Why pot should be decriminalized but never smoked: question your beliefs starting now

[Weird]

The guy is contradicting his own doctrine

Why cannabis legalization vs. decriminilization is disasterous for the global economy

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=119598

I wrote this back in 09

what I would add is that the classes (middle and Lower class Americans) that traditionally profit from these markets will lose this income stream as government taxes and big business displaces competition in the market

one of the last methods for these classes to be able to survive

i think we need more than one market for redundancy but this is discussed in the thread

 

[Weird]

one of the biggest issues with full blown rec legalization is that med is eliminated

the real crime lies here

legalization was supposed to be about getting medicine to the people

how are meds going to be subsidized by insurances or sold at reasonable prices when the recreational model had it at 600 an ounce when they first opened?

imho after having some time to watch things mature i think there should be a legal medical market and decriminalized recreational model on a FEDERAL level

states should be able to decide their own fate but I think medical should be federally recognized but states should govern the law regarding it

this servers several purposes

it allows individual regions to design programs that best work with their demographic

I love grower to patient models because it puts the patient in front of the producer reducing the costs of multiple entities within the supply chain

it also allows the producer to have a human connection which helps ensure integrity

it also allows many people to help many people, it seems to empower the most people who need it

small time producers and sick people

but it would also allow bigger states to create programs that could meet their particular needs as well

as far as profiteering and monopolizing the rec market decriminalization could act as a method to keep any entity from capitalizing on cultivation on a federal level.

each state would have its own governance and the benefit is each state could create a socially agriculturally and economically appropriate solution for their needs

the PEOPLE should benefit from legalization or decriminalization the same segment that was punished by prohibition

not he .01% or any government

as i discuss in the link i provided (iirc) that having a legal and a "black" market provides fiscal redundancy

legalization will undermine this and the money spent by the people will go to the 1% (big corporations government and the .01% driving them) and not the 99% that is seeing their share of the pie vanish at an alarming rate

 

[TheCleanGame]

how are meds going to be subsidized by insurances or sold at reasonable prices when the recreational model had it at 600 an ounce when they first opened?

I don't see it happening.

What I see happening is the price of cannabis going down... waaaaaaay down. It literally costs less than $100/mo to grow a personal supply of cannabis with a 400w lamp and that's several ounces. When the commercial outdoor growing begins, all this indoor lighting stuff will be for the birds... and for the ultra-premium, clean cannabis.

Cannabis should be cheap, glad we're seeing the inroads beginning to that end.

Keep it Clean!

 

[theJointedOne]

what a bs article

 

[Weird]

I don't see it happening.

What I see happening is the price of cannabis going down... waaaaaaay down. It literally costs less than $100/mo to grow a personal supply of cannabis with a 400w lamp and that's several ounces. When the commercial outdoor growing begins, all this indoor lighting stuff will be for the birds... and for the ultra-premium, clean cannabis.

Cannabis should be cheap, glad we're seeing the inroads beginning to that end.

Keep it Clean!

the people who grow their own is a very small segment of the smoker population

many sick people have less physical/mental capacity and money to provide for themselves

over the counter drugs are not subsidized which is why many manufactures fight to have theirs meds OTC

in the end sick people get marginalized

people talk about cheap weed but in the legal and med markets the only cheap numbers are what wholesalers are willing to pay people hard cropping the same genes outdoors

dispensaries are paying less but is the average med patient paying 100$ an ounce?

in colorado it was up to 600 when it went legal

thats some heady meds right there

 

[TheCleanGame]

the people who grow their own is a very small segment of the smoker population

many sick people have less physical/mental capacity and money to provide for themselves

You missed the point, not your fault as I still have clarity issues. lol

What I meant to get across is that the moment RJ Reynolds and the like start farming 150,000 acre plots of cannabis... the price is going to drop significantly.

The ONLY thing keeping prices where they are right now is continued prohibition by the Feds and other states. Once the black market is gone the price is going to plummet and a lot of people are going to lose their shirts.

There will always be a market for high quality smokeables grown indoor...

Medicinal use? Most medicinal use has nothing to do with smoking so highly filtered extract from outdoor is supremely acceptable, as long as there aren't any pesticides and crap to concentrate in it.

You have any idea how cheap a gallon of extract is going to be when there are 10 Million plus acres of cannabis being grown in the US?

Step further out of the box and take another look.

Keep it Clean!

 

[shawkmon]

Food makes people fat and lazy. I can over generalize too!

MAKE FOOD ILLEGAL !!!

 

[oldchuck]

You have any idea how cheap a gallon of extract is going to be when there are 10 Million plus acres of cannabis being grown in the US?


Keep it Clean!

And this is why legal weed and small scale home growers must have big pharma terrified. Weed will be very difficult for them to monetize if anybody can grow their own meds. In my opinion wide spread medical use of weed could cut big pharma profits in half. I think they know it too.

Politically, I think the big corporations will do their damnedest to keep Cannabis scheduled, controlled and out of the hands of home or small time growers. This is the biggest threat. Already I read than in Illinois the pharmacists are lobbying to be the exclusive sellers of medical weed. Keeping the right to home grow is critical and to hell with plant counts.

 

[heatherlonglee]

That link is to web site garbage! Just like the first lines of the postings here. A few facts and the rest just tactics, manipulational, and semi fictional trash! Way to many links to junk products on that web page for me to ever take it seriously. The moment I start reading basic principles misunderstood; that even the most simple minded of us know to to be true, I disregard everything said as useless. If I'm going to have to sift through facts and falsities, I can do that on my own without authors opinions.

 

[soil margin]

NaturalNews) Supporting the decriminalization of pot does not mean supporting its recreational consumption. Let's be honest about pot's effects on people who smoke it regularly: first it makes them dull, then apathetic, and finally stupid. With enough repeated use, recreational pot use turns intelligent, productive people into unmotivated stoners.

#1 way to get me to never take you seriously: Make blanket generalizations about huge, diverse groups of people while providing zero evidence to back up any of your claims.

Lazy stupid people can use cannabis as a reason for their shortcomings, but you could also blame alcohol, cheetos, gambling, prostitution or daytime television and be just as correct.

I hear a lot of people say they were not able to adequately manage their life while using cannabis on a regular basis. I believe them, and I feel sorry for them, but I'm not going to take responsibility for their problems. Your inability to use cannabis responsibly does not equal my inability to use cannabis responsibly.

Personally I can't use cocaine or ecstasy responsibly. Doing it once a month would turn into once a week which would turn into doing it everyday. I'm happy to take responsibility for that and admit that it's a personal problem that many other people might not share. My friend can go out and party on MDMA twice a month without it impacting his job or his personal life. I don't have his level of self-control, so I restrict myself to zero usage. I'm not going to start a crusade telling every stranger on the internet that they aren't smart enough to use a drug responsibly just I can't.

If people can use caffeine, alcohol and tobacco in responsible manners, there is no reason to believe that cannabis, cocaine and ecstasy can't be used following a similar set of guidelines.

 

[LayedBack]

So wait, he's trying to convince people that marijuana users are stupid... by making a broad sweeping negative generalization of an entire group of people? Gee willikers, that just don't sound right to me.