are you a "conspiracy theorist"?

[gaiusmarius]

Whatever dude You weren't expressing your opinion of the subject when you said that, you were expressing your opinion of my opinion on the subject. But you knew that so for you to play dumb is quite disingenuous and if it were true, that you can't even remember what you said in reference to what then you really have no business being a mod. Let alone a "Supadupamod"

just wow! do you remember every one of your posts?

whats the quote button for if not to answer a post. why not quote the words you are bitching about? instead of making all kinds of allegations with no proof. show the good people where i was insulting you. i was saying your words are ridiculous not you.

Well first of all, the whole bit about him being in a cave didn't happen until well after 9/11. He didn't allegedly escape to a cave until after we had already gone into Afghanistan in response to 9/11 and after the allied forces overran Taliban and al-Qaeda positions in December of 2011 during what is now known as The Battle of Tora Bora.

Second the whole notion of thinking we are the most advanced country and military on the planet and therefore it is ridiculous to think a bunch of crazy towel headed terrorists could attack us, is exactly what made it possible for them to attack. The Bush administration had intercepted messages from al-Qaeda indicating they were looking into using commercial planes as weapons, well before 9/11 and dismissed it as not being likely to succeed. That our security was already good enough to prevent it.

Third after the raid where Osama Bin Laden was killed intelligence was revealed that suggested he was never hidden in a cave, ever. That the whole hiding in a cave thing was false information that we bought into. You can't find someone when you're looking in the wrong place.

Lastly the attacks weren't planned and executed in a few days weeks or months, the plans for the attacks first began in 1996. Nor was Bin Laden the only one involved in the planning. He was just the leadership and the financial backer. The actual terrorists who carried out the attack were in the US some as early as the spring of 2000.

The suggestion that this couldn't have happened because Osama was a sick and dying man in a cave shows a total lack of understanding of known facts corroborated by many sources both in and outside of the US and makes it really difficult to take anything you have to say on the matter seriously.

btw the last posts contain more errors and misconceptions.

or would you care to show the evidence that Osama funded this event?

on the other hand i can show you proof that the saudis and one pakistani general were the ones sending the funds for this event.

also you say how they knew all about the people planning to hit the towers with planes but thought it was too impossible or well defended against happening.

well thats more bs, there is footage of bush and others in the gov at the time saying how no one could have ever imagined anyone doing this in their wildest dreams, even though they were training those scenarios regularly.

so how about you stick to the subject matter rather then making cheap shots about my person. it's typical of people who can't discuss or answer the facts to start making disparaging comments about the other party in the discussion to distract from their lack of real answers to most points brought up.

you don't even seem to know the whole official version, let alone all the holes in that story.

 

[Max Headroom]

anyone who thinks that a 'normal' building collapse looks like those on 9/11 has watched way too many movies.

 

[headband 707]

Too bad to all of us these are no longer theories once you watch this you will see just how fucked we all are now that we have let the multinational's do what they have now done. Funny how no one has stopped them and 20 Bankers jumped to their death this month and no one thinks that is crazy? ffs how corrupt is this world now?
Ring of Power (29 Parts) watch that and then get back to me on how well we are all doing lol. Stay frosty headband 707

I think you need to stop the people that are NOW in charge of this fucked up world and start it up again without these asshole ruining EVERYTHING they get their greedy paws on. Nothing will change unless they really are held to account once and for all! ARREST HARPER,OBAMA,QUEEN and all CIA,DEA, and whatever else the USA has .

 

[RoadRash]

I didn't even want to vote, because the binary choice does not reflect reality.

I am a conspiracy Fact-ist. I want to know the factual version of history.


And the official US gov. version of 9-11 has more holes in it than a ton of Swiss Cheese. THAT official US gov. BS about 9-11 is the Mother of all Conspiracy Theories.

 

[waveguide]

So many old timers in Denial...

i'd upgrade that to Active Denial..

it's generally not the people being oppressed that have the leisure to post their POV on the internet. people that have found success through the mechanisms of oppression otoh often have plenty of time to do so.

 

[trichrider]

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[trichrider]

NIST and Nano-thermites by Ryan

Explosion Pages Index

NIST Did Not Test The World Trade Center Debris For Explosives

Editor's Note: Quoted sections from paper:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf

It turns out that explosive, sol-gel nano-thermites were developed by US government scientists, at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories (LLNL) (Tillitson et al 1998, Gash et al 2000, Gash et al 2002).

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Regardless of how thermite materials were installed in the WTC, it is strange that NIST has been so blind to any such possibility. In fact, when reading NIST’s reports on the WTC, and its periodic responses to FAQs from the public, one might get the idea that no one in the NIST organization had ever heard of nano-thermites before. But the truth is, many of the scientists and organizations involved in the NIST WTC investigation were not only well aware of nano-thermites, they actually had considerable connection to, and in some cases expertise in, this exact technology.

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NIST was working with LLNL to test and characterize these sol-gel nanothermites, at least as early as 1999 (Tillitson et al 1999).

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Science Applications International (SAIC) is the DOD and Homeland Security contractor that supplied the largest contingent of non-governmental investigators to the NIST WTC investigation. SAIC has extensive links to nano-thermites, developing and judging nano-thermite research proposals for the military and other military contractors, and developing and formulating nano-thermites directly (Army 2008, DOD 2007).

In an interesting coincidence, SAIC was the firm that investigated the 1993 WTC bombing, boasting that -- “After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, our blast analyses produced tangible results that helped identify those responsible (SAIC 2004).” And the coincidences with this company don’t stop there, as SAIC was responsible for evaluating the WTC for terrorism risks in 1986 as well (CRHC 2008). SAIC is also linked to the late 1990s security upgrades at the WTC, the Rudy Giuliani administration, and the anthrax incidents after 9/11, through former employees Jerome Hauer and Steven Hatfill.

Arden Bement, the metallurgist and expert on fuels and materials who was nominated as director of NIST by President George W. Bush in October 2001, was former deputy secretary of defense, former director of DARPA’s office of materials science, and former executive at TRW.

Of course, DOD and DARPA are both leaders in the production and use of nanothermites (Amptiac 2002, DOD 2005). And military and aerospace contractor TRW has had a long collaboration with NASA laboratories in the development of energetic materials that are components of advanced propellants, like nano-gelled explosive materials (NASA 2001).

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Additionally, Bement was a professor at Purdue and MIT. Purdue has a thriving program for nano-thermites (Son 2008). And interestingly, at MIT’s Institute for Soldier Nanotechnology, we find Martin Z. Bazant, son of notable “conspiracy debunker” Zdenek P. Bazant (MIT 2008), who does research on granular flows, and the electrochemical interactions of silicon. Zdenek P. Bazant is interested in nanocomposites as well (Northwestern 2008), and how they relate to naval warfare (ONR 2008).

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Bement was also a director at both Battelle and the Lord Corporation. Battelle (where the anthrax was made) is an organization of “experts in fundamental technologies from the five National Laboratories we manage or co-manage for the US DOE.” Battelle advertises their specialization in nanocomposite coatings (Battelle 2008). The Lord Corporation also makes high-tech coatings for military applications (Lord 2008). In 1999, Lord Corp was working with the Army and NASA on “advanced polymer composites, advanced metals, and multifunctional materials” (Army 1999).

Hratch Semerjian, long-time director of NIST’s chemical division, was promoted to acting director of NIST in November 2004, and took over the WTC investigation until the completion of the report on the towers. Semerjian is closely linked to former NIST employee Michael Zachariah, perhaps the world’s most prominent expert on nano-thermites (Zachariah 2008).

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(skip) 8 NIST's own center (for study of nano)

As part of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, NIST partners with the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head (NSWC-IH) on Chemical Science and Technology (FLCTT 2008). NSWC-IH is probably the most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology (NSWC 2008).

A tragic coincidence left William Caswell, an employee of NSWC-IH, dead on the plane said to have hit the Pentagon (Flight 77). He had for many years worked on “deep-black” projects at NSWC-IH (Leaf 2007).

 

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[med_breeder]

You see it on the news all the time.

"He was such a great guy, I can't believe he would kill his whole family."

If you live long enough, you will be betrayed by someone that you trust.

I don't know anyone in the Bush administration. Never seen any of them in real life. I know of them simply through their television and internet appearances.

I don't know if they plotted to kill 3,000 people.

My question to those that believe that 9/11 was inside job is:

What would you like me to personally do?

I saw what everyone else saw.
I have no inside info.
I personally know none of the inside players i.e Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, etc

I wasn't there. To the best of my knowledge, none of us were.
Where is this leading? What is the end game?

 

[Green lung]

Where is this leading? What is the end game?

More youtube videos. more posts, some more youtube videos.......more delusion.





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[med_breeder]

9/11 has dominated this tread so far.
What about other conspiracy theories.

Boston bombing, and Sandy Hook.

I don't see how The bombing was an attempt to grab guns. (They used pressure cookers)


And how do you even engage with a person who believes that months after the Sandy Hooks shooting, those "dead" kids were seen singing live at the Superbowl! In front of millions and Millions of people. But they are the only one that noticed.

Also, since the dead kids parents were not crying their eyes out on TV. It had to be fake.

As we all know, there is only one way that all 7 billion plus humans react to a certain situation.

 

[Weird]

im a simple dude and there are many thing I don't know the facts to but there are things that set of my "spidey sense"

here is one

this is a list of pilots on record that questions the events of 9/11 http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

many of them are high ranking US military

see, they are privy to a whole league of information and experience I don't have and they too are dissatisfied with what has been reported

like this guy

Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Aeronautical Engineer
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

 

[hunt4genetics]

Just stating an impression.

This thread seems more like a religious debate.

"9/11 was an inside job."
"Jesus died for your sins."


The consequences of not believing each of the above 2 statements.

Let's start with Jesus.
You don't accept Jesus, you will live a meaningless life, of pain and needless hardship.
Ultimately being separated from God. Being condemned to an eternity in the lake of fire. Where the worms never die.

If you don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job, you are just a sheep, who drink their diet coke, eat their GMO food, watch American Idol, worship celebrities, and will ultimately end up in a FEMA camp.


Similarities?

 

[headband 707]

Not just old timers bra many young ppl don't seem to know what's what and as far as I can see they don't care either. Can't say I blame them life is so short and fleeting why think about who is doing what when you can't change a fucking thing? I am personally very tried of talking about how fucked up it all is without being able to stop whoever these assholes are..imvho nothing will change until these assholes are gone and have zero power to change anything in this already fucked up world. end of rant stay frosty headband 707

i'd upgrade that to Active Denial..

it's generally not the people being oppressed that have the leisure to post their POV on the internet. people that have found success through the mechanisms of oppression otoh often have plenty of time to do so.

 

[Weird]

im a simple dude and there are many thing I don't know the facts to but there are things that set of my "spidey sense"

here is one

this is a list of pilots on record that questions the events of 9/11 http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

many of them are high ranking US military

see, they are privy to a whole league of information and experience I don't have and they too are dissatisfied with what has been reported

like this guy

Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Aeronautical Engineer
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

comment on this post boys

maybe you can debunk why the people I am referring to hold no weight in this "debate"