Super charge your coco

[Justinsane]

I found this articel over at another forum and would really love to here what you guys think about this style of growing in coco.

http://issuu.com/thegrindmagazine/docs/the_grind_magazine_4th_edition/57?e=7846023/4149615

And do you think it will work with perlite/coco hempys or just pots with coco?

Justin

 

[gaiusmarius]

it's interesting i have to say, as i never tried it, so i can't really say how it will work. but i know for a fact that the first 2 weeks of flowering you need to up the nutrients all the time, so that part makes sense, i also drop the ec again after that stage, what i don't do so far is ever go that high with the ec.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Thanks for the article. I'm game to try it on a few plants in a couple months when my small clones are ready to flower.

 

[Justinsane]

Thanks for the article. I'm game to try it on a few plants in a couple months when my small clones are ready to flower.

You are welcomme my friend.

I have 4 perlite/hempys going right now, second week of veg.

2 panama and 2 Orient express (ace seeds) and i dont know if i dare to try this with hempys....sounds like a dangerous high ec when you working with a small resevoir like in hempys....i dunno...

 

[stoned40yrs]

Seems like in a hempy you would need to feed enough to flush out 100% of the res each day but I'm just guessing. Thanks again for the article. This guy I know who is an old grower not currently growing told me he use to do the same thing- going up to 3.0 ec and back down multiple times in flower and never had problems and great yields. I thought he was BSing me trying to get me to screw up my grow

 

[thelaughingman]

Entreating ..thanks for the good read

 

[Justinsane]

I have sent en mail to The grind magazine and Jason Pirie to ask about if this method works with perlite/coco hempys as well.

Will post answer here when and if i get an answer.

Justin

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

Interesting.. I'm trying to understand what they are trying to achive with the so called "Supercharging" method.

The the nutrients build up in coco to make a hypertonic media, then its dropped to hypotonic in a cycle like a flush. Thats how i'm reading it.

As if you are literally "pumping" the plant. I guess this could be a way to feed. I think might work once you establish EC/PPM highs and lows tolerance for the strain you are working with

I've observed this.. when a plant showing signs of nutrient burn a plain water flush improves the appearance.

 

[GreeeeN GRassss]

hes more or less saying do not flush with just plain water always feed but with a weaker solution, we probably wont hit the heights of 3ec but if you lets say feed at your highest after the increment increase at 1.8 then flush with a solution of maybe 1.

 

[Coconutz]

Heres what I go by

 

[Treetroit City]

Sounds like it was written by a nutrient salesman...

 

[Justinsane]

Sounds like it was written by a nutrient salesman...

I dont think so.

Do you think that "The Grind Magazine" would put their reputation on the line just so some salesman can try to sell more of a product that he dosent even mention in this articel?

Have more hope then that my friend.

Take care

J

 

[Justinsane]

edit: dubbelpost

 

[jayjayfrank]

Do you think that "The Grind Magazine" would put their reputation on the line...

yes

this method was already mentioned awhile back by some one else, thread didnt go anywhere

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

Nutrient salesman or not cannot be proven as fact.. I dont even know if the author is credible.

What I do know as fact is how hyper/hypotonic solutions work on a cellular level. I think its worth a try. If this indeed has a postive effect on growing is gonna take a few of us to prove that it does or does not work.

 

[theother]

seems scary, might work best in bigger pots that are hand watered. honestly though 3 ec in coco is terrifying to me, some heavy feeders can probably take it though.

 

[gaiusmarius]

the only reason i didnt scream and shout about the high ec of 3.0 was cause he only leaves it that high for a day of feeding.

the other important point is that plants get used to how you feed them. have seen people use 25% of the recommended nute level and get great gpw numbers as well as folks using half dose and ones using 75% dose and even some using the 100% rec dose. in the end it's what the plants are introduced to when small that will determine what they can take when big. still of course there will be strains that will like such treatment more then others, thats for sure. i'm tempted to try it, just for fun, maybe stopping at ec 2.5 though lol.

 

[thelaughingman]

I concur this technique does sound intriguing, there is one thing.. do plants eat more if there is more light? the article is lacking some important detail, like gaiusmarius said 2.5 ec is probably where I would stop too for 1. my beans are not top grade and 2. only 1 400w bulb but I'm sure this is a plateau to achieve 1gpw ..again thanks for sharing

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

I concur this technique does sound intriguing, there is one thing.. do plants eat more if there is more light? the article is lacking some important detail, like gaiusmarius said 2.5 ec is probably where I would stop too for 1. my beans are not top grade and 2. only 1 400w bulb but I'm sure this is a plateau to achieve 1gpw ..again thanks for sharing

You ask some interesting questions.. I got tunnel vision looking at the feeding schedule..

I did not see any adjustments to enviro like temp, rh.. airmovent. etc.. If you were going to force an agressive feeding schedule. You asking if they eat more if more light is added.. Generally speaking.. more light is used in flowering.. so Im going to say yes.

He did mention that the supercharge method was to be used in early flower. So we at least we know when its to be used. "Week 3 of flower, onwards". I know that I generally feed more aggressive after stretch, so I somewhat agree there. Feeding schedule charts seem to support this theory..

Should the supercharge method be used with say CO2 enrichment?..
or at least increased air exchanges to make use of the EC spike?.

Anyways.. its anecdotal evidence.. no pictures of proof, no control group.. just a picture of some coco husks.

Have fun with it.. experiment Its part of dialing in a grow.

 

[Eyeslo]

sounds like made up story filler by some writer who had too big of a blunt to me. magazines need to fill pages with something and when speaking of sketchy sounding grow methods claiming great results, its just as easy to claim user error when someone tries it with sad results. what are you gonna do about it anyway? tell people it didn't work? they have nothing to loose because serious growers don't buy their mag. people who think MJ's cool do.

now I know it says newbie over on the left but ive been growing in coco for three years now and just don't post much unless its really worth it. I tend to be long winded cause I like to be explanatory.

alright now, take a step back for a second. 3.0 EC? I think we all know deep down in our hearts that will do nothing good for our plants. reason being, plants uptake water and nutrients by osmosis and grow using vascular pressure which is only produced by the rate of osmosis by the plant.

time to get explanatory. the way to really supercharge coco is with oxygen and low EC to maximize osmosis. the whole idea here is to only be feeding what the plant is using and not a drop more. osmosis is maximized because the internal EC of the plant is much greater than that of the medium and the low EC also allows for multiple feeds a day to keep roots supplied with lots of dissolved oxygen. the multiple daily feeds also mimics the affect of a moving solution in an active hydro setup.

the only thing about the article I agree with is the third week of flower. I feed 1.0 EC veg and first two weeks flower, then 1.2 EC for the remainder of flower. my plants grow almost 3 inches a day and exude droplets of water from every serration on the leaves. they do this because of tremendous vascular pressure produced by maximized osmosis affect. i also haven't pulled less than 19 oz from various strains under 600w since ive adapted this style. my best was 22 oz from the wonder woman. there was one cola in the bunch of her that was over an lb wet. turned out over two oz dry.

people sometimes believe nutes for plants are like food for people. more food = fat people, more nutes = fat buds right? WRONG. air and light are food to plants and nutes are more like supplemental vitamins. as long as enough is present when a plant needs it, everything will be fine. more is not better. in fact its worse and heres why.

when you start to raise EC beyond what a plant needs it brings you closer to the internal EC of the plant, reducing osmosis and in turn vigor. the closer you get to the EC of the plant the more the osmosis affect is reduced and growth will be further slowed. I know this for fact because even going over 1.4 EC is enough to make my plants stop dripping letting me know that osmosis has been reduced. if the internal EC of the plant is exceeded by the EC of the medium then the osmosis affect is actually reversed. the medium will draw water from the plant until the EC of plant and medium are equal. this is how plants get burned.

some people even go as far as to raise EC till the plant burns then back off just a little and think there feeding at the plants max tolerance. this is very bad for plants and is sure to cause stunting, deficiencies and very low yields.

all my methods are based off of the man of all men Heath Robinson, except I don't vert. that's in the making. the yields above were achieved with 12 plants in a 12 sq ft scrog under 600w hps.

I can go all day but id better knock off here.

Later