Too much nitrogen? Ph off? Help please.

[kiefchief109]

What can I specifically look for when it comes to broad mites?

 

[Wendull C.]

No shit talk but those are fucked up and stunted. Start over man. You will be much happier and in better shape.
Did you make sure the plants were well watered before you applied the Azamax? Hope you turn it around.

 

[siftedunity]

No shit talk but those are fucked up and stunted. Start over man. You will be much happier and in better shape.
Did you make sure the plants were well watered before you applied the Azamax? Hope you turn it around.

have you looked at the pics??

that coco is saturated. I still say start over. your plants are pretty fucked.

 

[Mikenite69]

The plants to me look as though they had a really bad ph fluctuation. I haven't ever had to use azamax so don't know what plants would look like when treated with it.

Also IMHO that plants tend to rebound a lot quicker in coco then in a soil grow. Your roots still look semi good with a little brown from overwatering so it's not to late to get them to rebound.

I would do as suggested flush the plants with ph'd water with low dose ferts when you flush then and would foliar feed with a very light nute solution so they are taking in some kind of nutrients. They should rebound and start showing improvement in about a week.

Also in coco you are never supposed to let the medium completely dry out or you will have all sorts of defiencys. We'll good luck and I hope your plants rebound for you. I mean mites and ph lockout is a pretty bad situation to start a grow off with.

 

[Wendull C.]

Double post

 

[Wendull C.]

No I'm blind and using the brail app on my phone. He said he fed the same day, just wondered before or after he used the neem since i have seen many young plants ruined by neem because the medium wasn't wet enough.
One question mark was enough man.

 

[kiefchief109]

There's only a few of the smaller ones that look that bad. Theres another tray of 36 that look great, and 100 or so more spots open when the clones get finished. So I really have to save whatever I can if possible, if it dies it dies. The ph was horribly off when I flushed today so hopefully they do rebound, I'll post pics in a few days, thanks for all the advice.

 

[kiefchief109]

Sorry for the double post, yes I fed them before I used azamax.

 

[Mikenite69]

That's what's it looked like to me that you ph was way out of range and when you fed them with the broken ph pen the solution was probably way out of range which caused a really bad ph fluctuation. Plants can't take bad ph fluctuations they will go from looking great to almost dead in the matter of a day.

The same thing happened to me when I got back into growing and my ph meter broke. I was using vinager as a ph down and it totally screwed my plants up. Some of the plants never rebounded or took forever and I just culled them.

What I would do is after you flush which I am sure you did already. I would pick up some great white or roots excel or some kind of microrihzzae (I think that's how it's spelled) but that will also help because you roots will explode. Might also wanna get some enzymes to eat off some of that dead root matter.

 

[siftedunity]

Overwatering. And btw folar feeding will slow down root growth.. Plus you shouldnt flush with nutes. If you have any lock outs, adding more nutes will just make it worse. Im speaking from many years experience with coco.

 

[Asslover]

There is no telling what's wrong with those plants because they are FAR GONE. It would be a waste of my time nutrients and electricity to try and revive them and I personally would throw them out.
Remember, unhealthy begets unhealthy. Is there a reason for wanting to save these in particular?

 

[Mikenite69]

Not trying to disagree with you Siftedunity but anytime I ever flushed with coco I always used a very light solution of nutrients to balance out the nutrients in the coco when issues would arise and I would get lockout. I am talking like if you are using sensi a&b like 2ml of each solutionEspecially if it's blocked coco. The prebagged stuff is more forgiving then block coco.

I am growing in coco right now blocked slabs not bagged and I dont ever water with straight water. The point of flushing with a mild solution is because you are trying to reset the cation exchange?? I think that is what it is called and balance out the nutrients that have you lockout in the first place.

Now the foliar feed as I suggested was because it's better to give your plants something rather than letting them starve while they are locked out and not taking nutrients up through the roots.

But hey different stokes for different folks. You might of had great results flushing with straight water but I was always told you wanna flush with a very mild nutrient solution to balance out the medium. But like I said it all pretty much depends on bagged or blocked coco.

 

[aridbud]

Tend to agree with MikeNite....although from the looks of your plants....dump them and start over....and don't repeat what you did!!!! Reasonable to keep diluted solution going.

Nursing a sickly looking plant is time consuming and disappointing. Why waste the energy, lights, et.al trying to do CPR? My opinion...chalk it up as experience...and go back to the drawing board.....learning what those have mentioned.

Bet the 2nd time is a better grow experience.

 

[kiefchief109]

I fed them reluctantly with one of those cheap ph test kit dropper and vials after my meter broke. Never again :3. Theres not really any dead plant matter to wash out...yet. I've heard good things about those two products though.

 

[nastynate420]

Great white is the shit.

 

[kiefchief109]

If I had the plants to replace them, I would. As it is I'm working on filling the rest of the grow space which is about 120 more or so. The lights are gonna be on if I toss the sick ones or not, but if some plants fall in my you can bet I'm tossing em to the curb.

 

[siftedunity]

Not trying to disagree with you Siftedunity but anytime I ever flushed with coco I always used a very light solution of nutrients to balance out the nutrients in the coco when issues would arise and I would get lockout. I am talking like if you are using sensi a&b like 2ml of each solutionEspecially if it's blocked coco. The prebagged stuff is more forgiving then block coco.

I am growing in coco right now blocked slabs not bagged and I dont ever water with straight water. The point of flushing with a mild solution is because you are trying to reset the cation exchange?? I think that is what it is called and balance out the nutrients that have you lockout in the first place.

Now the foliar feed as I suggested was because it's better to give your plants something rather than letting them starve while they are locked out and not taking nutrients up through the roots.

But hey different stokes for different folks. You might of had great results flushing with straight water but I was always told you wanna flush with a very mild nutrient solution to balance out the medium. But like I said it all pretty much depends on bagged or blocked coco.

the whole point of flushing is to leach the medium of any nutrients(calcium, magnesium etc etc) which may be causing the lockout.
how are you gonna effectively flush out nutrients with yet more nutrient solution?
I personally would use ph water to effectively put the coco back to an unadulterated state. the plant is locked out so isn't taking up nutrients anyway, but will need water..
if you flush with nutes how are you sure you have leached out completely what caused the issue?

then id let the coco dry out to about 70% by this time the plant should be fine to be fed again. plus the drying out between waterings encourages root growth.

you are better off with a pre rinsed and buffered bag of coco than the blocks. ive used blocks but they are pretty shit.
mike I know theres more than one way to skin a cat, im sure your method works for you, but ime If your gonna flush it, flush it properly so you don't have the same thing re occur.. btw ive flowered a whole crop on 2mls of a and b of advanced sensi.. even half strength is strong. I wouldn't call that a flush by any means.

 

[smailer]

siftedunity is right it's totally drowned plants.
OVERWATERING!!!
roots cannot to breath, they damaged an die, also in this situation nutrients absorption is almost stopped. and you see various images of lot of issue.

Please believe me, because I know what I say

Best way in this situation start a new round. because recovery time is more longer than start from new health seeds\clones.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

im going to agree. a fresh healthy baby clone will yeild more than that one will (IF it even rebounds) in the same time frame. the plants next to it will fill in the space it doesnt fill in . your canopy will be the same size. if you leave that bullshit in there instead your going to have this yellow fucked up plant with brown leaves in the bud instead of a big healthy green lollipop and side branch nugs from the surrounding plants. toss that thing.

 

[Wendull C.]

Coco should never be flushed with plain water. It throws off the cation index due to the nutrient buffering capabilities of coconut.
But don't take my word for it, check out cannas website. Mikenite is exactly correct.
I also have done a side by side to see for myself and the plants flushed at 400ppm did better.