Over the edge with edibles

[Jhhnn]

I'm posting about this tragic story-

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25593871/observatory-park-man-charged-wifes-murder-pot-shop

We really don't know this guy's mental health up front or level of experience wrt edibles, and the fact that he "may" have knocked down some painkillers at the same time complicates things, of course. We've had a couple of other fatalities associated with multiple dose edibles, as well. People freak out.

The candy bar in question contains 100mg of THC, and is obviously not intended to be eaten more than a bite per session, something the guy may or may not have known. We don't know how much of it he ate, either, but if it was the whole thing, he'd have been flying, to say the least.

The upshot is that there have been increasing demands for single serving packaging exclusively, and that each contain no more than 10mg. They also want edibles to be embossed w/ easily identifiable symbols directly on the edible to prevent accidental ingestion.

All of this legal retail MJ is brand new, beyond our personal & cultural experience, so it's hard to tell what's reasonable & what's not over things like this.

Played up in the Media, too much of this stuff threatens legalized marijuana entirely, not to mention the terrifying experiences of over-indulging with edibles.

What say our members? Is the idea of limiting edibles to recommended single serving strength packaging reasonable? Embossing edibles w/ an easily recognized symbol?

I'm not quite sure how I feel about it, other than badly for people who end up on the wrong end of it.

 

[Capt.Ahab]

They need to make sure the edibles actually have in them what is stated on the package first. Didnt I just read an article reporting that many edibles contain less or more than what is stated on the package?

 

[who dat is]

This just popped up in the Colorado Thread and I'm wondering if this isn't what Keif was talking about.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Keif Stoned View Post
Does anyone support the suggestion that maybe it's a little risky for retail outlets to be selling edibles, considering the attention that's being given to the legal status of pot in CO and WA. I'm speaking only of people who are being given access to edibles and maybe are only occasional or first time smoker/users.

This is not about the two events recently in the news that supposedly involved edibles. My concern is a possible event and the backlash in the news resulting from an incident, lets say, from a tourist ingesting an over dose and the high profile news story as a result. Could be just a trip to the ER or maybe they are at DIA for a flight home and want to get rid of a purchase before security. About half way thru the flight the gummy bears start to really kick in and the flight is diverted and passenger is taken to the ER and news media has a field day. Think about the liabilities that the seller might face. Are edibles really worth the bad PR at this point in time?

I think it's just a matter of time before the FDA steps in and sets regulations. Is it not enough to at last have cannabis legal for growing/smoking without pushing the envelope. Unless your using edibles for medical purposes, I really don't understand why anyone wants them anyway? It's a annoying high and goes on what seems like forever.

If i'm wrong about this, someone please explain

KS


You have some good points and I feel similarly as you do about edibles. I think what it will always boil down to though is the almighty dollar.

I've been there with tinctures for sure.

 

[BrnCow]

If an edible states 4 doses, then even an experienced user should do no more than 1/3 or 1/2 the first time...this guy didn't need any...a normal person would have gone to the emergency room and a normal family member would have called an ambulance so this guy was likely batty and then took drugs and pot candy...

 

[Jhhnn]

They need to make sure the edibles actually have in them what is stated on the package first. Didnt I just read an article reporting that many edibles contain less or more than what is stated on the package?

For sure. But that doesn't directly address what I was talking about.

One large 120mg cookie, or a dozen smaller 10mg cookies? One 100mg candy bar or 10 individually wrapped 10mg candies in a package? Easy to recognize symbols on each, even when unwrapped , or not?

Not that I'm crazy about more regulation than we already have, but I'm leaning towards the individual portions idea, even if it just helps the inexperienced avoid the unpleasantness of doing more than they can handle, let alone the few major freak outs we've seen.

 

[Guest]

My post on Co. growers was certainly about edibles and their effects, but not this story or the student's jump tragedy. I think these stories have been grabbed up for weapons by opposition and will return after every instance of edible over indulgence.

I knew of this recent murder story, but had thoughts long before about how easy it is to over dose when the effects are delayed as we all know happens. Human nature to grab another when your not feeling anything and waiting.

 

[who dat is]

Do you have a link to the student jump story?

 

[Guest]

They need to make sure the edibles actually have in them what is stated on the package first. Didnt I just read an article reporting that many edibles contain less or more than what is stated on the package?

Yes, the article was about how much less THC most products tested out to have, than stated. Probably a good thing, but demonstrates how unreliable the claims that are stated. Some items were very close to accurate but most were not.

 

[RoadRash]

this is a fairly common mistake.

when i was in high school, i over-did it on some cookies at a Doobie Brothers' Concert.


Also, about 10 years ago, some friends in SoCal had a cookie stash and one of their dogs got into it.

the dog was coma-like for about a week (eating enough for 10 adults will do that to a 15 pound dog), then appeared to recover, then died.

i named a strain after her. "Lola."

 

[Guest]

Do you have a link to the student jump story?

Should be on Denver Post site. Happened about 3 weeks ago in Ft Collins,I think. Like the more recent event, this one seemed to have edibles consumption at the core, but also maybe some mental/chemical issues were involved.

 

[Jhhnn]

This just popped up in the Colorado Thread and I'm wondering if this isn't what Keif was talking about.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Keif Stoned View Post
Does anyone support the suggestion that maybe it's a little risky for retail outlets to be selling edibles, considering the attention that's being given to the legal status of pot in CO and WA. I'm speaking only of people who are being given access to edibles and maybe are only occasional or first time smoker/users.

This is not about the two events recently in the news that supposedly involved edibles. My concern is a possible event and the backlash in the news resulting from an incident, lets say, from a tourist ingesting an over dose and the high profile news story as a result. Could be just a trip to the ER or maybe they are at DIA for a flight home and want to get rid of a purchase before security. About half way thru the flight the gummy bears start to really kick in and the flight is diverted and passenger is taken to the ER and news media has a field day. Think about the liabilities that the seller might face. Are edibles really worth the bad PR at this point in time?

I think it's just a matter of time before the FDA steps in and sets regulations. Is it not enough to at last have cannabis legal for growing/smoking without pushing the envelope. Unless your using edibles for medical purposes, I really don't understand why anyone wants them anyway? It's a annoying high and goes on what seems like forever.

If i'm wrong about this, someone please explain

KS


You have some good points and I feel similarly as you do about edibles. I think what it will always boil down to though is the almighty dollar.

I've been there with tinctures for sure.

40 years ago, I lived in a large house with a group of other stoners, made a batch of brownies that freaked out several, not knowing what I was doing. We were all acid heads as well, hooked up with a regular supply of window panes. The brownies incident was the only time anybody freaked out badly.

Edibles, I believe, are part of A64, therefore constitutionally protected in CO, so we'll always have 'em as long as shops are willing to sell 'em & the Feds are willing to let us do our thing in peace.

That last part is what concerns me. I don't like anything that gives the naysayers any ammunition.

 

[sourpuss]

Yeah u can bet certain people who run the underground pot trade r interested in keeping it illegal. They control certain media and will start the backlash.

Basic principles of money. Drug bosses see profits falling due to legalization and personal growers. They will grease the media to brainwash the people. Grease the politicians. Id do the same if I was the drug boss.

I think it will b interesting to see who backs legal cannabis anf who is backed by the drug lords its pretty obvious to me, I see straight thru bullshit. Always have. Keeps me alive...

 

[BOMBAYCAT]

I wonder if warning label, embossing edibles, or certain colors will help the problem at all. According to the Post, the rec shop warned the people (college student who fell to his death) that they needed to cut the cookie into parts and only eat one part at one time. The kid didn't follow instructions and fell to his death. It looks like a certain percent of users will ignore any sort of warning. I see slight signs the old drug warriors are using this problem to try and regain what they already have lost.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

the guys who make booze put a lame ass warning label on the bottle and say things like "enjoy responsibly" and it is enough for the media and politicians to leave them alone. i wish i was actually able to believe that herb would be treated the same way but i'm not that stoned.

it is tragic that bad things happen to some people when they eat edibles, but the fact that these people become poster children for for the media to blow shit out of proportion is a fucking travesty ......... stupid shit happens and new laws and regulations won't change that

 

[Jhhnn]

I wonder if warning label, embossing edibles, or certain colors will help the problem at all. According to the Post, the rec shop warned the people (college student who fell to his death) that they needed to cut the cookie into parts and only eat one part at one time. The kid didn't follow instructions and fell to his death. It looks like a certain percent of users will ignore any sort of warning. I see slight signs the old drug warriors are using this problem to try and regain what they already have lost.

That's pretty much true, but attempts to limit potency, allow only single serving sizes & provide proper labeling are in support of legalization, not against it. If that can reduce the number of people making mistakes & poor choices, there's no reason for us to oppose it.

If the serving size & potency are determined by the packaging with clear labeling & instructions, then providers will have done all that they reasonably can to prevent such incidents. That's as good a place to be as we'll find, I think. It largely lets retailers off the hook, as well, denying a lot of he said/ she said scenarios. Only illiterates can claim they weren't told.

 

[SooperSmurph]

In my mind, it's an overblown load of crap.

If a man gets drunk and shoots his family, they don't bring back alcohol prohibition, they prosecute his drunk ass and hopefully hang him.

A man did drugs and committed a crime, prosecute him and move on, treat him until he realizes the horror of his crime, then let the victim's family have him, that's one Muslim tradition i've always agreed with, if that's a bit much, the gas chamber can be his final high.

 

[MJPassion]

Single serving packaging would eliminate the excuse "I didn't know"...

When I make cookies and share I always tell peeps to start with half of a cookie. Maybe I should follow my own suggestion and start making my cookies half strength.


I've seen a 150lb Rotweiler sleep for 3 days after eating the left over trim after squeezing as much budder as we could from it. It was well over 1/4 lb of sugar trim. The same weekend another dog ate the left over burnt stuff from brownies made in the dutch oven. That dog was very energetic black lab pup about 8-10 months old. She stumbled around for 2 days.

 

[DRorganic]

I hate it when people blame MJ for being nuts.whether you took pain pills or MJ or alcohol
If you are craze you are crazy . And you are just a stone or drunk person. You are just a crazy
Ass that happens to be stoned or drunk. He was just a crazy person how happens to be stoned. The pot did not make him crazy. You might as well blame the coffee he drank that morning.

 

[paper thorn]

Of course the single serving packaging may be understood by some to mean, "Cool, I need to buy 5 packs!"

I've been concerned that edibles would get us in trouble because of people's kids getting into them, or just novices who do more than they can handle.

Recently there was a female reporter/editorial type writer(can't remember her name now) that went to CO and got a candy bar and had a bad experience because it was a 10 serving bar and she ate half of it. Claimed they did not tell her and it was not marked on the package.

Now, that's wrong to not inform folks. Especially in a retail environment where any lightweight can come in and score edibles. We're seasoned potheads and know what's up and forget that everyone else isn't.

Guy brings me a cookie the other day. Says it's really strong. I'm a seasoned old hippy pothead, so I chow that whole baby down.

2 hours later, I'm trying to hold my head off of the table, mumbling about how these things should be illegal. Holy Cow!!! I was fried to a crackly crunch.

 

[Gry]

One can well imagine what the hill and knowlton types will do ...