Washington State new legislation

[rbt]

Washington State has reigned in the Marijuana dispensaries and forcing medical into state controlled recreational facilities

http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/18/washington-house-overwhelmingly-approves

 

[Cameltom]

that sucks...
Its all about the Money...
That's why i don't want it legalized, just decriminalized.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

6 plants! Only 3 flowering plants? LMFAO!!!!!
I guess they will be growing trees with 1 years veg time, surrounded by 6000w of light apiece. 20lb trees anyone?

 

[Randy Lahey]

"Frigg off Washington!" - Bubbles - TPB Episode "CONKY"

"Frigg off Washington!" - Bubbles - TPB Episode "CONKY"

Well "Washington" is fuckin up then....

 

[GrowingHigher]

So medical patients are going to have a harder time getting medicine, have to pay more for it, and may not be allowed an adequate supply (3 oz limit isn't much -for people ingesting raw products especially).

What a load of shit.

Thanks for sharing the info.

 

[Skip]

I read the article and it says that the House passed this bill. It still needs to go to the state Senate, which has other marijuana related bills it's considering. So there is still time to modify the bill, it's not law yet...

 

[trichrider]

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[catman]

I was a medical marijuana patient in Nevada where only 3 plants were allowed to be in flowering. I followed the rules and could grow 1 pound with a single 600w. That was more than enough for myself and I find it hard to believe that there are many people who need more. Sure, there are some who need more and I hope WA can accommodate those people with extra caregivers or whatever need be. I also find it hard to believe that those in need, would suffer serious consequences if found to be somewhere outside of the law.

I moved from Nevada to Washington for a brief period of time. I gave up trying to make a future for myself in the cannabis industry. I don't have the funds to get off the ground. I'm now more concerned with Washington setting a good example for marijuana LEGALIZATION everywhere.

There is no way WA's i502 would be successful with the MMJ program still active. The whole world needs i502 to succeed. Again, I realize it may harm a few, but the needs of the many come before the few.

 

[RoadRash]

I was a medical marijuana patient in Nevada where only 3 plants were allowed to be in flowering. I followed the rules and could grow 1 pound with a single 600w. That was more than enough for myself and I find it hard to believe that there are many people who need more.

It's not quantity for some patients, it's variety.

I consumer about 1/3 gram a day, a real lightweight. Perhaps 1/2 gram on some days.

But the medicine works best when I have access to a variety (at least 2) of Sativa-dom's, a variety of Indica's, and a variety of approx. 50-50 or 40-60 mixes (e.g. White Widow). All very potent. That means for a personal grow, 6 different varieties, and no room for mistakes.

(But I make mistakes)

The plant count limitations cut out the heart of medical marijuana.

I remember being at a dispensary in Vancouver, and some guy walking in and saying that he didn't get high off of one of their Numero Uno strains.

Changing it up - consuming a variety of strains - helps some patients.

 

[catman]

The plant count limitations cut out the heart of medical marijuana.

Changing it up - consuming a variety of strains - helps some patients.

I think your wording is a bit extreme. Just because you are only allowed to grow 3 plants doesn't mean you can't have more than 3 accessible strains. The solution is glass jars and of course time to fill them with a variety of strains.

I personally enjoy variety, but I don't believe there is any scientific literature suggesting a variety of strains is therapeutic. You could very well be right. However, I don't think you have a convincing argument without any literature.

 

[Mr Twister]

It's not quantity for some patients, it's variety.

I consumer about 1/3 gram a day, a real lightweight. Perhaps 1/2 gram on some days.

But the medicine works best when I have access to a variety (at least 2) of Sativa-dom's, a variety of Indica's, and a variety of approx. 50-50 or 40-60 mixes (e.g. White Widow). All very potent. That means for a personal grow, 6 different varieties, and no room for mistakes.

(But I make mistakes)

The plant count limitations cut out the heart of medical marijuana.

I remember being at a dispensary in Vancouver, and some guy walking in and saying that he didn't get high off of one of their Numero Uno strains.

Changing it up - consuming a variety of strains - helps some patients.

I can understand where you're coming from.
Back in my major Mr Twister days, (late 70's thru to mid 90's) I could only toke on one "batch" from the supplier for one week before I needed a new batch. Toking the same batch required much more to get the same results. I talked to my Dr about this because once it came time to manage pain using script pain meds I had the same problem. He said I had an "over active something or other" and it's not all that uncommon.
I stopped token for almost 10 years and now one puff of decent weed gets me high, if it's med stuff then half a toke will do the job. I discovered that eating the med grade helped control my pain much better than smoking but have the same issues of getting immune to the "one" kind, so I require a variety to do the job. I still have a toke but eat one kind and smoke another and rotate so I don't take away from the pain management side of things.
"A big ol' puff on the wildwood weed
Next thing you know
We's just wandering behind the little animals". Jim Stafford

 

[GrowingHigher]

I was a medical marijuana patient in Nevada where only 3 plants were allowed to be in flowering. I followed the rules and could grow 1 pound with a single 600w. That was more than enough for myself and I find it hard to believe that there are many people who need more.

I think your wording is a bit extreme. Just because you are only allowed to grow 3 plants doesn't mean you can't have more than 3 accessible strains. The solution is glass jars and of course time to fill them with a variety of strains.

There is a 3 ounce limit... you harvest a pound at a time and your violating the proposed bill by 13 ounces.

The plant count limitations cut out the heart of medical marijuana.
.

I agree with this for a number of reasons. People need different strains for different ailments, and it is often a trial and error period before finding the right strain for you and your desired effects. Indica heavy blueberry lines are my favorite for going to sleep. Sativa strains for migraines.

Limiting plant count also limits development of new strains. Higher plant count is necessary to make proper breeding selections.



While there isn't any specific literature, it is common Cannabis lore that you will acclimate to a certain strain if you smoke the same stash for an extended period; switching to a new strain can then get you higher than your old strain.

I buy into it because I have subjectively experienced it; though this isn't proof.

 

[Classic Seeds]

once again the politicians prove they are whores and will bend over for who ever has the money ,which sadly in this case is not the medical users - growers but the pot sellors .the legislation in Oregon passed a vendors measure without public vote and I fear much the same is instore for Oregon in the future more about the dollars and screw the medical users if they can not buy it sad thought it was legal now guess only for people to sell not take care of their self dip shit politcrats .you can tell when they are lieing because their lips are moving dirty bastards rotten to the core most everyone of them . aloha cls

 

[high life 45]

I was a medical marijuana patient in Nevada where only 3 plants were allowed to be in flowering. I followed the rules and could grow 1 pound with a single 600w. That was more than enough for myself and I find it hard to believe that there are many people who need more. Sure, there are some who need more and I hope WA can accommodate those people with extra caregivers or whatever need be. I also find it hard to believe that those in need, would suffer serious consequences if found to be somewhere outside of the law.


There is no way WA's i502 would be successful with the MMJ program still active. The whole world needs i502 to succeed. Again, I realize it may harm a few, but the needs of the many come before the few.

From what I have seen Colorados setting a much better example than washington without disturbance to the medical PATIENTs.

I502 can fail IMO (for the exact reason of no compassion for the patients), the world doesnt need it to set the greedy bar for cannabis. Uruguay didnt need Washingtons law.

Medical cannabis set the way for recreational.

Just because the Liquor Control Board wants to make their cash doesnt mean that they should exclude medical patients.

Its the NEEDs of PATIENTS that should outweigh the WANTS of RECREATIONAL users IMO...

 

[high life 45]

I personally enjoy variety, but I don't believe there is any scientific literature suggesting a variety of strains is therapeutic. You could very well be right. However, I don't think you have a convincing argument without any literature.

I dont know where you do your research but it sounds like the FDA is your study budy.

Obviously you never heard of CBD? You should start doing some research before you continue to perpetuate misinformation.

That is what the world needs for cannabis, more valid information on the plant that has SO many benefits.

CBD for pains, THC for inhibiting tumor growth, plenty of literature on that.

What about couch lockin indicas first thing in the morning. Not many folks want that...

Or a mind racing sativa late at night? ...........

We have experience, "literature" is what the DEA is waiting for........you can wait with them if you please.

 

[rbt]

I have finally found what I need for my spastic nerve movement and degenerative muscle pain. I have found a CBD CBD critical mass and white widow at about a 64/40 blend work for me in a butter and ingested, Just try to find that or something close at the dispensaries. The dispensaries I have been too in Arizona they will show you a high THC and that is the market and they grow to the market.

I guess what is very hard to except as a MMJ user I will need to argue for the right of the mentally challenged the psychosis related issues are not in the same realm as physical related and I am not qualified to comment of mental related treatment with MMJ. It is extremely important that we as a group let them know that they self help community groups MS, epileptic, cancer, Aids, are not that same medical needs as PTSB, psychosis and can not be lumped and the groups that support that support each and every one of the needs for MMJ be represented not the money handlers. Which is where it will end.

Just look at medical today anyway with administration and legal taking the lions share of the monies spent on medical. More than patient care or facilities or pharmaceuticals or equipment combined. so now in the US to mess with medical insurance you mess with the economy and the distribution of monies throughout the fabric of the economy. MMJ attacks that very core and the daily stoner blows with the wind.

 

[soil margin]

I was a medical marijuana patient in Nevada where only 3 plants were allowed to be in flowering. I followed the rules and could grow 1 pound with a single 600w. That was more than enough for myself and I find it hard to believe that there are many people who need more. Sure, there are some who need more and I hope WA can accommodate those people with extra caregivers or whatever need be. I also find it hard to believe that those in need, would suffer serious consequences if found to be somewhere outside of the law.

I moved from Nevada to Washington for a brief period of time. I gave up trying to make a future for myself in the cannabis industry. I don't have the funds to get off the ground. I'm now more concerned with Washington setting a good example for marijuana LEGALIZATION everywhere.

There is no way WA's i502 would be successful with the MMJ program still active. The whole world needs i502 to succeed. Again, I realize it may harm a few, but the needs of the many come before the few.

You find it hard to believe that patients would need more? Guess what, your opinion is irrelevant. I have a legal right to as much medicine as my doctor approves and neither yours nor any greedy politicians opinion matters one bit.

Using your logic I shouldn't be able to go buy a 6-pack of beer from the liquor store because I can get drunk off only 3 beers. I find it hard to believe that anyone would need more so lets make it illegal.

 

[GrowingHigher]

You find it hard to believe that patients would need more? Guess what, your opinion is irrelevant. I have a legal right to as much medicine as my doctor approves and neither yours nor any greedy politicians opinion matters one bit.

Using your logic I shouldn't be able to go buy a 6-pack of beer from the liquor store because I can get drunk off only 3 beers. I find it hard to believe that anyone would need more so lets make it illegal.

This is an important point that gets ignored completely when legislators talk about medical Cannabis. If a medicine is legal the dosage is between the doctor and patient. Plant counts and weight limits steps right into the middle of this relationship in a very inappropriate way.

and I just can't get over how low the limit is proposed for medical users... 3 ounces! Say you harvest 3 ounces and have 3 months to wait to harvest again (a very conservative estimate assuming 2 weeks veg, 8 weeks flower, 2 weeks drying/processing, no cure); that's less than a gram a day.

Many medical users require more than this, especially if they need therepeutic effects beyond psychoactivity (e.g. high dose CBD for cancer suppression). Also, a single crop failure means no supply when running on such a tight limitation.

 

[catman]

I502 can fail IMO (for the exact reason of no compassion for the patients), the world doesnt need it to set the greedy bar for cannabis. Uruguay didnt need Washingtons law.

Medical cannabis set the way for recreational.

Just because the Liquor Control Board wants to make their cash doesnt mean that they should exclude medical patients.

It isn't fair to say there is no compassion. A person can still grow their own three plants or get a care giver to help that out. That isn't throwing patients under the bus.

What about the reality that the majority of medicinal cannabis users would rather consider themselves recreational users? Why see a doctor when you don't need to?

What about the reality that a lot of people who visit medical marijuana dispensaries are recreational users?

Yes.. MMJ has paved the way for legal cannabis... we yet need to transition.

 

[m314]

3 flowering plants isn't nearly enough to make a good selection when growing from seeds. I've grown lots of strains that had 1 or 2 outstanding females in a pack of seeds along with 3 or 4 non-outstanding females. Not every female cannabis plant has equal medical potential. There's a huge variety even when you're looking at the same strain.

It's crazy to put that kind of restriction on personal growers. You'd have to rely on someone else's clones if you want to grow 3 quality plants for each harvest. Given my experience with dispensary clones, I'd say personal growers are better off buying seeds and finding quality mother plants on their own.