low concentrations of n-butane has not been reported to cause adverse effects in humans.
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According to the National Ambient Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) Database, the median urban atmospheric concn of n-butane is 9.174 ppbV for 546 samples(1). Based upon this figure and the value for average daily inhalation by a human adult of 20 cu m of air, the average daily intake of n-butane via air is 183 mg.
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The last quote is really interesting. 183mg a day just from breathing air. I leave it to you to calculate how much you get from properly (heck,even meteor-shooting stuff) BHO if you are a the heaviest of oil-heads.

Here is a good resource for those of you wanting improve your understanding of the concept of toxicity:

THE DOSE MAKES THE POISON
 
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zeet

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Thanks alot Notaprof....."Dose makes the poison" is very eye opening. I just wish it would let me print it. Say's I need a pswrd to print. Any ideas?

And carefulgrower, sorry if I mistook your comment. thanks for they reply.
 
zeet

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^^sorry, i meant thanks to mofetta for the above post. Thank you professor for your response as well. That's a good way to look at it.
 
Gry

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I may be mistaken, but it has always been my impression that the propellent for PAM cooking spray is n butane.
 
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zeet said:
Yeah, man...that's like your opinion. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of "icewax" threads for you to go to and talk about how much you love love love it.

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Zeet;

One thing I AM sure of. Anyone who used butane without explosion proof equipment,,,,, IS crazy as fuck.

We've already had a bunch of fires out here in Co. this year from people not knowing what they are doing, and inside to boot.

Makes a hell of a fire though..... iF you like that sort of thing. :biggrin:
 
zeet

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2 Legal Co said:
Zeet;

One thing I AM sure of. Anyone who used butane without explosion proof equipment,,,,, IS crazy as fuck.

We've already had a bunch of fires out here in Co. this year from people not knowing what they are doing, and inside to boot.

Makes a hell of a fire though..... iF you like that sort of thing. :biggrin:
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aaaaaand this is relevant to the topic of the OP how?

Matt Rize is that you?

Kick rocks buddy.
 
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CarefulGrower

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mofeta said:
The amounts in even the most poorly prepared BHO, the kind that will shoot little flaming meteors when dabbed, does not have harmful amounts of butane.
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Plant waxes cant be partially attributed to 'off shoots' when dabbing. Hitting a ti pad (easier to see it happen) it's very regular with well purged BHO, but nearly never with mine that has been winterized, just personal experience though nothing concrete.

But I agree. If your oil is even half assed heat purged the levels of butane are un-worrisome. But it is awful tasting.
 
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