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dddaver

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The tide is FINALLY changing. Although me and many, many have been harping this same shit for a long time, in my case fucking 40 years now, we can finally sit back and watch the wave hit. HUGE injustices were perpetrated. But I for one am willing to just shut up and see medicine for sick people FINALLY be allowed for them.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/health/gupta-medical-marijuana/index.html?hpt=hp_c4

Gupta: 'I am doubling down' on medical marijuana

By Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent
updated 3:12 PM EST, Wed March 5, 2014

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Dr. Sanjay Gupta explores politics of pot




STORY HIGHLIGHTS

  • A growing number of patients want cannabis as a medicine
  • "It is irresponsible to not provide the best care we can," Sanjay Gupta says
  • Those with influence are paying attention to the debate
  • The public has become intensely engaged



Editor's note: Don't miss "Weed 2: Cannabis Madness: Dr. Sanjay Gupta Reports," at 10 p.m. ET on Tuesday. Also, Dr. Gupta will be answering your questions on Reddit at noon ET Friday.
(CNN) -- It's been eight months since I last wrote about medical marijuana, apologizing for having not dug deeply into the beneficial effects of this plant and for writing articles dismissing its potential. I apologized for my own role in previously misleading people, and I feel very badly that people have suffered for too long, unable to obtain the legitimate medicine that may have helped them.
I have been reminded that a true and productive scientific journey involves a willingness to let go of established notions and get at the truth, even if it is uncomfortable and even it means having to say "sorry."
It is not easy to apologize and take your lumps, but this was never about me.
This scientific journey is about a growing number of patients who want the cannabis plant as a genuine medicine, not to get high.
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Dr. Sanjay Gupta is a practicing neurosurgeon and CNN's chief medical correspondent.


It is about emerging science that not only shows and proves what marijuana can do for the body but provides better insights into the mechanisms of marijuana in the brain, helping us better understand a plant whose benefits have been documented for thousands of years. This journey is also about a Draconian system where politics override science and patients are caught in the middle.
Since our documentary "Weed" aired in August, I have continued to travel the world, investigating and asking tough questions about marijuana.
I have met with hundreds of patients, dozens of scientists and the curious majority who simply want a deeper understanding of this ancient plant. I have sat in labs and personally analyzed the molecules in marijuana that have such potential but are also a source of intense controversy. I have seen those molecules turned into medicine that has quelled epilepsy in a child and pain in a grown adult. I've seen it help a woman at the peak of her life to overcome the ravages of multiple sclerosis.
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Georgia House approves medical marijuana
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Fla. to vote on medical marijuana
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Can medical marijuana help seizures?
I am more convinced than ever that it is irresponsible to not provide the best care we can, care that often may involve marijuana.
I am not backing down on medical marijuana; I am doubling down.
I should add that, although I've taken some heat for my reporting on marijuana, it hasn't been as lonely a position as I expected. Legislators from several states have reached out to me, eager to inform their own positions and asking to show the documentary to their fellow lawmakers.
I've avoided any lobbying, but of course it is gratifying to know that people with influence are paying attention to the film. One place where lawmakers saw a long clip was Georgia, where the state House just passed a medical marijuana bill by a vote of 171-4. Before the legislative session started, most people didn't think this bill had a chance.
More remarkable, many doctors and scientists, worried about being ostracized for even discussing the potential of marijuana, called me confidentially to share their own stories of the drug and the benefit it has provided to their patients. I will honor my promise not to name them, but I hope this next documentary will enable a more open discussion and advance science in the process.
Marijuana is classified as a Schedule I substance, defined as "the most dangerous" drugs "with no currently accepted medical use."
Neither of those statements has ever been factual. Even many of the most ardent critics of medical marijuana don't agree with the Schedule I classification, knowing how it's impeded the ability to conduct needed research on the plant.
Even the head of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, Dr. Nora Volkow, seems to have softened her stance; she told me she believes we need to loosen restrictions for researchers.
Along the way, the public has become intensely engaged. Our collective society has paid closer attention to this issue than ever before, and with that increased education, support for medical marijuana has only grown, including in some unexpected places.
Pete Carroll, the coach of the Super Bowl-winning Seattle Seahawks, said the National Football League should explore medical marijuana if it helps players. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell hasn't dismissed the idea, saying that if marijuana is reconsidered by the medical establishment, the league would treat it the same as any other medicine. Goodell also says the NFL is following the science that suggests marijuana may help recovery from concussions.
Recently, I had the chance to tell him that the United States already holds a patent on medical marijuana for that very purpose. Patent No. 6630507: Cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke or trauma.
However, this particular issue still bothers me: How can the government deny the benefits of medical marijuana even as it holds a patent for those very same benefits? Members of the Food and Drug Administration declined my repeated requests for an interview.
This past year, President Barack Obama told the New Yorker magazine, "I don't think (marijuana) is more dangerous than alcohol." And yet, as alcohol remains available to any adult, the president has not moved to remove marijuana from the list of the most tightly controlled substances in the country.
Since I started my reporting on this topic, I have mostly resisted temptation to inject a subjective moral equivalency into this discussion, such as pitting alcohol against marijuana or reminding you that cocaine and methamphetamine are actually more available than marijuana to patients, physicians and medical researchers: They are Schedule II drugs, with recognized medical uses. Or telling you that on average, a person dies every 19 minutes in this country from a legal prescription drug overdose, while it is virtually unheard-of to die from a marijuana overdose.
But, with a discussion like this, consistency does matter. Terms matter, too.
We are talking about a medicine, known scientifically as cannabis. In order for people to start thinking of this substance as a medicine, perhaps we should start calling it by its medical name, something that was suggested to me by medical marijuana advocates pretty much everywhere I went this year.
I've tried to pull together these latest developments in our new documentary, "Cannabis Madness." Although the 1936 film "Reefer Madness" was propaganda made to advance an agenda with dramatic falsehoods and hyperbole, I hope you will find "Cannabis Madness" an accurate reflection of what is happening today, injected with the best current science.
You will meet families all across the country -- a stay-at-home mom from Ohio, a nurse practitioner from Florida, an insurance salesman from Alabama -- more than 100 families who have all left jobs, homes, friends and family behind and moved to Colorado to get the medicine that relieves their suffering.
As things stand now, many of these good people don't ever get to return home. Why? Because transporting their medicine, even if it is a non-psychoactive cannabis oil, could get them arrested for drug trafficking. And so they are stuck, cannabis refugees.
You will meet them, and if you're like me, you'll be heartbroken to hear their stories, but you'll also have a lump in your throat when you see the raw, true love these parents have for their sick children.
History books may one day draw a parallel between this chapter of medical marijuana and the story of David and Goliath. Playing the role of David's slingshot, which ultimately brought Goliath to his knees, would be a 2-year-old girl named Vivian Wilson. She inspired her father to challenge the system in a spectacular way that caused a nation to stop for a moment and take note.
For months, we have filmed and followed the Wilson family with all of their trials and tribulations, and you will meet the whole family in the upcoming documentary.
I am a father myself, first and foremost. I don't want my children taking or being offered a psychoactive substance. As a neurosurgeon, I know that the developing brain is more susceptible to the most harmful effects of cannabis and that brain development continues well into our mid-20s.
I also worry that generations from now, my great-grandkids will find Internet headlines referring to me as the "pot doc." I do hope they will also read the rest of the story and understand the lives of the countless people who have suffered needlessly when a plant could have helped. I hope they know that I have dedicated my time to researching the medical literature, speaking to the scientists in person and piecing together a fact-based presentation meant to educate, not frighten.
I hope future generations won't consider me naive. Yes, I know there is a concern that many people out there will feign ailments just to get marijuana. But withholding legitimate treatment for the needy is a very unjust way of addressing that concern.
As a physician and reporter, I feel a deeper obligation to present the real stories, soundly supported with the science from all over the world.
When I first apologized for my previous marijuana reporting, I was thinking about the impact that reporting may have had on Charlotte Figi. She is a sweet little girl whose brain was locked in nearly nonstop seizure activity. Without success, she tried seven different medications, stringent diets and high-dose supplements. Modern medicine had nothing more to offer, which is why her parents turned to an ancient plant. As you know, it worked.
And, as you will see, she is one of so many patients out there, suffering from different ailments, who believe cannabis rescued them when nothing else did.
For conditions like Charlotte's, the American Epilepsy Society says that there are a million people for whom existing therapies do not control their seizures. The society recently said anecdotes about medical marijuana "give reason for hope" and said it supports "well-controlled studies that will lead to a better understanding of the disease and the development of safe and effective treatments."
You should know that Charlotte continues to do well. When I saw her around the holidays, she ran over and gave me a hug. She looked me in the eyes, took me by the hand and led me all around to meet her friends. She is a delightful, happy and now healthy little girl.
I know the discussion around this topic will no doubt get heated. I have felt that heat. But I feel a greater responsibility than ever to make sure those heated discussions are also well-informed by science.
And, with that: I hope you get a chance to watch on March 11 at 10 p.m. Eastern.
 

hunt4genetics

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I saw his last one.

The tide is changing.

Great signs.

Shows like this,

and CNBC constantly replaying their various weed documentaries.

Good signs.
 

nattynattygurrl

Natalie J. Puffington
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Most surprising part of this article:
…Georgia, where the state House just passed a medical marijuana bill by a vote of 171-4. Before the legislative session started, most people didn't think this bill had a chance.
Wow! Only 4 people voted against this bill…in Georgia!!

It won’t be long! :woohoo:

Really glad Dr. Gupta is hitting on how difficult it is for patients to travel…I realize it is only secondary to gaining access and not having to live as a “criminal”, but it sucks.
 

Eighths-n-Aces

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as a rule i pretty much hate all the faces and voices in the main stream media. Dr. Gupta has actually given me a reason to pay attention again

still kind of sad that all the people who have needed MMJ for decades were ignored or jailed, but it's good to see the drug warriors finally realize they are completely surrounded by people who are not going to buy their bullshit anymore

the political douches who love taking pictures with babies when they are trying to get into office are not going to be ballsy enough to go on record as refusing medicine to sick kids. it's still fucking politics, but the game is changing
 

Coconutz

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You should check out dr carl hart. I thought what he said about sanjay was great.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=281223

AMY GOODMAN: Your response to Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Carl Hart?
DR. CARL HART: On the one hand, I applaud Sanjay. But on the other hand, I might be embarrassed if I was a physician and I’m this late in the game. The evidence has been overwhelming for quite some time. And if you read the literature and have been reading the literature, this position or this change should have come earlier. But still, it takes some courage to say you were wrong. But I think that it’s been overstated how much praise he deserves.
 

Coconutz

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If we could only get DR. Drew and Phil to flip...

What did you think of Sanjay Gupta's marijuana special on CNN?
Pinsky: That was great. My basic note was - I don’t want to state it too strongly - but it was kind of about time. I’ve never felt differently than what he was saying. He’s sort of come to the table to understand that this is not a monolithic story. But yeah, I didn’t disagree with anything.
That's surprising. You've always been so anti-medical marijuana.
I’m anti the medicalists using my profession to promote a political agenda. I’m anti the way medical marijuana has been promulgated in California. First of all, every drug addict I treat has a prescription. So, nobody is being screened. Number two, you barely have to slow your car down to reach out to get a prescription for marijuana. It’s a miscarriage of my profession - that’s what I don’t like. It’s clearly been done to try to move towards legalization. My thing is, then just legalize it! Don’t use my profession to promote a sham.
By the way, I have prescribed marijuana before. It’s not like I haven’t - I have. When it's appropriate - though it’s a pretty narrow frame in my world - I’m glad. Listen, I’ve given morphine to heroin addicts because my job is to reduce suffering, not to judge. That’s the part that I was sort of curious about. Sanjay seemed to be sort of a judgmental - I don’t judge. I don’t care if people want to use it. I’m just for what’s good for people and what’s healthy, and if people want to fall in line with that, fantastic. If they don’t, also fantastic.
Has your opinion of marijuana been impacted at all by the cancer?
In my world, there are 30 other medications that are way, way better than pot. The only people that ask for pot are people that really love pot. As far as I’m concerned, fine. There’s no such thing as a good drug and a bad drug. That does not exist. There’s just consequences for humans of their relationship with substances, and I try to be exquisitely honest and clear about that. When there’s dishonesty in it, I get troubled by that. When it’s motivated by a political agenda, that’s a problem. It’s a scientific question. If somebody is suffering and this is what they love, they should have that. Why not? Or if it makes them feel better - let’s even say it retriggers addiction in the short-term - well, let’s deal with that in the longer term. We’ll deal with that after the fact. The fact that we can’t use these things is silly. Why is morphine a good drug and canova a bad drug?
It would be amazing if you and Dr. Gupta did a debate on this.
Well, the problem is we agree too closely.
Your side is very specific and I get it, but people simplify the issue.
Oh my God, yes. They want to make me sort of the anti. I’m not anti anything! I’m not even anti-heroin if it can help somebody. I gave a lecture to the medical school about six months ago. And a student goes, “Is marijuana bad?” And I thought, "I can’t believe there are students asking me this." There’s no such thing as a bad drug. There are bad relationships, there are bad consequences. There are maybe drugs that aren’t good or don’t work or are inappropriate or don’t have clinical utility, but it’s the human relationship with the substance that’s the problem, not the substance itself. The fact that we label alcohol and tobacco “good” and morphine “good” and canova “bad” – that’s bizarre to me.
Is that what your answer was?
Yeah, absolutely. I told them I don’t believe in good and bad drugs. There’s no such thing. If you’re going to put good and bad, I would think you’d put alcohol at the top of the list as bad, even though it’s legal. The problem is people get all screwed up about the legal part.

Fuck phil. Hes a straight up bitch!
 

Jhhnn

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I'm glad Gupta is on our side, at least somewhat. I don't use the stuff as medicine, but rather recreationally, which I'm not sure he's prepared to endorse at all.

Just sayin'.
 

m314

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I'm glad Gupta is on our side, at least somewhat. I don't use the stuff as medicine, but rather recreationally, which I'm not sure he's prepared to endorse at all.

Just sayin'.

I don't know if he'd endorse it, but he's made it clear lately that recreational weed is much safer than legal drugs like alcohol or tobacco. He's one of the growing number of people who think it should be legalized without wanting to get high themselves.
 

StayHigh149

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You should check out dr carl hart. I thought what he said about sanjay was great.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=281223

AMY GOODMAN: Your response to Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Carl Hart?
DR. CARL HART: On the one hand, I applaud Sanjay. But on the other hand, I might be embarrassed if I was a physician and I’m this late in the game. The evidence has been overwhelming for quite some time. And if you read the literature and have been reading the literature, this position or this change should have come earlier. But still, it takes some courage to say you were wrong. But I think that it’s been overstated how much praise he deserves.

I don't like that statement above in blue. Dr. Gupta is a very recognized name in the med field & the rest of the world too. His name has "juice". He is a convert, went from negative to positive. The more praise he gets...the more exposure his positve stance gets...the more the facts come out & the more "we" should utilize Dr. Gupta to "our" advantage.
 

aridbud

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If we could only get DR. Drew and Phil to flip...

Nah, that won't happen anytime soon. Dr. Drew is a substance abuse expert and Dr. Phil is not on board for any substance abuse. However, both of them see/treat the WORST CASE SCENARIOS, not the general population that can handle without severe addiction.
 

CosmicGiggle

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Gupta never would have jumped in if he didn't already know it was safe to do so.:peacock:

The tide has turned and he noticed a vacant spot (media spokesperson) that could be filled .... by him.

This is good as others will want a slice of that pie too, no one will let Gupta hog the entire stage.:laughing:

...... now it's gonna be interesting to see who jumps in next!:tiphat:
 

nattynattygurrl

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I'm glad Gupta is on our side, at least somewhat. I don't use the stuff as medicine, but rather recreationally, which I'm not sure he's prepared to endorse at all.

I see your point and I have no idea how he feels about recreational cannabis…However, I feel that all cannabis use, (even 'recreational'), is medicinal…
If cannabis helps to alleviate/lessen stress and anxiety, (IMHO), you are using cannabis medicinally…

Stress kills!
 

oldchuck

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Keep in mind that Dr. Gupta is not just speaking out as an individual. He is THE medical representative of CNN and much of the rest of the main stream media. He is presenting CNN's position insofar as they allow themselves to have a political position on something. CNN has put a lot of money into his travels and films and it is probably very good for their business. He is not simply one guy putting out an opinion.
 

dddaver

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I saw CNN moved the story into their "opinion" section. At first that annoyed me. It's not opinion, it's fact, and was thinking some narrow minded stupid editor was trying to distance CNN from anything Gupta says as representing their view.

I still think that move is wimpy but at least it's being printed in a mainstream paper and again I think the most important part to remember is this will make huge parts of the population more aware and work toward getting sick people the help they need.

I also agree with natty, I think all use is medicinal. People benefit when they use, if that is their intention or not.

I also think there is some danger in distinction between recreational use and medicine too in delaying implementation. If mom and pop middle America thinks it is because people just want to get high, it will slow things.

There is that "divide and conquer" aspect in distinguishing between rec and med. that opponents would gladly use and could just delay passage of what everyone is in favor of. And that is getting sick people the best medicine possible for them. Because most people realize it could very easily be you in the near future that needs it. The only difference being a minor twist of fate.
 

Skip

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Dr. Gupta is perhaps the most influential person currently promoting the benefits of marijuana. His words have already had an impact around the world. The fact that he's a convert, and is now proselytizing for it, adds even more impact to his position.

It appears his focus is now on getting marijuana rescheduled or removed from the schedule of restricted drugs.

As I've pointed out b4, doing that would have the biggest impact on law enforcement across the country, as they could no longer justify all the money going to marijuana suppression, nor the forfeiture laws that motivate LEOs to bust and confiscate personal property. Plus states would have trouble justifying all the harsh laws against marijuana on their books. You'd probably see lawsuits everywhere until new legislation is passed.

Indeed the biggest change would happen internationally. How could the DEA continue to justify it's war on marijuana in other countries once the US reschedules marijuana as not so dangerous? They'd have to rein in all the pressure they've put on foreign gov'ts to toe the DEA line on cannabis.

The question then becomes whether to reschedule or just remove cannabis completely from the schedule. That is the debate we should be having on the national level.
 

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