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Gorilla Glue #4
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skeezo
Has anyone smoked tha gorrila dong?
Rumor has it, it's a gg4 x donkey dick x panthers piss cross...
Rumor has it, it's a gg4 x donkey dick x panthers piss cross...
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Hillarious names,lollll
I feel extremely blessed to be part of the family. Thank You!
Got the unrooted cuts in the EZ-Clone120 and the rooted cut T/P'ed into a 2gln pot with FFOF soil and Chunky Perlite. ~
Got the unrooted cuts in the EZ-Clone120 and the rooted cut T/P'ed into a 2gln pot with FFOF soil and Chunky Perlite. ~
AMEN! I feel the same way. I smoked a Silver Haze in the inner city and it was real Haze. Loved the taste. Cant find it today.
I have beans of 1960' pure sativa landrace Jamaican LambsBread that Im preserving for eternity. This cannot be lost.
The smell is in a class of its own.
20+/-wks flower time with 0 cieling.
Ive been getting some nice sap in my glue buds.
I broke a 4 week cured bud open the other day and it was all wet looking on the inside.
My first thought was that it was water, but upon closer inspection it was oil/sap.
The bud was almost like one of those Gusher's fruit snacks.
And the oil smelled SOOOOOO fukin good.
Like straight, concentrated Sour/chem oil.
And ive been seeing it here and there on a few buds from the plants i just chopped too.
here's a bud that i found a little bit of it on, just now while trimming.
I broke a 4 week cured bud open the other day and it was all wet looking on the inside.
My first thought was that it was water, but upon closer inspection it was oil/sap.
The bud was almost like one of those Gusher's fruit snacks.
And the oil smelled SOOOOOO fukin good.
Like straight, concentrated Sour/chem oil.
And ive been seeing it here and there on a few buds from the plants i just chopped too.
here's a bud that i found a little bit of it on, just now while trimming.
^badass^ props to JW
Good observation. Cannabis is a dioecious so...
You are correct. It is impossible, from a genetic aspect, for the plant to be a "true" male because it is missing the chromosome.
What you have - is TECHNICALLY - a female gendered plant - that is behaving 100% like a male - and not expressing ANY female attributes, not even pistil formation.
This has been discussed pretty heavily when a Chem' 91 S1 produced a "male" from it's line as well...
The odd thing is - these "males" produce male and female offspring - or rather - plants that behave as such. Which again, you would think to be impossible giving the aspect of a missing chromosome...
Without sorting 2-3k seedlings in a single lot - it is some what hard to quantify the effect that using such "males" has on the population as a whole...
Here's a link - browse through this thread where the same topic is discussed a bit more in depth...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=249165
or if you want to read some real heavy recent study on sex determination:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0085118
I suppose the real question though is, is the chromosome actually MISSING, or is it just not being expressed...the rise of male plants in the next generation allows for such a question to be asserted..
And one could ask if in fact cannabis has a measure through which to repair it's own DNA sequence when it becomes feminized, similar to say alternation of generations...
dank.Frank
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I want to be 100% clear though - I'm not knocking or speaking down on any of the work that is taking place - quite the opposite...
I think having found a male in the GG seeds - represents an EXCELLENT opportunity for breeding - and it would be foolish to not utilize the plant in every way possible...
I do think it will be immensely interesting to see what differences surface in the S1 vs the Ix1 seed lots, considering the same family information is being passed on a genetic level - ie no outside the family line contribution to water it down.
I'm only speaking on a technical level - and I don't want that to be considered or seen as a positive or a negative, merely just what is...
The Chem '91 "male" pollen bred like a true champ - extremely chem dominant plants - and the fact that there can now be m / f pure chem - is super exciting...
I'm equally excited by the possibility of the GG#4 x GG(m) - the opportunity that having GG males will create - is just too good not to pass up. The breeding potential that is created by having pure family line males excites me - and makes it that much easier to focus in on and narrow down traits in successive generations - vs the plant having to be outcrossed to find that male that possess prepotent traits - which is a much harder task.
dank.Frank
I think having found a male in the GG seeds - represents an EXCELLENT opportunity for breeding - and it would be foolish to not utilize the plant in every way possible...
I do think it will be immensely interesting to see what differences surface in the S1 vs the Ix1 seed lots, considering the same family information is being passed on a genetic level - ie no outside the family line contribution to water it down.
I'm only speaking on a technical level - and I don't want that to be considered or seen as a positive or a negative, merely just what is...
The Chem '91 "male" pollen bred like a true champ - extremely chem dominant plants - and the fact that there can now be m / f pure chem - is super exciting...
I'm equally excited by the possibility of the GG#4 x GG(m) - the opportunity that having GG males will create - is just too good not to pass up. The breeding potential that is created by having pure family line males excites me - and makes it that much easier to focus in on and narrow down traits in successive generations - vs the plant having to be outcrossed to find that male that possess prepotent traits - which is a much harder task.
dank.Frank
Many many GREAT strains come from late flower herm accidents... I'd agree with frank that the y is not absent... the y is likely suppressed in the genetic... If you take a cut to s-2's make 2 parallel lines and then interbreed them... just like the chem 91... you can end up with male plants...
Thx Marrdogg, that's what I thought might occur.
I guess it's equivalent to an F1 cross just with no male offspring, essentially a feminization cross without having to treat a plant to force stamens.
i tend to come up with ten more questions for every answer i'm given but i don't want to distract from the pics and discussion.
i need to read some more. it's just that genetics stuff is so sedating to go through. written form of couch lock?
thx again for the insight.
Dank.Frank and SeaFour,
thanks for your answers. I apologize for this double post, I replied to Marrdogg before i saw your replies.
Thanks for the links Dank. I will go through those.
Dank, i know what you mean about not wanting to be misinterpreted. I rewrote that post about fifteen times to make sure it didn't come across as trollish or anything. it was purely a question on plant genetics which i haven't wrapped my head around yet.
SeaFour, your point is where i get lost. I know what you describe has happened, but i don't understand how. it shouldn't be a question of the male chromosome being expressed or not since there was no male chromosome in the parents. i am coming from an understanding of animal genetics however, in which the y chromosome is usually structurally and genetically a very different peice of DNA than the X chromosome.
I think what you are trying to say to me is that the cannabis sex chromosome is for the most part the same in males and females, and the determination of sex comes from gene modifiers being expressed or not. if so, i can see that easily. i just didn't know the sex chromosomes were like that.
ok, i'll quit. lots of reading that i'm now motivated for. thanks again for helping me
thanks for your answers. I apologize for this double post, I replied to Marrdogg before i saw your replies.
Thanks for the links Dank. I will go through those.
Dank, i know what you mean about not wanting to be misinterpreted. I rewrote that post about fifteen times to make sure it didn't come across as trollish or anything. it was purely a question on plant genetics which i haven't wrapped my head around yet.
SeaFour, your point is where i get lost. I know what you describe has happened, but i don't understand how. it shouldn't be a question of the male chromosome being expressed or not since there was no male chromosome in the parents. i am coming from an understanding of animal genetics however, in which the y chromosome is usually structurally and genetically a very different peice of DNA than the X chromosome.
I think what you are trying to say to me is that the cannabis sex chromosome is for the most part the same in males and females, and the determination of sex comes from gene modifiers being expressed or not. if so, i can see that easily. i just didn't know the sex chromosomes were like that.
ok, i'll quit. lots of reading that i'm now motivated for. thanks again for helping me
Pappy, those are some nice close ups. that's not a cell phone camera is it? i'm still a ways away from that stage but i'm thinking ahead to what kind of camera to use. if anyone could note what they use to shoot their pics with, that would be much appreciated.
separate note: is there a way to edit a post so i don't end up with three different ones like i did here? it kills me to go back and see stupid spelling and typing errors in my posts that i can't fix
separate note: is there a way to edit a post so i don't end up with three different ones like i did here? it kills me to go back and see stupid spelling and typing errors in my posts that i can't fix
oldnewfarmer
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Sorry about that. Ive been packing everything tight this weekend. Nothing happened just sent a notice to come and check things out this week.
Thanks for the info on the POW
Its a female plant that is showing only male traits. I went though this with Tom, Charlie, Chimera when I found the Male Peyote Purple that's a s1 line.. They all concluded that the plant was a female that showed only male parts.. These are being found a lot lately. It will look just like a male but they all agreed it was a Hermie male that did not show any female parts. That thread is here.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=231950
This was from Tom H
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They're not males ime, but highly staminate intersex females. Cannabis plants (sex) are controlled first by the XY system, but secondly (expression) by (often environmentally triggered) modifying factors located on autosomes, or pseudoautosomal regions. A female plant with a noted absence of masculine type modifiers can be said to be strongly female. When selfed her progeny will contain very few if any intersex individuals. The opposite type of plant (a female with a noted abundance of masculine type modifiers) -though they may be masked in the parent- will occasionally give rise upon recombination to what you're referring to in this thread. But they're not really males.
All plants born from gynoecious selections (born from female reversals) are females in regards to their sex chromosomes but express as females and intersex females of varying degrees (varying all the way to "it damn sure looks like a male to me") due to the presence/absence/activation of modifying factors.
This phenomenon is not exclusive to plants born of gynoecious selections, rather it is simply more readily apparent there than with male/female selections where it is masked by the expectation of seeing males in the population. -Tom[/FONT]
Its a female plant that is showing only male traits. I went though this with Tom, Charlie, Chimera when I found the Male Peyote Purple that's a s1 line.. They all concluded that the plant was a female that showed only male parts.. These are being found a lot lately. It will look just like a male but they all agreed it was a Hermie male that did not show any female parts. That thread is here.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=231950
This was from Tom H
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They're not males ime, but highly staminate intersex females. Cannabis plants (sex) are controlled first by the XY system, but secondly (expression) by (often environmentally triggered) modifying factors located on autosomes, or pseudoautosomal regions. A female plant with a noted absence of masculine type modifiers can be said to be strongly female. When selfed her progeny will contain very few if any intersex individuals. The opposite type of plant (a female with a noted abundance of masculine type modifiers) -though they may be masked in the parent- will occasionally give rise upon recombination to what you're referring to in this thread. But they're not really males.
All plants born from gynoecious selections (born from female reversals) are females in regards to their sex chromosomes but express as females and intersex females of varying degrees (varying all the way to "it damn sure looks like a male to me") due to the presence/absence/activation of modifying factors.
This phenomenon is not exclusive to plants born of gynoecious selections, rather it is simply more readily apparent there than with male/female selections where it is masked by the expectation of seeing males in the population. -Tom[/FONT]
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I want to know how many plants that represent the inverse of this exist...
How many females are being used that are actually 100% male...ie a true 100% hermi male to the point it expresses fully female.
Doesn't seem anyone has experienced this - nor would anyone know without any sort of testing...but it makes me wonder.
Surely it must be happening if we are seeing a rise in females doing this...
dank.Frank
How many females are being used that are actually 100% male...ie a true 100% hermi male to the point it expresses fully female.
Doesn't seem anyone has experienced this - nor would anyone know without any sort of testing...but it makes me wonder.
Surely it must be happening if we are seeing a rise in females doing this...
dank.Frank
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