Silver said he shouldn't start such a thread since scarce shall time soon seem.

[silver hawaiian]

Compacted - that's a thought. ..one I had for a fleeting moment when I put these containers away, .. And then not again until now.

Long story short, I had to stash/hide everything for a short bit. During that time, I tossed the 20 gal container (full) into a corner, threw a 7 gal on top of it, another 7 on top of that, and I think a 5 on top of it all.

It's very possible that the medium could've settled/compacted some during that time. (This is why I had the thought as I was preparing to throw 'em all atop one another in the corner - <-- That's the reason it was just a fleeting thought)

The dirt in the small container the SWT is in was loose in a bucket prior to this application, .. It's funny, though, because as I was scooping it out of the bucket and into the container before I moved the SWT, I had this thought: "? Really? This seems like it needs some fluffery goin' on, some stones or perlite or something..? I used this? Hmm. Must've, it's in this here bucket!" *scoop*

Anyway - that might be something, good shot LyryC.

So back to that - compactednessage. That's feasible. But would that explain what seems to be a handful of different symptoms..?



Edit: To answer your question, moving them is possible, just a major major drag/pain in the ass/mess/production/..

But if the question is, will I do it so I have me some sweet sweet cannabis?

Yes.

I'm open to it too (might could even make time for it this weekend) .. But again, is that all we think we have goin' on here?

 

[canna woop!]

Hey bro Silver Hawaiin! I'd like to look closer at what's going on in this garden I gotta run now though. Will check back later. I am sure they will pull through great and look forward to learning from your experience. Those buds look delicious, maybe in a turkey pot roast stew? I love that stuff. Best wishes. Woop

 

[bobblehead]

Lighting was just inadequate for a time - no wonkiness. Overwatered, .. ? If anything, the Nightmare's troubles seemed to start around the time I transplanted her, at which point I don't think I sufficiently watered'er in.

..Rarely watering to runoff.. ?

Temps between 73-79?

Not bad ideas, but let's keep kicking the tires please

Inadequate light is sufficient to cause that reveg growth you're seeing. See what I did there? Inadequate- sufficient.... haha....

how's the humidity?

 

[silver hawaiian]

Hey bro Silver Hawaiin! I'd like to look closer at what's going on in this garden I gotta run now though. Will check back later. I am sure they will pull through great and look forward to learning from your experience. Those buds look delicious, maybe in a turkey pot roast stew? I love that stuff. Best wishes. Woop

hey canna, glad to se ya! Come back soon

Inadequate light is sufficient to cause that reveg growth you're seeing. See what I did there? Inadequate- sufficient.... haha....

how's the humidity?

Semantics are a mofo

I'm with you - the lousy light probably made'r freak and forget wtf she's put on god's green earth (and more specifically, in my fuckin' possession) to do. The rest'a the gang, though, I don't have my finger on just yet.

Just went and did some fingerbangin' of the serl. Didn't feel overly dense/packed, but I was a little surprised at how relatively cold it was just a couple inches beneath the surface. Not something I've ever paid attention to before, so I've got no baseline, but it was interesting I thought. Ambient temps are 73-79.

RH is about 30% - sad face. Unfortunately no real prospect of being able to do anything meaningful about it besides wait for the frickin' season. (Aaaaaaany minute)

If it weren't herb I'm growing, I'd be able to remember if I have this issue every winter

 

[bobblehead]

Lol want your fogger back? That's your problem guaranteed.

 

[silver hawaiian]

Hot damn! I thought it was in use/died/didn't give it much thought!

... Now that I think about it, .. I think this might've been about the time last year I got the fogger & humidistat gimmick.. ?

That's hilarious..

Good call dude - lemme chew on it. Space is already at a premium, ..

 

[Shoots]

Eh Braddah silver!

I know you know what your doing and will figure out whatever it is that's plaguing the garden. I just thought I would throw it out there though since I just had to deal with them myself. I had root aphids pretty bad and I had tons of leaf drop on mine with similar looking symptoms. Phantom deficiency kept me playing nurse for a while until I realized what my problem was. It really had me scratching my head too.

hope you sort it soon. It makes me want to throw in the towel when they start looking bad. I feel your gloat on dis one.

Shoots,

Shoots lol

 

[silver hawaiian]

Hey shoots! The critter thing did cross my brain, but my gut's telling me that's not it..

I'm also not entirely convinced that the problem is solely related to the lack of humidity. While the humidity is less than ideal, I'm a little leery to attribute all of my problems to that, as not all of the plants seem to be having the same symptoms.

Nightmare is generally yellowed and has some necrosis on the newer growth, the SWT is having this funky chlorosis thing going on, ..

More tires, more kickin' please, peanut gallery

 

[budman678]

I'm no expert.

But a nice ammended soil with plenty of space, adequate air flow and plenty of light and all should be well

Also, a good friend of mine told me that my rootball was cold. I bought some insulation board from Home Depot and my plants sit on that off the cold ground. That made all the difference in the world. So, if your shit is on the cold concrete floor, get em off and onto something that doesn't fluctuate temps. I know we have all had cold winters

 

[whythefnot]

They sure look like mine did before I put a fogger in! Don't let 'em stay dry too long or you'll develop pythium like I did, and if you flower too soon, it may never completely go away, no matter how many beneficial teas you use! Really cut into my yield last time. Also, different strains showed different symptoms for me, just like yours are doing. That deep red stem is a big red flag for me. Mine, even now, will start showing symptoms at about 45% humidity. FML.

 

[bobblehead]

I'll take a pic of my nd exposed to low humidity sometime this weekend... let me know what you think.

 

[silver hawaiian]

Hey all - I appreciate the input! Lemme think out loud for a minute:

I'm no expert.

But a nice ammended soil with plenty of space, adequate air flow and plenty of light and all should be well

Also, a good friend of mine told me that my rootball was cold. I bought some insulation board from Home Depot and my plants sit on that off the cold ground. That made all the difference in the world. So, if your shit is on the cold concrete floor, get em off and onto something that doesn't fluctuate temps. I know we have all had cold winters

Not a bad idea in general, but I just finished a [personal best] crop through whatever mega vortex polar bear city winter we had -- with no issues (unless purplish Nightmare is an issue), .. ? But cold - we'll come back to that, brain.

They sure look like mine did before I put a fogger in! Don't let 'em stay dry too long or you'll develop pythium like I did, and if you flower too soon, it may never completely go away, no matter how many beneficial teas you use! Really cut into my yield last time. Also, different strains showed different symptoms for me, just like yours are doing. That deep red stem is a big red flag for me. Mine, even now, will start showing symptoms at about 45% humidity. FML.

Ahhh, now we're on to something. I need to go do more reading about pythium - I didn't realize there was a humidity component to it taking hold?

This tickles my brain (and gut) because when I tossed the GSC, I even described it to someone as what I'm reading about pythium now - gnarly, weak, stringy roots, kinda slimy/sloppy/sludgy in general, .. (She was in a party cup). And come to think of it, the symptoms on the vegetation that I couldn't ever seem to correct (that led me to toss the bitch) really jive with what I'm looking at now in my digging in re: pythium.

The Nightmare (vegetation, anyway) seems to jive with what I'm seeing as pythium symptoms - but the others aren't so clear to me? Though I think I did read somewhere that pythium can lead to a phosphorus deficiency..?

I'll take a pic of my nd exposed to low humidity sometime this weekend... let me know what you think.

Please do share - and I'm curious, did you snap her out of it with the higher humidity? Did you get a chance to look at the roots at all? I'm curious if your visually-similar symptoms, that you'd observed due to low RH, might have been pythium brought on/allowed to set in during the low RH?

Also, it's worth mentioning - you'll see on the SWT there is some stippling on the leaves. Mite damage. A couple (three?) weeks back, I used a bomb/azamax/bomb/azamax/bomb/azamax regimen. It seems to have taken care of the mites (that is, I don't see any more eggs or creepers, and definitely no webs - there weren't ever webs that I saw before I addressed the issue). Anyway, that's not an impossibility - but my gut is telling me it's in the medium/roots.

Back to what I think a bunch of y'all kinda touched on, the bottom half or third of the containers aren't "cold" to the touch (think: ), but they're definitely.. Kind of, .. Mmm. Clammy? And damp. * Edit - upon reinspection, I retract the damp part. Clammy is more accurate.

During more fingerbangin' today, I'm still not able to turn up any critters in the soil (besides springtails by the zillions). I've dealt with some kinda funky parasitic nematode in the soil, but again, I can't get a visual on anything when I root around now..?

Anyway - thanks again for all the brainstormin' (Norman). We'll get'er licked, but as it is now, I'm off to read s'more..

 

[silver hawaiian]

Also

For a week or two now, my gut has been telling me to water in a shot of peroxide and see what happens.

Sort of against the granola-eating ethos of some, but not this dirtbag. Anyway. Just thoughts. Still reading. First education, then action.

 

[calientecarlos]

Meow just what the fogger you doing up in here meow hermano de plata??? If you shake it more than twice you're...

 

[silver hawaiian]

Speaking of, it's common for me to just start checkin' for sores at 60 mph after I take a leak.

Especially in public!

 

[DabOnDabs]

YEA. Foggers. Solution to all of lifes problems

I used to suck at growing. And then I got a fogger.

 

[calientecarlos]

Let it Heal!!! Put some aloe n penicillin in your fogger if they get too bad cheesedick!!

 

[silver hawaiian]

Buncha fart smellers, someayas

Over watered and maybe cold... I think you said the lighting was goofy. .. Fix all that stuff first.

^this

Also man - if your soil is compacted and like clay- not in water retention but in the fact that the soil particles are so densely packed together - its actually very difficult for the roots to move/breathe.

Is un earthing these bitches and giving them all new medium a possibility?

Apparently the blumats have fucked up my gimmick control, as my hand water skillzzzz need some calibration

I think I was trying to lerv everyone toooooo much. My standard go-to for watering is the "pick up this container, is it heavy as fudge, light, or somewhere in between?" move. I think I was aiming for blumat-style heft in the container each time, vs. letting it cycle a little more.

Everybody's last drink was last Friday - and they've been steadily looking better since then, .. I hit 'em with some Great White tonight, fingering if I got anywhere close to rot down there, the beneficials oughtta snack on that shit and TCB.

Lighting was just inadequate for a time - no wonkiness. Overwatered, .. ? If anything, the Nightmare's troubles seemed to start around the time I transplanted her, at which point I don't think I sufficiently watered'er in.

budman had this gem to offer: But a nice ammended soil with plenty of space, adequate air flow and plenty of light and all should be well

..which jived zacklee with what I was thinking -- "Same medium, same environmental conditions, WHAT THE FARK"

To the "more humidity!" crowd, no doubt that would be ideal -- but I'm fairly certain it's not what's responsible for the funk I'm coming out of. Whysat? Because, well, what's changed? Environment - same. Medium - same. Watering frequency - drunk.

..Rarely watering to runoff.. ?

Temps between 73-79?

Not bad ideas, but let's keep kicking the tires please

..this is true (I rarely watered to runoff, but apparently kept the fuckers steadily soggy), .. This is also what pride looks like manifested with a keyboard and the english alphabet

Been gardening since I was a kid with mom, on my own for years as an ad-ult now, plenty of potted plants and in the garden, handful'a years growing the ganj..

And I'm just now learning wtf an overwatered plant acts & looks like..



I think what I meant to say is

 

[bobblehead]

Mmmmm.... nope, let's keep kicking the tires. .. lol

 

[silver hawaiian]

Mmmmm.... nope, let's keep kicking the tires. .. lol

Lol want your fogger back? That's your problem guaranteed.