First grow, want to grow in coco.

[stoned40yrs]

You're just wasting electric and running up your bill with that 400w hps at this stage. Leaves are way to small to use that energy and are mostly living off the cotyledons anyway.

 

[Jnugg]

I was told by my hydro shop to begin feeding rooted cuts/seedlings with 2ml each of Coco A and B.

 

[papaduc]

You're just wasting electric and running up your bill with that 400w hps at this stage. Leaves are way to small to use that energy and are mostly living off the cotyledons anyway.

I agree, but to be honest unless you've got the right light to get them off to a good start, might as well put them under the 400.

I was told by my hydro shop to begin feeding rooted cuts/seedlings with 2ml each of Coco A and B.

They're probably right. The only reason I said put a ml of each in is so there's some food in there til he gets an ec pen, then he can feed them at 1.0
If 2ml of each is 1.0ec then that's what he should be feeding them when those first leaves start to open out.

While they're in the baby stage it shouldn't matter really, long as there's something there when they need it.

 

[Jnugg]

I have no idea what 2ml each of A and B comes out to EC/ppm wise,but will when my cuts have rooted and I transplant to small pots or solo cups of Canna Coco.

I'll be using only Coco A and B,but plan on getting their Canna pk 13/14 as well for flowering.

Unfortunately their feed schedule and their Canna Calculator take into account all their additives to,so no knowing what EC just x milliliters of A and B equals.

 

[papaduc]

That's all you'll need. A&B+PK

You'll find that no matter what brand you go with, provided the NPK ratios are good for veg, all that matters is the EC. So there's no need to ever check the back of a bottle again. For example a 4-2-4... or a 4-3-3.. or 3-2-4... 3-1-3... all of those would be good at 1.0ec

Clones actually need less food than seedlings funny enough. 0.8ec is plenty for freshly rooted clones until they start growing properly.
Re-vegging ones should be on 0.6 max. Seedlings go straight onto 1.0 and stay on it, sometimes right through veg.

Any vegging plant in a normal setup, ie no co2 enrichment etc, does well on 1.0ec, you'll hardly ever need to go more than 0.2 either side of that

All that's based on tap water of 0.2ec

 

[Jnugg]

I'm sure you could easily get by with just the A and B too.I did great in FFOF and GH Floramicro/Florabloom (no additives) at 8ml/16ml per gallon of tap on my last grow (first vert) and got .8x gpw.


Now according to the chart on the back of the Canna Coco info sheet I got at the hydro shop,seedlings/rooted cuts (using A and B and additives) the EC is as follows...

But I prefer the Canna Coco Calculator
http://growguide.info

Which allows you to choose various options such as water softness/hardness,tank size (1 gallon/liter and up),and feeding (light,normal,and heavy)...and it gives you different EC's from each variant.

 

[papaduc]

Those feed guides are mad. All different companies have different guides on feeding cannabis. For example Canna is known for suggesting that you add a pk dose at week 6 just once, whereas Hesi and some others say to add it in throughout flower... seems every company have a different strategy regarding feeding, especially in flower and regarding P&K... Some companies like AN say P boosting for yield is a myth... but do a P booster! They also do hammerhead which is NPK 2/4/10
Like a maze, You'll get lost in guides if you follow them.

I go by what I know works and I base that on what's been known for fruiting plants for a long time, that you reduce nitrogen and increase potassium in flower. Basic 4-5-8 tomato food has grown me some lovely buds in the past and I can't fault it.

You'll find what works for you, but when you start feeding, start on 1.0ec and see where that takes you. Chances are you'll find that once your plants are vegging along, 1.0ec will be a good baseline for almost anything you grow.

 

[DrBagseed]

I agree, but to be honest unless you've got the right light to get them off to a good start, might as well put them under the 400.
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This, it will cost me more to get a cfl of decent size within reasonable time than running the hps I already have. The 7,5w led + gro lux uv lights I already have is not gonna be sufficient enough for anything else than the first few days of growth, so hps it is.

The plants seemed to love the 1ml coco a+b + an increased strength of rhizotonic, the leaves have more than doubled in size in 24h and they are now starting on the next set. I might raise to 1,5ml then eventually 2ml of coco a+b since my meters didn't come today either, but crossing fingers for monday now.

Unfortunately the two twins I got are going really slow (I think the smallest one is having a hard time developing roots still, the other one is okay) so I sprouted my last seed of that strain incase they turn out to have stunted growth or whatever else might have happened

I'm sure you could easily get by with just the A and B too.I did great in FFOF and GH Floramicro/Florabloom (no additives) at 8ml/16ml per gallon of tap on my last grow (first vert) and got .8x gpw.


Now according to the chart on the back of the Canna Coco info sheet I got at the hydro shop,seedlings/rooted cuts (using A and B and additives) the EC is as follows...

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But I prefer the Canna Coco Calculator
http://growguide.info

Which allows you to choose various options such as water softness/hardness,tank size (1 gallon/liter and up),and feeding (light,normal,and heavy)...and it gives you different EC's from each variant.

I haven't seen this chart before but it differs a lot from the one I was going to use.

The one I have looked at is this http://www.premiergrow.com/images/nutrient-charts/canna-coco-scr-nutrient-chart.png
Now the biggest difference as far as I can see is the usage of canna boost.. Hmm, maybe I wont really need a schedule like that after all when I get my meters, might check out the growguide site though.

 

[Jnugg]

The only difference I see in that chart vs the one I posted a picture of is that the chart I posted is for ml of A and B per gallon of water,and the chart you posted is for ml of A and B per 10 liters (2.64 gallons) of water.

Check out the link to the Canna Calculator I posted Drbagseed.

 

[DrBagseed]

The only difference I see in that chart vs the one I posted a picture of is that the chart I posted is for ml of A and B per gallon of water,and the chart you posted is for ml of A and B per 10 liters (2.64 gallons) of water.

Check out the link to the Canna Calculator I posted Drbagseed.

I checked it out, will come in handy when I get my meters.



On another note; early this morning I knocked over one of the plants while setting up the ducting, the plant now seems to be hanging a little with the leafs, im guessing there's not much I can do about that? Oh, and it also got a bit cold in the tent while I was doing this, might also be the reason.

EDIT: Plants are going strong, meters haven't arrived and the plant that got knocked over still has the tips of the leaves having directly down. Will update with pictures later or make a journal and put the link up here.

 

[DrBagseed]

I have made a journal guys. Check it out if ya like to.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6216168#post6216168

 

[DrBagseed]

Hey guys. Everything seems to be going fine so far. I've got my EC meter now and started feeding them at normal strength. I repotted them yesterday but seems like I gotta put them in bigger pots again tomorrow.


Two of the Mazari's

This is one of the twin plants I got from one seed. The other one looks normal.

 

[Jnugg]

You won't need to transplant them for atleast a week to two weeks.Get a good healthy rootmass going before transplanting to a bigger final home,otherwise you may risk overwatering them.