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[NKOTS]

wg, i am not sure if you mean 'when i enter the grow room then the air is sucked through unlocked door into the growroom'

if so then you got negative pressure which is good and i back lyryc on this one.


here is a good post about pressure:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2165257&postcount=9

^ the whole thread is worth a read in fact, but it is quite technical.
answers your concerns about dead air zones too

yeah, no pics so it doesn't count!

 

[growbig789]

bb x c99 f2 yah it appears to have some long/stretchy branches that will probably need some support in flower.. thats a c99 trait for sure, when you going to flower that one? sounds like you got the neg pressure thing going on, keeps my garage odor free and guests/family with no idea that behind those innocent looking corner cabinets is a whole lotta dank

 

[wildgrow]

Thanks guys. I always figured it was better to suck in at the seams rather than out where smells would go everywhere. I meant the closed, unlocked door would swing into the room if it were ill fitted. Thanks for the link.

My plan is to up pot her today and get her into the flower room. 4 stakes in the pot to tie her out spread eagle and control flopping.

Clipped on the fan to blow across the back wall and into the corner that no plant enjoys. New fan is in and Im going to aim the room intake to blow towards the clip on - try to direct more fresh air in that direction.

PC #1 is starting to bud! I think she'll procuce golf ball nugs - too much internodal spacing for colas.

Ill grab a couple shots tonight. Yesterday was super busy. Potted all the clones, put the inline valve on the burner, trimmed 1 of the BMs, hung that fan and postulated about how to proceed. 2nd 1000 ballast should be in today so I can finally get the room prettied up and cleaned. Right now I could have a tragic accidental hanging in there with all ther cords strung this way and that.

I might have a pic of SLH x MM - let me check... Nope, they were all blurry.

 

[LyryC]

u and these blurry pics.

Im giving you my camera when I get a new one cause you are one hell of a tease!

Can't wait to see the new gear in action and you happy my friend

 

[wildgrow]

So Mr is looking into a warehouse and P has already secured a spot if/when that happens. Don't know where that will leave me... and I don't care. Ill just rock the plantry again.

Root aphids... they suck. Hit everything safe to hit with nuclear force - triazicide. Sprayed down the entire plantry. More careful in bloom, sprayed that down with extra strength neem. A deterrent at best, but Im not ready to throw the towel in. If I were, Id totally pull out of the partnership. After 3 days, no visible bug activity. Not even deep in the pot that held BB x C99. Held - because it duped me. The tiny, slender preflowers choked up and became balls. Gah! 9 plants in the trash. I did save 1 - still going to breed it to another blue.

All 5 StrwDs are up and getting the 400. Nothing to show as they are way off to the side. Looks like 3 more BS 2.2 girls. What to pop next? Maybe some Mr A/SaH Vitality offerings and LC x MM, possibly MM f2s..? The mysterious SSSC Lot M69 f2s?

Bout time I start thinking about whats going outdoors this year. SLH, B #4... Not putting unproven plants in the dirt this year. Gonna amend the holes I used last year - couple more years and those holes will have some kick ass organic soil. Ill expand them again when I can get out there and turn the soil. Then amend, mix and let cook for a few.

 

[wildgrow]

BS 2.2 #1 - Daaaaamn is she slow! About 4 months since pop and still under 2' tall. Wont bother to trim her anymore.

PC #1 - Believe it or not, she looked 10x worse a few days ago.

SLH x MM

PC #2 is starting to set bud. B #4 (sour pine pheno) is going in next weekend - got her running again real quick. The other SLH x MM looks like shit and SLH is only marginally better.

Still have a ton of work to finish 'the upgrade' - ill get to it whenever - don't see why I should have to hurry.

Cut another 20 clones. Ive figured that to keep 2 each of the 3 keepers flowering that I need to have 5-6 of each in various stages of veg. Cutting, rooted and initial planting, small, medium and large around 4 weeks apart. And that's just 1 strain. I have to do the same for the others, but offset from each other. That's 1/2 of flower for the keepers and 1/2 for the hunt.

 

[Gelado`]

1/2 flower 1/2 hunt is what I'm doing too, but on a much smaller scale for personal smoke! lol. I have an entire four clones!

 

[wildgrow]

I think a lot of us smaller scale growers without cut access are doing the same. Don't really see any other way to do it with 1 bud space.

Personally, I burn a fair amount of flowers. 5-7 grams/day on average.

 

[Gelado`]

True--I've thought about a veg tent, but nah, my existing grow keeps me busy enough!

5-7 g a day is a ton! You don't need CO2 enrichment, just blow your smoke into your room through an intake filter.

 

[LyryC]

I can't wait ot see how SLHxMM #2 does in the Scrog.

I could of easily grown her in the screen alone. Shes being a bitch and pushing over the Night Terror OG for screen space but I smacked that hoe n put her in her place

out of my 6 SLHxMM seedlings - I got 4 males and 2 girls - girls in flower right now and i won't be cloning them - but they'll indicate the characteristics that will be shared and also show anything new or different.

I'm going to save the pollen off the dudes and make F2s or w/e you call it for fun / myself.

More like learning/ practice.

Sorry to hear about the aphids man... RA seem to haunt you

All looks good tho - and I hope the future is bright for you.

 

[wildgrow]

I really do think I killed them off the 1st time. They showed up en masse 2-3 weeks after mixing up a new batch of medium. Hmmmm?

Ya man! Your girl is a beast and healthy as hell. Gonna be a good yield. F2 is where youll find more differences.

 

[LyryC]

Medium is potentially the source - you never know these days where stuff has been, how long, yada yada - so just maybe.

oh yeah shes the best plant out of the bunch no doubt!

 

[wildgrow]

That's what I was thinking. I believe it was stored outdoors until winter hit then brought in. Im ready to try reusable medium and different nutes - and a vert donut, buuut...

Ill never partner up again.

 

[wildgrow]

Co2 has been off for a few days and things are looking better. The issues have stopped or at least aren't advancing nearly as quickly as before. Part of that was shutting exhaust down so all the co2 didn't get sucked out immediately. No co2 + full time exhaust = healthier plants

I tell P and he says 'Good. Now start slamming them.' Me - ' No! Now I start adding things back in slowly. If we slam them, we lose them.'

When theyre looking 100% again and temps go up, Ill reintroduce co2. If the issue returns, then P can stick the propane burner up his ass.

Now I want to finish the work in there - not so disheartening. I have a better idea of what I think the setup has to be for the pit. 2 room exhausts - 6 in for when the co2 isnt running and a little 4 for when it is. That way I can ensure that the air exchange never stops.

 

[Gelado`]

Could you could cycle in the CO2? Like four hours on, four off (fans on), four on, then fans on at lights out?

Definitely RAs from your medium; I keep getting fungus gnats from my seed starting mix. I've switched to coco for germination and I water in hydrogen peroxide before I sow seeds in it. I'm back to 100% germination!

 

[wildgrow]

I had it running 10 min on/ 50 min off. Ppms would rise to the 1600 range and drop down to 900 or so. Exhaust turned off shortly after the burner came on - used the exhaust to pull the co2 across the room in conjunction with an oscillating fan. The exhaust would stay off until 10-15 min after the burner shut off.

H2o2 is something on my list, but P doesn't go for home remedies unless someone else (not me) can back it up. However, the only person he talks to about growing is Mr., and he only uses 'the cadillac' of whatever. Example, he brought over some Supernatural Green Stay, its a foliar. I say Im not going to spray shit on my flowers - he says, I do it all the time. Again, Ive never seen any of his 'best bud in town' but I have heard that his plants get super leafy - like you can barely see the bud leafy. Their website has 0 information except to say its cal/mag and iron. Im really hesitant to treat symptoms over diagnosing the problem.

I don't think that is/was the only problem. Its possible that I could have had a case of pythium. Still reading up but I read a few posts about it recently and seems plausible. Wont know the actual likeliness until I can pull a couple of root balls.

Another possibility is mag lockout due to elevated potassium levels. Again, I cant be sure. To address this, Ive cut out all the bloom boosters and silica - its derived from potassium silicate. Ive also increased supplemental cal/mag from 2 ml to 4 ml.

It may be hard to tell what the main culprit is because spring is finally here. Night temps are stable in the low 60s and rh is back in the 40-50% zone.

I might have to flush my soil at up pot too. The sphagnum is finer than usual and could be clumping and in turn choking out roots at the bottom of the pot. Might add something chunky to the bottom inch or so of the pots too, just to ensure that its not getting muddy. I was thinking clay pellets or even a nonporous element like marbles or those smooth decorative pebbles.

It would be nice if the problems went away on their own, then Id know that the winter environment in the room is to blame to some degree.

Im thinking of jumping if things don't turn around dramatically over the course of the month.

 

[Gelado`]

H2O2 won't work for RAs, just gnats. It might work for the pythium though. If you're using diatomaceous earth you still have tons of silica in your medium, so no need for bottled silica.

Yikes...spraying stuff on flowers Glad I grow my own again and know what's going into (and on) the buds I ignite and inhale...

Flushing might be a good idea if your K is too high. I'm going to do that every few months because of the ol' high K in coco thing, and I'm avoiding sources of potassium.

If you use pebbles, they need a good wash and then a soak in pHed water or they can cause crazy swings. There's no more official Hydroton on the market...just crappy clay pebbles...and they need washing and pHing or they can cause serious issues later.

Upping my Mg has meant my red stems have mostly disappeared...hopefully this will stop the mid-flower brownout I've been experiencing.

Good luck!

 

[wildgrow]

I was thinking of h2o2 as more of a root wash/oxygenator than bug control - but 1 more potential bug issue diminished sounds good to me too.

I don't really know how available the silica in the DE is to the plants. Any idea? I don't see the thick stems I see when adding silica.

Good to hear about the mag G. I hoped that my plan to drop the silica and other sources of high potassium while increasing cal/mag sounded like a solid enough course of action. All I get here at home is 'add more, more, more'. I want to use less. I have noticed that my stems have been getting a darker red sooner and more extensively in a few plants.

One more thing, anybody check out Botanicaires Growilla? Apparently its been around for years but was only available in NorCal farm stores - according to Bs website. Its just been made available nationwide this month. They say to sprinkle a 1/2 cup every 10-14 days on your soil and water in. Theres 1 formulation for veg and 1 for flower. All the macro and micro nutrients are claimed to be balanced in each for the stage of plant life. I think I want to try it.

 

[Gelado`]

That's a good point re: availability of silica in DE. People eat the food grade stuff for silica, but it may require breaking down by the digestive tract to become bioavailable to humans. My tap water has more silica than magnesium..go figure!

Dark red stems can be an indicator of Mg deficiency, which is why I'm looking to have the red disappear like with Clear Eyes

Your partner sounds like a slavedriver. lol. He's all about the yield without any real knowledge of what the plants need and more importantly, don't need. If you're having trouble, I guess it's expected that he'd be off track.

That Growilla sounds good...not sure how it would compare to the dry organic fertilizers I buy through my source! Next run I'm going completely bottle-free and only using dry amendments.

 

[wildgrow]

They claim its 80% organically derived - whatever that really means.

Hes never grown indoors. And when he grew outdoors years ago, he had help. He gets his info from Mr and retail websites. Let me point out also that Mr grows hydro. But that doesn't stop P from saying he 'knows'.

I just want to simplify. A couple bottles of supplements isn't a big deal to me. Adding more and more shit to balance the other shit is. Its like taking a drug to counteract the side effects of another drug to counteract the side effects of another drug... That becomes a vicious circle that's harder and harder to balance.

Hes just gotta let me get the room components synchronized and the plants jiving to it. Then I can mess with the co2.