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Border Haze and Sativa Loco **Test Grow**

stihgnobevoli

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Welcome back ladies and germs, today i'm testing out Border Haze and Sativa Loco from Aliendawg (Cannafornia Seeds).

Border Haze is (Super Silver HazexGolden Mexican Sativa(GMS=oaxacaxpakistanixdurban)
Sativa Loco is (80's Sativa(Unknown80's Sativa"lol")xGolden Mexican Sativa[which is up there ^^^])

I'll be growing 12/12 from seed, which when i say it means i'm gonna veg em 16+hours for 2 weeks(45wCFL) before throwing em in flower cuz i don't have room for all that stretching. I'm gonna keep em under a 70watt HPS for the first 65%-70% of flower then i'm gonna switch it out for a 100watt MH.
For media i'm on my second run in CocoGanics as i'm going to call it...from now on lol...Mix is 50%+ coco from a brick, didn't rinse it, not gonna be doing hydro style so i give a fuck about a pH. the other 50%or less of the mix is about 35%worm castings from wriggle worm, or whatever that shit's called with the farmer on the bag. the last 15% is perlite and my amendments.

amendments are garden lime (espoma's the shit), bone meal, azomite, jamaican guano, and...um... i think that's all i used this time. i then took that mix and mixed it in with my mix from last time which was still composting and was pretty much the same mix but maybe a little more perlite than i used this time.
my calculations tell me that all the shit i added in the ratios i added them (sorry guys i didn't follow/make a recipe mostly recommended doses or adjustments to the ratios from last round) this should be enough to get through the grow using mostly water and molasses, maybe a tiny application of bottled organics (only got 2 bottles really. alaska fish and alaska kelp) should there be an emergency need.

...what else should you know...oh yeah my cab is roughly 3sqft i think is what the math worked out to. 22"x22"x36"(lwh) i'll be growing in 1qt i think is what the math worked out to be. 6"square tapered pots. somewhere between 1-2qts as my final container. Since i only have 36 inches, 32 realistically to play with i'm trying to keep em short. they're both sativa strains and i wanna try and run all my test grows untopped "but if it has to happen, it's happnin' simple as that."

oh yeah one more thing, this is a hardmode production so if you're faint of heart, easily offended, or like to offer unsolicited "advice" save yourself the 5 clicks it's gonna take you to leave me neg rep and just leave now. :tiphat:

On with the show.

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On or about Jan1 of the year of the borg 2014 i dropped 3x sativa loco, and 3x border haze in 2x shotglasses with funny shit on em and added half a shot of plain ol' flawda tap woah'ta to em and gently massaged the seeds under the surface so as to get them clean. then i waited. i went to work and came home and smoked weed and played battlefield3 for like 1 day and by the time i got home from work the next day. tadaaaa all 6 had cracked and had tails poking.

2 more days later (day 3.5) all were up except one guy wamp wamp wamp. oh well.

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I immediately potted them into these little awesome 4inch square things they fit awesome in the 6" pots when i transplant. after about 3 more days we have this shit. that fucking growth is hands down and i'm not even lying the fastest seedling growth i have ever experienced. i dunno if it's this strain or just the coco, my mix or the lavish dose of Mykos Brand Mycorrhizae(might be this, shits fkn awsm) . i have 3 more seeds, next time i'll sprout em in plain old peat mix.

i see you notice those nute burned leaves, good eye. it's not too hot, i've found in my brief usage of coco that when the shit starts drying out the pH swings crazy hard. fuckin hank aaron. i'm still learning how to water coco so it's not overwatered or too dry. fuckin learning curve is wicked. but i'm gettin there. HardMode all day errr'day.

BorderHz=GREEN sticks / S.Loco=BLUE sticks. S.Loco is about 1 day ahead of the BHz even though the haze all had tails when i put em in and the SL only were cracked. dramatic growth on the SL.

...so yeah that was week one from seed.
 

stihgnobevoli

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This was sometime during the second week. After the last pictures, but before the end of week 2.

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I'm already loving the structure on these Haze's i REALLY love the short one on the left. look at those leaves on em. crazy.

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These ones are from somewhere between the middle of week2 and the middle of week 3

of to a decent start, have managed to not overwater, and not underwater so far. the S.Loco are starting to stretch and i have to pinch them to keep them from going out of control.

anyway...that was week 2.
 

stihgnobevoli

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Middle to end section of week 3 from the seeds. these S.Loco are some hungry bitches. not even 4 weeks and they've depleted the mix. i transplanted them into the final containers after this picture shoot. Oh yeah. both Girls.
The BorderHz so far are very uniform, the sativa loco while looking very similar are 2 different phenos. the BHz shows 2-3. 2 are almost identical and then there's the one i'm in love with. i mean seriously LOOK AT THOSE LEAVES! :cathug:

unfortunately they are looking like they might be male. i'm hoping for a girl to test.

anyway. that's week 3.
 

stihgnobevoli

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i guess i only took 5 pictures in week 4 ... that's all i uploaded... musta been when the trouble began.

so anyway get this, i think i've got this watering coco shit down, i made sure to only water a little bit at a time till the roots spread into the new mix, i'm talking about the S.Loco now. i broke the roots apart when i transplanted unlike last run when i forgot and the roots never really spread into the new mix when i transplanted. i ended up with stunted plants which while great could have been even greater had i known they were rootbound and being overwatered.
so anyways the SL looked wilted after transplant, normal. but then 3 days later still looking weak. /sadface. i decide to let em dry out some so that the roots can grow into the new soil, must still be too wet.

The BHz on the other hand...this is funny lemme tell ya. so in all my years and hundred(s?) by now plants they always look a certain way right before they show sex. females spread the topmost fanleaves out and the next shoot usually has the leave pressed together and pointing straight up like praying hands. the males on the other hand spread the top fanleaves almost straight out and the top shoot usually has what i call a "crown" on it. like when you see the top of a dandelion before it opens
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so anyway i was facing an unprecedented ALL males from a seed pop. usually get one girl.
but lately(last couple years really) my luck has been really good. i get mostly girls. out of say lets call it 50 (it's more than that closer to 75-100)for a nice round number, seeds i've popped i've gotten 7 *real number here* males.

so 3 males i figure it's just that time.

nope. chuck motherfuckin testa. "well shit my mouth" (i actually said that out loud) the streak continues.

which obviously made me ecstatic...look at my baby.

So yeah that was week 4. as you can see they are healthy and happy. i think i finally got this watering coco shit down. haven't had to feed em yet either. just plain water and molasses.

I didn't take any pictures from end of week 4 through end of week 5 so i'll just tell you what happened.
I transplanted the BHz into their final containers and made sure i didn't make the same mistakes as when i transplanted the S.Loco i only watered the top part the first time after transplant instead of the whole pot like when i did the SL.

The S.Loco continued to look shitty and stretched. a LOT. one of em doubled in size the other one just about 30%-40% or so. that's how i know they're 2 phenos...well besides the leaves lol.

the BHz are smiling.
 

stihgnobevoli

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So here we are now at middle of week 6 from seed.

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these motherfuckers are like goldilocks with the soil, this one's too hot...

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this one's too cold


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but this one... my baby is juuuuuust right. don't mind those battle scars. had a run in with a fan blade. lived to tell the tale.

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This is all the BHz. all still uniform in height, the reason they look a little taller or shorter is because of how i transplanted em, pushed them down to varying levels depending on how the roots were lookin.

still goin 6 weeks from seed. had a refresh on nutes when the transplant. fed em all with a half strength dose of the recommended dose of kelp on the label. watching and seeing if i need anything more. it was more of a precautionary measure for these. I was using it mostly to aid in the recovery of the S.Loco.


oh yeah ...forgot to mention...these are only 6 inches tall!!! OMG i'm so in love i hope the smoke is there.
 

stihgnobevoli

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Aight now don't laugh...or laugh whatever idgaf lol. but under no circumstances fill my inbox with your suggestions on what i should do to fix it or the tents and 600 watters i should get next time.

So turns out i wasn't overwatering so much as i was underwatering. lol. when i took one out of the pot to see what the drizzle, i see that the roots are pretty much fully in the new mix but it's only "damp" here i was thinking the shit was still wet in the middle. Went straight from the initial overwater to explosive root growth to underwatered.

hope to get it sorted but those leaves are gonna be ugly. deal with it. also stunted the growth a bit stretched em out some. but we persevere. for science...

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imma call the short one #1, and imma call the tall one #2. simple, i no rite?

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SL#2 this one i already know i'm gonna have to either top or supercrop. stretched way too much and it's gonna stretch even more once it's back to normal.

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SL#1 didn't get too crazy on me, it most likely won't stretch too much more

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like my photoshop skills? rule#1 no identifying features in pics.

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this...is just a pic of the leaf from BHz#3 (the one i said was too hot) i love those leaves. i wonder which parent they get it from. i'm gonna guess the golden sativa. it's the only thing in common between the two strains. can't see it on the S.Loco but one has identical leaves.

anyway we're all caught up. see you next time i remember to update.

Peace.
 

stihgnobevoli

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glad to have ya, hope you learn from my mistakes.

oh yeah... that 6th seed. ...i found it on week 5 when i transplanted the BHz into final pots.

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it was in the dirt which i recycle.

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tried to save it but it was not meant to be.

110% germ rate lol?
 

DamnUglyDogE

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Sup,Stihgnobevoli...

Looks like your putting them thru their paces... Solid!
Dig the coco mix and looks like you have a handle on the watering...

That SL is a crazy bitch that really need a good topping and hella lot of pinching to keep controlled... Your going to want to watch for stressed induced nanners unless your looking for some femz... But SL would not be my 1st choice for that... Root bound,topping in flower,under/over watered,heat stress... That's how I flipped my 1st crack at them. Of course I have yet to confirm any of this and have only seen 1 flip but figure it's better to be on the safe side and keep an eye out...

Im just sayen...:biggrin: Shes Mexican and spicy.... :hotbounce
Your going to love her smoke if your into the Mexican Sativa's...
Work er hard but keep an eye on her...


Now the Border Haze on the other hand...
She is my baby... I love this strain... For me...She was been a joy to work with and im hooked on her flavors and highs for sure... Glad to see your enjoying her as well....

Dig ya style man... Work em like they owe ya $ and they will pay ya,with goodness!

Im a be lurking ova on a bucket,jar in hard...

Thanks for working them...:smokeit:
 

stihgnobevoli

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Thanks for stopping by alien. i'm glad you're here because i'm not sure i labeled em right. do they look right? the hazes as short plants and the sativa loco is a wild stretchy plant? I was trying to keep these bitches pretty the whole run but shit happens. shit happens much faster in micro. i think i got it under control but they prolly wont be looking too pretty for a couple weeks to a month. kinda hungry and the pH is off and this is the most crucial time... tsk tsk tsk. i still got 3 more seeds and i'll clone em and run em again if i'm not satisfied with the results as i usually do.

love sativa's , i'll grow anything at least once. but if it can't take a little stress then i'm of the opinion they don't need to be in the garden. what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger and proves you're a winner. i'm sure you only want winners right?
 

DamnUglyDogE

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Thanks for stopping by alien. i'm glad you're here because i'm not sure i labeled em right. do they look right? the hazes as short plants and the sativa loco is a wild stretchy plant?

You can really see the male GMS leaves (Jagged edge)came through in all he touched... His body odor/sweet musk smell came through as well...

After looking a few time im a thinking your on point with the 3 shorts looking Border Haze... Kind of hard to tell which claw is which...haha..


I was trying to keep these bitches pretty the whole run but shit happens. shit happens much faster in micro. i think i got it under control but they prolly wont be looking too pretty for a couple weeks to a month. kinda hungry and the pH is off and this is the most crucial time... tsk tsk tsk. i still got 3 more seeds and i'll clone em and run em again if i'm not satisfied with the results as i usually do.

Been there a time or 2 myself...
I started with CLFs myself,not so long ago...
Though not quite micro...lol I went 5'ers and came away with fluff...ops... Digs me some CFLs in VEG and might Micro during off seasons...(summer)

I would (after stretch) pull the claws and let the new growth work on swellege and not repair but do as you do and I'll be smoken as I smoke and just be a lurking...


love sativa's , i'll grow anything at least once. but if it can't take a little stress then i'm of the opinion they don't need to be in the garden. what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger and proves you're a winner. i'm sure you only want winners right?

I find clones grow better than seed moms so If you give it another go,you will find it a different experience having a better idea of their likes and dis-likes... Your right about only the strong need apply...
That's whats great about sending tester packs... Totally different paths to nirvana... Some with paved roads and other straight dirt...:biggrin: Bumps or no... My bitches betta work and bring home that cheddar!!! (Or) Find themselves popping out some birds butt... haha..
 

stihgnobevoli

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oaky joe. i didn't veg em... or i vegged em for 4-5 weeks. depends on your perspective really. for the sativa loco (just eyeballs here) i would say the #1 pheno stretched about 75% the #2 pheno 100% - 120% little more than doubled. it's at about 20 inches+ now. i would say it was around 8-10 inches when it started full on flowering.

i started them under 24/0 for the first 2 weeks before i put em in 12/12. i do this to reduce the stretch. plants are going to be in veg til they reach sexual maturity regardless of if you start em 12/12 or 24/0. if you start 12/12 though they will both veg and stretch at the same time till they sex. once they sex they slow down and stop stretching usually about 2-4 weeks after they show. depends on strain and conditions. well fed plants stretch less for instance.
so depending on how you look at it. i say i vegged em for 2 weeks. or technically they were vegging for about 5 weeks till they showed sex. the S.Loco showed in about 3.5 weeks. the BHaze i couldn't tell for sure till about week4.


@alien
they're already bouncing back. leaves are looking better and i see the pistils are exploding again. BHz stretched a little more since i took those pics. the tallest one is just under 13 inches and the shortest one (delilah? that name just popped in my head lol) is just at 9-9.5 inches. pistils are shooting all over, the #1 delilah is a rounded top indica looking bud structure. #2,#3 are pine cone in shape. already starting to fill in despite this only being 2 weeks since they started to bloom.
the S.Loco are recovering. the #1 (shorti) is filling in real good. can barely tell they suffered a major ph swing that fried most of the lower fans and then a drought that clawed all the rest. #2 slowly bouncing back. the lower growth is taking off. gonna wait to see if i should prune it or let it go.

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S.Loco #1(shorti) on left / #2 on right.


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BHz #1(delilah), #2, #3 all numbered by height really.

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delilah

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S.Loco (shorti)

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this is the top of #2. this is weird to me, looks like a male/hermie flower pattern, this is why i thought they would all be male. never seen it before on a full girl.
 

stihgnobevoli

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oh yeah, got a trip outta town next month for a few days. picked up a pack of these shits from ebay. they're like blumat Jr's. i plopped em in last night for a test run right before lights out. i filled a res with about 3 cups of water and let em do their thing. came back this morning. 2 plants were flooded. 2 were ok, and one was looking overwatered. but as you can see in the pics. nothing detrimental. i think maybe the hoses were up too high or some shit. says the water level should be below the top of the little spike. i dunno if they mean the line leading to the plant or the water in the res.
bought a shallow container filled it with some water and kelp. gonna go out for the evening, hopefully i don't come back to a horrific mess. i really need these to work lol.
 

stihgnobevoli

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i'm afraid i don't speak that language sir.

had to leave town for a couple weeks, left my plants in the care of those "booMats" not too shabby. the plants really needed a bit more water but these things kept my plants alive for 2 weeks and didn't make a shitty wet mess everywhere so that's good.

everything looks worse, but they're all still alive. and somehow actually thriving. little def's here and there but nothing that can't be fixed in a short time. the roots in the S.Loco exploded out the bottom of the pots and while looking dingy white are still not too bad. weren't suffocating. more underwatered than anything.

the BHz on the other hand are looking various shades of merely OK. one was really dry. but they all survived. it's only week 4 of flower so we should be alright.

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S.Loco the #1shorti on left/ #2 on right.

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BHz delilah/#2/#3 everyone is having issues. the #3 the worse with those mag defs. all show a mit of mag def and K def. the #2/3 too much nitrogen. all from the underwatering , need more mag all around anyway though.

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S.Loco#2 / the smells haven't really started coming out on any of em yet but this one here. smells wonderful. just like ripe mango. i hope it keeps the smell.

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shorti / this one i can faintly smell a floral arrangement.

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BHz #3 / this one has smelled like pine cones and cheese since early flower when you rub the stem i'm interested to see is that keeps up.
 
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BHz #2 / doesn't like all this nitrogen. i think the buds are gonna be a little more airy in this one because of that.

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lastly we have my lil darlin delilah. i knew she was special from the beginning, even if she was a male i would have used the pollen.

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showing a bit of K def, this thing really wants to push out flowers. you show off those tits baby. looks like i might have stumbled across the ALL BUD! pheno.

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not much smell yet. too much nitrogen, or maybe just not enough K. gonna give em all a good feeding in the morning.
 

DamnUglyDogE

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You may not vote on any more threads today

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That's going to be one fat bud "darlin delilah" Nice!

Great work on the feed reports.. Keep em coming... Pure gold...:biggrin:
 
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