Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[Thule]

Extreme weather for sure, in the meantime we've had a historically warm winter in northern Europe. 6 to 8 degrees above average. It's raining right now and the snow's gone two months early! It means I can soon start looking for outdoor spots I have lots of new sativa seeds to try!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

isn't it normal for all herb plants started from seed, to start with opposite, and as the sexually mature go to alternate?

in my experience all plants start with opposite branching then go alternate in maturity. only time that's not a rule is when i go 12/12 from seed. i.e. very little to no veg time.

 

[Raco]

Aerial boundaries



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE7eVfIAkkE

 

[Raco]

10 years + ago...

10 years + ago...

Chaman posted this pic...original guerrilla420´s UST thread

He gifted me seeds of this lovely colombian strain ...opposite branching

 

[stihgnobevoli]

so it always stays like that huh? i find a lot of sativa's do that. i alwasy assumed it was small pots and no veg time to branch out.

 

[Terpene]

Ace Purple Haze x Malawi at roughly 14weeks.

 

[PetFlora]

Will they ever finish?

I thought they were near done a month ago and began slow flushing, using only minerals. Finally, a couple days ago I gave them a bit of Epsom Salt (CaMg)

Well this morning I threw in the towel, and gave them a bit of food

Edit: by a bit of food, only ~300ppm, and will dilute to 200 tomorrow as plants will have had 24 feedings by then

Just checked on them, a lot more leafs are oily

Now ~75 days since bud set

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[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I have my Indica influence theory about the Colombian propensity of opposite branching. I have also heard theories about Colombian strains having some African influence, which is closer to the homeland of Indica strains by the way. My question is, are there a propensity of opposite branching in African strains, or in strains from anywhere else that anyone has noticed?

ThaiBliss

 

[RandyCalifornia]

By golly, I got one

the place: Humboldt out if the woods
the time: November 1979
the strain: Michoacan
I got a late start my first year, holes were hastily dug. I came back from being away fighting fire and it had been pouring rain already for days. They were laying on the ground when I got to my patch. I still loved every mud soaked inch of em though.
As you can see, opposite branching, but as it matured the branches started alternating, so both were going on.
Sorry for the bad pic, I don't have a scanner, so it's a pic of a pic.

Here's the soggy bud from it.

 

[Thule]

Greetings,

I have my Indica influence theory about the Colombian propensity of opposite branching. I have also heard theories about Colombian strains having some African influence, which is closer to the homeland of Indica strains by the way. My question is, are there a propensity of opposite branching in African strains, or in strains from anywhere else that anyone has noticed?

ThaiBliss

It seems clear to me that hash plant genetics are all over Africa. As you noted, Africa is geographically and culturally very close to the "homeland of indica". Arab traders are often mentioned when talking about cannabis in Africa. They were for the most part coming from an area that today encompasses Egypt and the Levant, and in the case of West Africa, from Morocco. This is hash country, but the varieties grown there are somewhat intermediate between sativa and indica.

African strains imo aren't typical sativas either, this is obvious in the case of South Africa, but can also be seen in strains coming from Central Africa. (Congo, Angola..) Dark green widish foliage, full flowers sometimes with purple pistils, faster flowering, hashy undertones..

This is of course heresy but I am yet to grow a "typical sativa" coming from Africa. While these varieties are for all intents and purposes "pure sativas" and tropically acclimatized for centuries, the hashplant influence imo is obvious.

How all this reflects on the Latin American genepool is even more complicated and not having grown many new world strains I don't want to jump into conclusions. There are however strains in Latin America that don't strike me as pure tropicals, Colombian Reds, Panama, most of Mexico.. So if Original Haze is a combination of different Colombians and Mexicans one might argue it's not a pure tropical. I'm not going to say Haze is not a pure sativa but that would certainly explain how you can end up with phenotypes like seen in Tom Hills Ohaze if you dig deep enough into the genepool.

But like I said, these are for all intents and purposes, pure sativas. It's just how you want to look at it.

And Randy, very vintage! Reminds me of old Oaxacan lines.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

The history, migrations of Cannabis, and changing popular preferences of types of highs are very interesting to me, especially since my own preferences and habits have also changed. It surely is a complicated story. Since it is so complicated, there is also plenty of evidence for all kinds of theories, since there is truth in so many of them. If you would indulge me, I'd like to fill in my earlier fever induced outline, or rather touch on some aspects that I left out. The point of view I have is from the perspective of my preference for the Sativa side of the spectrum that has been heightened in my old age, by a slow but sure lessening of my own energy. I'm hoping that this is an appropriate discussion in this thread. I believe the title of this thread is "Revival of..." because it was started at another site, and is being revived here. To me, it has a double meaning. I'm hoping that the Sativa side of the spectrum of Cannabis is revived in popularity, mostly for selfish reasons. I'd like for it to be more easy to find what I consider good strains. For those who don't care about my hot air on this subject, it is easy enough to scroll right on past.

I have read that DJ Short feels that Thai strains were the basis of many Central American strains, and I always wondered what evidence he had to support this. Recently, someone posted a map of an old trading route that was a revelation to me, and certainly would support DJ's view. What it showed was an old sailing route that came out of S.E. Asia on a course to Acapulco Mexico, overland to Vera Cruz, and sailing on to Cuba and likely to Jamaica. Having established the possibility of some historical evidence of the Americas having an early history of a source of Cannabis on the extreme Sativa side of the spectrum, I'd like to move off of conjecture and relate to you my personal history of the types of Cannabis that I have smoked in almost a half century in North America.

My first experiences of ganja were of Mexican origin. What I remember is a high that was crystal clear, energetic, and effected us by giving us fits of hilarity. It is interesting that the fits of hilarity and even paranoia have been maintained as a caricature of ganja smokers even as this effect has been modified or even lost as most commonly available strains have evolved to have more sedative ingredients with effects that result in another caricature, apathy. But, I digress. I remember the effects being so clear, that first time users were often unaware that they were high at all, even though it was easy for the rest of us seasoned smokers to see the changes in their behavior, and the Cheshire cat grins on their faces.

After law enforcement started attacking the Mexican growing sources, literally by spraying a toxic herbicide (paraquat), the Colombian connection was established. Colombian was very different from the Mexicans that I first smoked. While they still had an energy to the high, as compared to the Indicas I later smoked, they also had a more drugged sedative feel to it. They were more potent in an obvious way. I immediately preferred Colombian.

My next experiences were Jamaican ganja, soon followed by Thai Sticks, and Sumatran. These were closer to the Mexican type of high, but much stronger than the Mexican that I remember. These in fact, made the Colombian seem weak. From then on, we smoked Colombian only when the highest grades were available, and we did not have Thai Sticks available, which was most of the year. After a while, our sources of ganja became more wide spread, even including high grade Sativa strains grown in California. It was not long afterwards that I moved from the Midwest to California.


When first arriving in California, I was so pleased to find many very high quality strains available. Even in the very small town I lived in, it was easier to source high quality import and homegrown than it was in the second biggest city in the U.S., where I had come from. I was also finding pure Indica, which I had experienced only a few times previously. I was in Cannabis heaven. I even loved the pure Indica for its hashy expansiveness and taste, and the knock down power as apposed to the knock into orbit of another world power of good Sativas. The look of the bud was also irresistible. But it all changed very quickly before my very eyes, within a period of less than 5 years, as pure Sativa was replaced by Sativa x Indica crosses, 98% of the time losing the clarity, energy, and extreme psychotropic (trippy) power of the pure Sativa.

Thanks to IMAG, this thread, and all you Sativa aficionados to help preserve the remaining isolated pockets of the pure Sativa from completely disappearing. We cannot help ourselves by experimenting with outcrossing, but please do some outcrosses comprised of pure Sativa to pure Sativa, and try and keep the line bred pure Sativa strains preserved also.

Thank you,

ThaiBliss

 

[tjo]

^^
i grow weed almost 10 years...i smoke 20all dutch hybrids and the better of them was ssh..
Now i have 1 malawi from ace and first time i felt that i grew
real cannabis plant..sativas like malawi are not for joking..
amazing stretch,amazing natural smell and nothing dutch in it..

Propably my turn in landrace sativa is natural, because
im looking the kind of high that i knew from my first days of
smoking weed...
I remember we get weed from a village near to Olympus mountain
and the seeds has red lines-i never saw seeds like that again in my life-,damn, i wish i knew that
i will grow some day..never keeped old seeds and now
i cant find greek land race seed even if i know a lot of peoples..

maybe one of the best threads here... thanks all for the knowledge
that you share, peoples around the world

 

[ThaiBliss]

Back to your regular scheduled program.


Jamaican Ganja Seedlings, without a hint of any Indica influence:

Closer:

All the Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[Pantagruelion]

I'm working on an ultimate Sativa of my own. Crossing Thais and cambos for vigor while maintaining pure Sativa parameters.

 

[tjo]

ACE malawi 39 days

 

[bushweed]

Just getting back to my original observations regarding the alternate branching of Thais versus the opposite branching of Colombians. We found a couple of variations on the proposition, as well a number of punters proposing that all strains start out opposite and turn alternate towards flowering.
Santa Marta Gold...

 

[marijuanamat]

Most vars i've grown in the past from seed have all started out opposite and after around the 7-10th node they start to alternate,unless i start flowering them early(3-6th nodes) then they sometimes stay opposite.

 

[recent guest]

Destroyer x Chocolope @ 7 weeks filling up but still several weeks of maturation left

Oldtimer's Haze @ 16 weeks. This is one of about eight spots on the plant where the calyxes are starting to swell and produce resin. Very exciting.

Panama plant @ 7 weeks next to Oldtimer's Haze jungle

Destroyer x Malawi @ 7 weeks showing nice resin

 

[crazyfool*]

Destroyer vs Malawii Looks insane

 

[recent guest]

Destroyer vs Malawii Looks insane

I know Im pretty happy with the results

I wouldn't say 'vs', I think they complement each other really well . Destroyer seems to be a fantastic breeding partner, bringing out the "1 + 1 = 3" effect