Sap thats as good as shatter?

[icdog]

Is it possible to make bho that is sappy or runny and has the same properties and is as fully purged as shatter?
I am finding many people don't like handling shatter and would prefer a liquid.

 

[MEMED]

leave the starting material in a hotter, drier area for a couple weeks, and when you purge,- take it like 5 10 degrees hotter. in other words, activate it abit more. Just a bit should give you stable sap.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Decarboxylating produces a softer sappier extract, which is still potent.

 

[JointOperation]

does decarbing change the high from the oil? this is something im curious about . i hear u get a more sleepy couchlock narcotic high from decarbed... basicly.. i rather shatter or some fully purged wax.. not that honey comb made from scraping extract to early and ploping on parchment and calling it honey comb... but i do have bout 6 grams of oil that i wana make into cannabis capsules. i already have some really potent vegetable oil. like 100mls that i put into gel caps and eat.. instead of eating edibles.. its just easier.. wats the best thing to mix decarbed oil with to ingest in capsule form?

 

[Sirdabsalot46n2]

Organic Coconut Oil^

 

[SkyHighLer]

Is it possible to make bho that is sappy or runny and has the same properties and is as fully purged as shatter?
I am finding many people don't like handling shatter and would prefer a liquid.

Nine times out of ten when running mid shelf nuggs from SoCal MMJ dispensaries I get very thick sap, with top shelf I get hard shatter. I assume this is due to freshness, top shelf being fresh local indoor, mid being aging indoor and outdoor. The only runny sap I've produced came from some Gold Dream that looked to be NorCal outdoor that they had to let flower on and on, to the point of becoming infected with mold.

 

[icdog]

Whats weird is so far I can easily get shatter from old material that was basically burnt, its reasonably good shatter as well. When I run top material it waxes, drives me nuts.

Anyway can I somehow get sap without debarb'ing it?

 

[Gray Wolf]

does decarbing change the high from the oil? this is something im curious about . i hear u get a more sleepy couchlock narcotic high from decarbed... basicly.. i rather shatter or some fully purged wax.. not that honey comb made from scraping extract to early and ploping on parchment and calling it honey comb... but i do have bout 6 grams of oil that i wana make into cannabis capsules. i already have some really potent vegetable oil. like 100mls that i put into gel caps and eat.. instead of eating edibles.. its just easier.. wats the best thing to mix decarbed oil with to ingest in capsule form?

It isn't the decarbing per se, but the same heat that decarbs, can also convert some of the THC to CBN, which is a sedative.

For maximum head effect, I only decarb to 70%, which maximizes THC, and for maximum sedative effects, I fully decarboxylate.

Here is a graph, compliments of Jump 117, showing the time and temperature curves. The peak of the curves are at about 70%.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Whats weird is so far I can easily get shatter from old material that was basically burnt, its reasonably good shatter as well. When I run top material it waxes, drives me nuts.

Anyway can I somehow get sap without debarb'ing it?

Old dry material doesn't have as much moisture to contribute to making hydrates out of the oil and wax.

You might try adding a small amount of solvent like ethanol. It is the "sweet" flavor that some of the oooold honey oil aficionados learned to love and respect in the hoary days of yore.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

If you can find a way to leave more terpenes in, the result is less solid, if you heat it, be careful to not lose even more terpenes.
-SamS

 

[SooperSmurph]

In my experience, product which has been "dewaxed" is almost always more oily than it would have been if it had turned to shatter during its first run, just an anecdotal observation, I don't blast myself.

 

[cyphaman]

I believe all sap to be superior to shatter, in my opinion.

Unless the consistency (sap) is due to the age of the material, as noted.

With fresh nugs the consistency I end up with is almost always shatter, the 2 exceptions so far include Lemon Kush, and Trainwreck. Im new to this..These were lovely pull n snap sap, with such strong aromas even after purging until non reactive. These would react under 98F making them a delight to purge with, and retaining terpenes..fuggetaboutit

Not nearly as stable though, but imo more enjoyable to smoke and look at. I find shatter if made from fresh frosty material, still has great taste and terp profile, but the heat used to allow for this viscous oil to degas properly, is what (i think) makes them less tasty, requires temps of 110-116F.

 

[JointOperation]

i been finding that the more terpenes the less likely it is a shatter glass.. but more of a pull apart taffy shatter at lower temps..

some of the tastiest oil has been softer.. and some of the worst oil was really soft and sticky

i dont think consistency can prove potency.. i pulled some stuff early that hermied.. about 2-3 weeks before it was done.. and the stuff came out like glass.. and was very light in color.. and the potency wasnt there.. but because of the way it looked. EVERYONE WHO got a choice between the lighter stuff and the darker stuff... chose the lighter stuff.. but then after trying both .. picked the darker stuff.

 

[cyphaman]

Its true how often the darker shades or red, gold, maroon etc are often judged before tasted. Its all in the smell taste and high. Consistency and color are just something I think everyone has their own preference on, but not much of an indicator beyond that imo.

I appreciate all colors as long as they are bright and vivid.