Gorilla Glue #4

[dank.frank]

An S1 allows you to see the genetic variation that exists within the mother plant. If an S1 is all over the map, you can rightly assume that trying to zero in on a given expression will only increase in difficult when being bred to a male.

When breeding to a male, you introduce new genetic information and see blends of the two parents, naturally.

Any S1 will have variations reflecting only the genetic make up of the mother. The more poly-hybrid the mother, the more you can expect to see variations, as a rule of thumb. There can be plants found that are better in some attributes than the mother cut - but also find plants that are lacking certain attributes...

When an S1 line produces consistently better plants than herself - it's a good idea to try and pair her with a studly male - for the sole purpose of progression, not necessarily for pheno replication...



dank.Frank

 

[Grizz]

the s1 seeds can be real good, you never know with any seed but s1's usually will get the closest to the original .

Krust is growing some he made already

 

[dank.frank]

the s1 seeds should be fire because all the inputs used to make GG#4 were great plants in their own rights...

Hope I didn't make it sound otherwise...



dank.Frank

 

[redlaser]

1. ICmag removes metadata upon uploading as well - if you want confirmation of that, talk to Skip...

As far as the seeds being grown out prior to release - what purpose does that serve in this instance? It's not like there is a father in the S1 equation - so the only thing you can judge is based on whether or not the mother is a quality plant - and well, that is without debate.

JW's doing a favor by letting out seeds as QUICKLY as he can - to get some variant of GG#4 to all the people who don't have access to clones. Will it be identical to the cut, nope - S1's never are. Is it the closest thing thousands of people will have access to - yes, that it is. So many people have requested this be done and JW is honoring that request. Probably to his own detriment as well because now everyone will have to ask - oh, is that the REAL cut, or is that an S1...

Don't be nitpicking about the testing of something and start a whole slew of drama that comes with such comments. It's really quite simple. If you aren't comfortable buying them - that's just more for those who are...



dank.Frank

Hey dank.frank, it isn't truly accurate when I say gg4 S1, I am referring to the male gg4 (which should be correctly called ggm instead of gg4 male) that Joesy uses which is from the same seed lot I believe as all GG..........And I agree JW has gone above and beyond what is expected as far as sharing this strain.......I'm asking if anyone has grown out any feminized gg4 or gg4 s1 because some people have had gg4 for 1-2 years and would have had time to do this. Not at all a question of anyone in particular's seed making efforts......... Anyone who's ever made a seed is always interested in how they turn out.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Hey dank.frank, it isn't truly accurate when I say gg4 S1, I am referring to the male gg4 that Joesy uses which is from the same seed lot I believe as all GG..........And I agree JW has gone above and beyond what is expected as far as sharing this strain.......I'm asking if anyone has grown out any feminized gg4 or gg4 s1 because some people have had gg4 for 1-2 years and would have had time to do this. Not at all a question of anyone in particular's seed making efforts......... Anyone who's ever made a seed is always interested in how they turn out.

GG4 is the female.

 

[theJointedOne]

Dr Purp when did you cut your gg4 outside?

thanks

 

[stoney917]

Hey doc I think jw found a actual male gorrilla glue..., ggm .... Not sure though but that's what I got outta his post.... That gg4xpow is gonna be bomb.... Those that don't know pow is another clone made by a Vegas guy.... Tastes amazing has a strong hashy grapey sour flavor and smell.. IMO she is the best of both world of lvpkXsour has a great high does ok in yield department... Think her and the glue are gonna make some awesome babies... Phenos may be all over but the keepers are gonna be golden...
So ya did find a male gorilla????????? What's he looking like???? True male????? Only one way to find out how good he is ..... Make sure he don't get lost mang... Great males are more important then females cuz anyone can get a clone... Having and knowing whatvthe male that matches perfect is the trick once found and lost they never return... Nuthin like loosin a clone u can always resource..loosin a male is devastidng and why so many Dutch breeders fell way off after the raids.....l u should pass her to me and a few others for safe keeping...But IMO that's a sign that these seeds were ment to be made and spread even more,,, I def want some ggmxgg4 beans in the stash...

 

[Grizz]

yes for sure gg male, have back up cuts and we will just have to wait and see what kind of stud he is, germed 5 ggm x pow, 4 have tails in 24 hrs

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Dr Purp when did you cut your gg4 outside?

thanks

I can't remember. It was later. It was my last plant to go in the ground.

 

[dank.frank]

Hey dank.frank, it isn't truly accurate when I say gg4 S1, I am referring to the male gg4 (which should be correctly called ggm instead of gg4 male)

If what you are talking about is GG#4 x GG(m) - then you are discussing the Gorilla Glue Ix1.

If you are talking about a self pollination, GG#4 x GG#4(reversed) - then you are discussing the S1.





dank.Frank

 

[Fly by Night]

 

[Hammerhead]

An S1 allows you to see the genetic variation that exists within the mother plant. If an S1 is all over the map, you can rightly assume that trying to zero in on a given expression will only increase in difficult when being bred to a male.

When breeding to a male, you introduce new genetic information and see blends of the two parents, naturally.

Any S1 will have variations reflecting only the genetic make up of the mother. The more poly-hybrid the mother, the more you can expect to see variations, as a rule of thumb. There can be plants found that are better in some attributes than the mother cut - but also find plants that are lacking certain attributes...

When an S1 line produces consistently better plants than herself - it's a good idea to try and pair her with a studly male - for the sole purpose of progression, not necessarily for pheno replication...



dank.Frank

Im pretty sure this is what im seeing in the GG X HB cross. IMO just as strong as GG but has a different terpene profile.Smells and tasts are not as strong as the gg#4..Yield and potency are the same...

 

[dank.frank]

PF - what you are seeking is better parent heterosis...and with the lines both containing some Chem family history in them, you are experiencing a heterotic pattern...

I've been learning...



dank.Frank

 

[dansbuds]

you guys lost me 2 pages ago with the breeding talk

i have the original GG4 & thats all that matters to me . the crosses being made ....I defenatly want to try a few , even sent her to someone with a great sour bubble dad to see what he could do with them 2 . but i'm not expecting anything to be much better than GG4 herself ...... but if it happens ......

 

[SirSmokalot]

couple pics of the POW cut day 65. could run another 10 days maybe but ten weeker for sure

sunlight

flash

sorry theyre blurry. I suck at pics these days

 

[Grizz]

thanks for posting the pic's of the pow sir. she is a nice one,

I really don't know shit about breeding but over the 25 plus years of doing this I have found you just cant ever tell what will cross with what, the original cross of chem sis and sour dub was ok, not anything outstanding but when that pollen hit the choc d magic happened, I would never have thought to use the choc for breeding, it was good but not on the level of sour dub.
whats so neat now is everyone and his brother is crossing stuff to gg4, I know there is going to be one of them that will be magic. the future is bright, real bright

 

[Hammerhead]

strains that where lost are are now being found again.. Many of the strain back in the day where every bit as good but where lost for reason we wont ever know. We can be sure that gg#4 will be here to stay. From the Silver haze I remember back then the buds where silver from the tric's and was so sticky it was not easy to get a blunt to burn good. The SH of today is not even close to the same.

 

[Spider Crab]

I'm sure the POW x GGm will be good but i will try to get some GG4 S1s if i can.......

Hopefully there will be enough that i don't have to be the fastest F5er in the west....

I am too old and lazy for that

 

[Mikenite69]

I have some plans to play around with the glue myself. I am gonna take my Hybrid lime cookie cut and reverse the lime cookie to hit the glue with. My hybrid cut bud structure reminds me sorta of the glue just not as big of yielder. My hybrid cut also stinks to high hell I can't wait to see what comes out of those beans. Maybe a forum x glue? Since everyone says it will be a genetic mess makes me want to try it more. Lol. You never know that one keeper that doesn't herm could be the golden ticket.

Might also use my he/she blueberry dude pollen on gorilla so far everything I have used my he/she male on has been showing great structure with double serrations on all fans. Gonna be fun I love crossing strains.

 

[Seaf0ur]

I got a bruce banner #5 and a chem d heavy mob boss I'm thinkin of playing round with myself... already started Ga3 on a Glue clone a week or two ago....