Don't complicate things

[Lacroix]

Putting the diy soil outside will be a good start. My feeling is if your asking the diffrence between bottled organic and general hydroponics you havnt done nearly enough research into how a true living, organically derived soil works. The diy kit is just that. Who ever put it together has gotten it to work well enough to sell and profit of of those result. With a little thought and reading you should be able to fully utilize it.

My question is did you let it cook at all? What size conatiners did u use how long did u bubble your tea. What ratio did u amend with? Other people can cover this better than I can.

I just have a feeling and I think u would agree u may be in over your head.

Did you seek the retailers help in concluding what went wrong?

Waaay over my head... Well maybe not waaay, never mind yes waaay. And yes I got the retailers help as I mentioned he was very helpful. I did cook the soil about two weeks it got quite hot. I started in 10 gallon pots then stared fucking with it waaay too much. I finally have em looking healthy and am in happy frog and a little perlite. Water only at the moment. This has been a great learning lesson, The good news is I still have all my super soil compost teas and brewer. I'm going to get dirty learning this process on my vegetable garden this summer. My first ever romaine lettuce just sprouted.I'll have some kick ass food and soil for the next round.

 

[Lacroix]

PS.. I think I'm going to just use roots organic in the bottles for these girls. Not to change my thread but any thoughts on Roots Organic nutes?

 

[LBOrganic]

Im no expert but from my experiences so far your plants are gonna do just about as good as your soil is..when it comes to the true living organic methods. If you dont have good EWC then you better be brewing some good teas and you should anyway really.. I think the trickiest part of ROLS for me is watering.. i know i wanna keep the soil fairly moist but while doing that you have to be careful not to water log ur soil...

I finally did a plant with a nice thick mulch layer and i think it really helps with this type of growing..should of listened the first 10000 times i herd people say that on this site..

 

[h.h.]

You still have your super soil teas? Is this what you're calling DIY?
DIY some compost. Leave the super teas to superman.
I've used HF with GH ferts in the past with pretty good results. I've chosen to go a more sustainable route.
Good luck on the garden. It was the marijuana fields in northern cal that started the current organic movement as we know it and it's the marijuana that got many folks like us interested in growing good food. Visions of the Whole Earth catalog dancing in my head.
There is so much more to it than pulling a bottle off of the shelf. When it comes to nature, don't try to lead. Follow. It's so much simpler.

 

[Lacroix]

You still have your super soil teas? Is this what you're calling DIY?
DIY some compost. Leave the super teas to superman.
I've used HF with GH ferts in the past with pretty good results. I've chosen to go a more sustainable route.
Good luck on the garden. It was the marijuana fields in northern cal that started the current organic movement as we know it and it's the marijuana that got many folks like us interested in growing good food. Visions of the Whole Earth catalog dancing in my head.
There is so much more to it than pulling a bottle off of the shelf. When it comes to nature, don't try to lead. Follow. It's so much simpler.

Actually I was calling my soil DIY. My teas I got from eureka springs Organics. His mixes are really very good. I wish I was in northern Cali for so many reasons.... My girls are lookin good and I'm eager to work with the roots Organics stuff.... Thanks for all the advices folks

 

[h.h.]

and there ya go folks.
Your advice is good. "Think twice".
Saying that the mixes are "really very good", yet... "For us small scale home growers I don't think these compost tea brewers are worth the time, effort or certainly the money", contradicts itself. Besides, it's too broad a statement based on a very small sampling.The size of your grow really doesn't matter either.
I've yet to invest in an expensive pump as others here have and as such, I'm sure my teas aren't near as good, yet I'll swear by them. especially at the price. Compost and a little bit of molasses. Compost is free. If you want to spend money buy a good pump, not packaged up compost. I'm sorry man. That's just silly. Did they sell you some ground up charcoal with it?

Gotta get down to it. Soldiers are cutting us down.NY

 

[pseudostelariae]

and there ya go folks.
Your advice is good. "Think twice".
Saying that the mixes are "really very good", yet... "For us small scale home growers I don't think these compost tea brewers are worth the time, effort or certainly the money", contradicts itself. Besides, it's too broad a statement based on a very small sampling.The size of your grow really doesn't matter either.
I've yet to invest in an expensive pump as others here have and as such, I'm sure my teas aren't near as good, yet I'll swear by them. especially at the price. Compost and a little bit of molasses. Compost is free. If you want to spend money buy a good pump, not packaged up compost. I'm sorry man. That's just silly. Did they sell you some ground up charcoal with it?

Gotta get down to it. Soldiers are cutting us down.NY

what's contradictory about acknowledging the merits and realities of different methods and individual grower's capabilities? something can be recognized as 'good' without it being the end-all method for everyone. not everyone has the time or space to compost enough to maintain a grow at home. consider a small apt grower with more responsibilities than just growing pot.

can't help but notice it's never quite DIY, cheap, or organic enough around here. apparently only pleb nerds buy stuff. anyway, i'm off to go harvest and/or mine my own alfalfa, kelp, oysters, feathers, blood, bone, minerals, peat, and worm castings so i can get things rockin for the next grow lol

 

[bigshrimp]

Living soil without good compost is tough to impossible - i would find space for a worm bin.

AACT and vermiculture would be my #1 priority if i was starting from scratch. No matter the size of the space i had.

pseudo - i agree the tone around here is a little high and mighty sometimes but there is much to be said for DIY. I have learned soo much more doing it myself than i ever would have buying what i needed.

If people have the time and curiosity we should always encourage DIY.

 

[Team.Lift]

I think what h.h. said is on point. Especially "leave the super teas to superman"... that was funny. And he did literally contradict himself. But I'm sure h.h. has done this himself once or twice in life...

I will say the tone taken was a bit abrasive. In order to change someones perspective, we should all be aware that respect is key in that equation. I cant say "hey dummy, great job quitting, go back to the hydro store and spend your whole paycheck." and have Lacroix take me as someone that wants to help.

That said, I respect the fact the Lacroix has been here and sharing his side. We should not jump down the mans throat just because he may not be catching the bus with everyone at the same time. You will do fine dude.
Many people know` well enough how annoying it can be to listen to people be all fuckin heroic about their use of certain amendments. The "church of ROLS". That was my favorite.

 

[h.h.]

I think what h.h. said is on point. Especially "leave the super teas to superman"... that was funny. And he did literally contradict himself. But I'm sure h.h. has done this himself once or twice in life...

I will say the tone taken was a bit abrasive. In order to change someones perspective, we should all be aware that respect is key in that equation. I cant say "hey dummy, great job quitting, go back to the hydro store and spend your whole paycheck." and have Lacroix take me as someone that wants to help.

That said, I respect the fact the Lacroix has been here and sharing his side. We should not jump down the mans throat just because he may not be catching the bus with everyone at the same time. You will do fine dude.
Many people know` well enough how annoying it can be to listen to people be all fuckin heroic about their use of certain amendments. The "church of ROLS". That was my favorite.

Apologies to the OP my rant was not meant to be directed in his direction. It took me a lot of experimenting before realizing what I don't know and I still don't know what I don't know.
My rant was about the promotion and misrepresentation of specific products that lead the user into believing similar amendments are a waste of time and money. People come to this site for knowledge, not to be mislead.

 

[Microbeman]

It was the marijuana fields in northern cal that started the current organic movement as we know it

Just a slightly tongue in cheek comment; I heard it was a dude in Canada in the late
80s/early 90s that began the 100% organic, living soil commercial production of medical grade cannabis. Wasn't there a blurb about this guy in Skunk Vol1 issue 2. I heard he shared his techniques with some CA dreamers.

 

[Lacroix]

Apologies to the OP my rant was not meant to be directed in his direction. It took me a lot of experimenting before realizing what I don't know and I still don't know what I don't know.
My rant was about the promotion and misrepresentation of specific products that lead the user into believing similar amendments are a waste of time and money. People come to this site for knowledge, not to be mislead.

No need to apologize but thanks, I understood what you were saying. I jumped head deep in to act's and DIY soils etc. I don't regret it al all. I have learned a ton in a very short time.

I think anyone can grow any way they want. I assure you there's someone growing hydro who has danker buds than someone growing Organic who has danker nugs than someone growing in coco who has nugs danker than whoever.... Bottom line is to learn from what your plants are telling you and enjoy the process.

Fuck all the high and mighty! Well not the high....

 

[h.h.]

Just a slightly tongue in cheek comment; I heard it was a dude in Canada in the late
80s/early 90s that began the 100% organic, living soil commercial production of medical grade cannabis. Wasn't there a blurb about this guy in Skunk Vol1 issue 2. I heard he shared his techniques with some CA dreamers.

I know organic cannabis was being grown the Big Sur area in the early 70's.
The first push for medical in California was in the mid to late 70's.

Now a living soil commercial operation?
Probably the Canadian son of a draft dodger from Frisco...

 

[h.h.]

No need to apologize but thanks, I understood what you were saying. I jumped head deep in to act's and DIY soils etc. I don't regret it al all. I have learned a ton in a very short time.

I think anyone can grow any way they want. I assure you there's someone growing hydro who has danger buds than someone growing Organic who has danger nugs than someone growing in coco who has nugs danker than whatever.... Bottom line is to learn from what your plants are telling you and enjoy the process.

Fuck all the high and mighty! Well not the high....

Head deep in the soil is the best way to learn.
I was slammed when I first came to this forum. I had been in the process of trying different formulations from the hydro shops. Some worked pretty darn good. You could grow a good crop, throw everything away and start again. Happy Frog is designed to provide nutrients for x amount of time and then you throw it away.
If you use NPK chemical fertilizers, you ruin your soil and end up tossing it. To me it's more a matter of sustainability and trying to leave a smaller footprint. I leave a big enough print already.
Using organic nutrients depends on life in the soil. Many of the formulations have added beneficial microlife. You add some life every time you use them. ACT adds a thriving community. In a living soil, this becomes somewhat redundant. You already have a thriving community. The smaller the pot, the more important it becomes.
The best ACT comes from fresh compost, EWC, and molasses.
The organic fertilizers at Lowes or Home Depot (Kelloggs and Epsoma) are as good as most.

 

[Team.Lift]

"Bottom line is to learn from what your plants are telling you and enjoy the process. "

Thank you.

 

[h.h.]

Enjoy what nature is telling you and employ the process.

 

[h.h.]

Doing a little Googling on commercial grow operations in Canada. It lead me to WTF. Happy April Fool's day. What are they doing to you?
http://www.cannabisculture.com/cont...Plant-Systems-Medical-Marijuana-Monopoly-Back

 

[Mikell]

What are you talking about?

I can't wait to get me some of that CanniMed® 9.9, of course after I dispose of this inferior MMAR product. I mean really, smoking unradiated cannabis? What is this, the stone ages?