Cannabis oil?

[Garhart]

Communication between people ...
That pdf displayed in a combination of bold and regular that makes if very difficult to read, I was able to get around it with a cut and paste into a word doc. Anyone else have that happen?

What I think may be a bit of concern here is that what is being concentrated are the very sorts of substances that people with concerns with cancer would want to stay away from.

 

[relic1981]

sam says "I am refering to getting high, but that said I would not want to give medical advice I just do not know the answer. Terpenes of the right kind do make THC stronger as well as modifying the effects, that is where almost all the different effects in Cannabis come from, terpenes. From up, speedy, clear, psychedelic, to narcotic and couchlock, it is the terpenes modifying the THC."
-SamS

you said that you use pure, or 100%, thc and add terpines and then vape it. also that thc is way stronger than thca so do you decarb your oil or extract or let it decarb when you vape it?

what kind of terps are you using and what effects do you correlate wth them. im also curious to what method you are using to get that 100% thc and what form it is in. (wax, shatter, oil?) and also how one could simply add terps to concentrates for anecdotal testing. wouldnt the natural terps from the extraction material be superior to lab manufactured terps added in afterwords? did you use the same methods as in the article you posted?

how do you feel about the other cannibinoids effecting the high type such as thcv and cbd among others? it is interesting that the terps not only contribute to the type of high but may have medicinal qualities themselves that work in synergy with cannabinoids. theres no question that cannabis that is high in terps is stronger than cannabis that is bland and has little flavor, no matter what the potency is. i feel cannabis (the flowers) and to a lesser extent, high purity extracts, can provide so many combinations of flavor profiles it really enables the users, whether intentionally medicinal or not, to be able to find the perfect strain for them, or the right terp profile for them combined with the cannabinoids. i really do think that the cannaabinoid profile effects the type of high as well as the terp profile. it really seems the science and literature on the subjects suggest they work in synergy. ie. sativas and indicas give a way different "high" not only because their terp profile is different but their cannabinoid profile is different as well. this also explains why during the harvest window the terp profile remains very similar but the cannabinoid profile and the high type changes with the maturity of the trichomes.

i have said this before and will say it again and that is that there are some strains and concentrates i would smoke or vape even if there was no psychoactive or physiological effects. some strains are just that tasty. it just happens that we are blessed with a plant that does have psychoactive effects as well as the medicinal benefits and that's what makes it such a good plant species.

i do not have any experience into using concentrates with added terps but the idea really intrigues me. i do however have alot of experience with using concentrates/ extracts and their organic cannabis terps. i would love to do some experimenting with the added terps as long as they are organic.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

sam says "I am refering to getting high, but that said I would not want to give medical advice I just do not know the answer. Terpenes of the right kind do make THC stronger as well as modifying the effects, that is where almost all the different effects in Cannabis come from, terpenes. From up, speedy, clear, psychedelic, to narcotic and couchlock, it is the terpenes modifying the THC."
-SamS

you said that you use pure, or 100%, thc and add terpines and then vape it. also that thc is way stronger than thca so do you decarb your oil or extract or let it decarb when you vape it?

I MEANT THAT THC IS STRONGER THEN THCA TAKEN ORALLY.
I LET IT DECARB WHEN VAPED.

what kind of terps are you using and what effects do you correlate wth them.

I HAVE ALREADY POSTED THIS INFO.

im also curious to what method you are using to get that 100% thc and what form it is in.

I LIVE IN EUROPE WHERE YOU CAN EASILY ORDER ALL THE CANNABINOIDS EXCEPT FOR THC, AND THC IF YOU HAVE A LICENSE OR PERMISSION TO POSSESS IT. I BOUGHT IT.
IT WAS A CLEAR, ODORLESS, TASTELESS, THICK STICKY GOO THAT TURNED VIOLET WHEN EXPOSED TO THE AIR, AND EVENTUALLY TURNED REDISH.

(wax, shatter, oil?) and also how one could simply add terps to concentrates for anecdotal testing. wouldnt the natural terps from the extraction material be superior to lab manufactured terps added in afterwords?

IS 100% PURE VITAMIN C ANY DIFFERENT IF MADE IN A CHEMICAL FACTORY OR FROM THE ORANGE? NO IT IS NOT. IS PURE THC THE SAME IF MADE FROM THE PLANT OR FROM OTHER SOURCES? YES IT IS. THE SAME WITH TERPENES, IF FROM THE PLANT OR FROM OTHER SOURCES, IF PURE THEY ARE THE SAME.

did you use the same methods as in the article you posted?

NO, I HAVE LISTED MANY TIMES THE PROTOCOL I USED, LOOK IT UP.


how do you feel about the other cannibinoids effecting the high type such as thcv and cbd among others?


IN THE CANNABIS IN THE WEST YOU DO NOT FIND MUCH BESIDES THC, CBD'S EFFECTS ARE WELL KNOWN, THEY DELAY ONSET OF THC, THEY REDUCE PEAK EXPERIENCE OF THC, AND THEY MAKE THE EFFECTS LAST LONGER. THCV IS SIMILAR TO CBD, NONE OF THE OTHER CANNABINOIDS AFFECT THE HIGH BESIDES CBN, WHICH IS SLEEPY, CLOUDY, NOT CLEAR, PHYSICAL, IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE HIGH FROM THC.

it is interesting that the terps not only contribute to the type of high but may have medicinal qualities themselves that work in synergy with cannabinoids. theres no question that cannabis that is high in terps is stronger than cannabis that is bland and has little flavor, no matter what the potency is. i feel cannabis (the flowers) and to a lesser extent, high purity extracts, can provide so many combinations of flavor profiles it really enables the users, whether intentionally medicinal or not, to be able to find the perfect strain for them, or the right terp profile for them combined with the cannabinoids. i really do think that the cannaabinoid profile effects the type of high as well as the terp profile.

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FINDING ALL THAT CANNABIS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT CANNABINOIDS?

it really seems the science and literature on the subjects suggest they work in synergy. ie. sativas and indicas give a way different "high" not only because their terp profile is different but their cannabinoid profile is different as well.

SOUNDS GOOD EXCEPT IF YOU FIND A INDICA (WLD) WITH ONLY THC SAY 10%, NO OTHER CANNABINOIDS, AND FIND A SATIVA (NLD) WITH ONLY THC SAY 10% WITH NO OTHER CANNABINOIDS. YOU STILL GET ALL THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WLD AND NLD, WHY IS THAT?

this also explains why during the harvest window the terp profile remains very similar but the cannabinoid profile and the high type changes with the maturity of the trichomes.

THE CANNABINOIDS PROFILE IS CONSTANT, THE AMOUNTS OF CANNABINOIDS INCREASE WITH MATURITY, THE TERPENE PROFILE AND AMOUNTS ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING WITH MATURITY, SO DOES THE HIGH "TYPE" DEPENDENT ON THE TERPENES EXPRESSED.

i have said this before and will say it again and that is that there are some strains and concentrates i would smoke or vape even if there was no psychoactive or physiological effects. some strains are just that tasty.

NOT ME. I SMOKE FOR EFFECTS, THAT SAID I HAVE FOUND STRONG CORRELATION'S BETWEEN WHAT I CONSIDER GOOD TASTING AND REALLY STRONG EFFECTS.

it just happens that we are blessed with a plant that does have psychoactive effects as well as the medicinal benefits and that's what makes it such a good plant species.

i do not have any experience into using concentrates with added terps but the idea really intrigues me. i do however have alot of experience with using concentrates/ extracts and their organic cannabis terps. i would love to do some experimenting with the added terps as long as they are organic.

I SUGGEST YOU NEED TO ADD THE TERPENE'S TO PURE THC, IF YOU USE CONCENTRATES THEN YOU WILL NOT SEE THE SYNERGY CLEARLY AS THE CONCENTRATES HAVE THEIR OWN TERPENES AND CANNABINODS.
MY FIRST TEST BESIDES TRYING 25MG 100% PURE THC WAS TO ADD 12.5 MG 100% PURE THC WITH 12.5 OF SOME NATURALLY TERPENE RICH DRY SIFT THAT WAS TESTED AT 50% THC AND VAPE IT, SO THE MIX WAS 25MG AND WAS 75% THC. WAY STRONGER THEN 25MG 100% PURE THC.
-SamS

 

[prune]

The pdf is too good, too useful (expect nothing less from co-author Hazekamp) to be buried under almost 6 months of threads.

Absolutely, i found one tidbit that the use of activated charcoal filtered out 50% of the THC!

 

[Greenster]

Why not eat the whole bud, decarboxylated or not?

Juicing seems to be in the wind these days. The only difference from eating dried bud, as I see it, would be more decarboxylation due to the drying process, than if juiced?
When juicing, you're also missing out on lots of the good stuff. I've tried a little bit of juicing AND extracting leftover oil from the pulp......

 

[Greenster]

Cannabis should be used as a whole food vegetable, fresh or dried... who know what other unknown goodies the plant might contain?

 

[mik']

great article & infos !
thx !
I not know oïl but I think try because herbs is cool but no potent always...

 

[mik']

1 cancer is a fucking first category............

 

[SmokeToke1]

Very interesting article. I've been smoking for many years now and I'm blessed to have had very good health all my life. My aunt, however, was recently diagnosed with caner, and I've heard so much good about cannabis oil being a wonderful cure. I am looking into the subject now, reading all the information I can find and thinking about the best way to offer my aunt some kind of advice on how to help herself with marihuana. So far I've found a lot of information, but this gave me new insights, thanks!

 

[paper thorn]

would steam distilled essential cannabis oil, retain enough terpenes to smell like the strain it came from?

I know this is a b it off topic, but...

 

[CabbagesNRye]

Been on this topic for some time myself, i've seen the same question about the contaminates and the same answer, apart from the ultra sonicator thats a new one on me would be nice to have a few 10k's to spend on some lab equipment. Anyway im digressing, I've not seen this mentioned anywhere on the forums yet, DimethylEther, a bi-polar organic solvent giving close to 2x the efficancy of buthane, 0.01% residual (aparently) also free from stinky additives that are added to buthane. I've not tried this yet but it does look like it'll give better yeilds and flavour preservation "strips out all the lipophilic compounds" (such as terpenes!). Possibly an answer to budget production without the need for any purge nonsense, less explosive and evaporates at a lower temprature (-29 i think). Anyone have any thoughts/experience with using this solvent??

 

[Bubbleblower]

The pdf is too good, too useful (expect nothing less from co-author Hazekamp)

One reason his work is so usefull for medical users is he is one of the only scientists who has always taken our experiences seriously.

Here is his thesis (PDF), with chapter 8: "Cannabis tea revisited: A systematic evaluation of the cannabinoid composition of cannabis tea"
Chapter 2 is very interesting also as well as chapter 10, although he should have used a Verdamper (which was designed for medical use, thanks to the owner of coffeeshop D in chapter 2).

Also on this subject: The Medicinal Use of Cannabis and Cannabinoids—An International Cross-Sectional Survey on Administration Forms

How effective more or less terpenes are remains an unanswered question.

For every 5mg/g in terpenes medical users rate a strain 1 point higher.

 

[oldchuck]

Thanks for the link to that thesis, Bubble. Haven't gotten very far but it seems useful.