are you a "conspiracy theorist"?

[trichrider]

Flight 77 was a Boeing 757-223.

and instead of pics of that how about lining up all the surviving family members of the 59 innocent victims of that crash and you try convincing them that it was a missile strike and not the plane that their loved ones were on. I'd love to see that one.

and what happened to the 59 innocents? assassinated by the govt? where? how? or 59 people suddenly/randomly in fed witness protection? not.

and what about the insurance claim made by American Airlines for the loss of their plane? don't you think if this theory of a missile had any bite to it the insurance companies would be all over it to deny the claim. Or are they in on it too? And same goes for all the damage claims/wrongful death claims made.


The amount of people having to be involved in a conspiracy this HUGE would be astronomical, and not a single Snowden amongst them???

I don't believe that crap for a second.......

studious perusal of this video should straighten your hair out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkfMuvVuETQ

you and hempcat must have both ignored this video. the perpetrators are one and the same...government is business is government, regulating itself, play along or you're gone. no loose ends....except for some people like snowden.

 

[gaiusmarius]

again the missile strike strawman? you do realize that many family members are part of the groups wanting a new investigation.

the things you post above shows me that you didnt really investigate what the pilots, architects and engineers for 911 truth are actually saying. much investigation has been done and all your or lets say most of the questions you raise above have been dealt with. why not immerse yourself in that pentogon investigation film for the 1 and a half hours it takes and then see if you are still as sure about the official version of events that day as you seem to be now. why is it the 5 of the 911 commissioners have doubts but you don't?

the one question i really have no answer to is what happened to the people in that plane, but if you gonna kill 3k, i guess 59 more will not stop you. but there again we do know that no passenger lists have been shown with the alleged hijackers on it, no ticket stubs, and no footage of them boarding any of the 4 planes. the only footage we have of a couple of them is them boarding their previous flight. with all the cameras in airports how is it possible? also why is all the pentagon footage being hidden? if what they say happened whats the harm in letting the 84 films from cameras in the area be seen by everyone?

 

[Stoner4Life]

Who cares about the Pentagon plane? Forget the damn Pentagon plane. Assume it WAS a plane which crashed, and WAS piloted by hijackers. OK? Can we get past that? Now look at all the OTHER, MUCH MORE OBVIOUS flaws in the government's story, and let's have a real discussion. Building 7...explain THAT! Its collapse was reported on live TV 20 before it even happened....explain THAT! The government office that housed documentation of TRILLIONS of dollars in missing funds....was the exact target hit by the Pentagon plane. Explain that massive "coincidence!" The Navy Seals who "killed Bin Laden"....ALL of them died in a helicopter crash a couple months afterward. Explain THAT!

And we can go on, and on, and on, and on looking at really suspicious shit that goes back DECADES! And when we do that with an OPEN MIND, what we start to see is certain patterns beginning to emerge. You can latch on to one single detail and argue and debate that to the end of time, but that doesn't help you one bit in understanding the BIG picture!

Seriously, what is it about the "non conspiracy theorists" that makes you want to fight SO hard to defend lies? That makes you seemingly UNABLE to believe that the government is anything other than your buddy and friend, or at worst, a bunch of bumbling nincompoops who mean well and if they ever do anything evil, it's by accident? Why is it SO hard for you to understand and believe that there seriously evil, fucked up men pulling the strings behind our banks, government, corporations, etc who are wholly, completely in league with EVIL?

Operation Northwoods....explain THAT!

I'll go ya one better.......

prove ALL of that crap is a conspiracy instead of speculating, it's on you if you're making those claims, don't ever expect me to try to disprove what's only a theory, never mind the ridiculous ones claimed above.

you come with true proof??? I'll take the time to give it serious consideration and I'll have facts (FACTS) to pick apart.

 

[trichrider]

I see your entertainment value, and raise you consciousness.

you've disregarded all evidence so far, why are you here still?

smugness shows your parochial theory...yes theory...you have no evidence contrary to the 'conspiracy theory' you rant against.

if you are here to dispute 'our theories' you must prove yours. that is how science works. if you are here just to argue the point (9/11 conspiracy) you made your face known...

put up or shut-up broski.

 

[candidly]

I'll go ya one better.......

prove ALL of that crap is a conspiracy instead of speculating, it's on you if you're making those claims, don't ever expect me to try to disprove what's only a theory, never mind the ridiculous ones claimed above.

you come with true proof??? I'll take the time to give it serious consideration and I'll have facts (FACTS) to pick apart.

What is "proof", in your mind?

Here's the problem:

I could write a 100 paragraph essay explaining in great detail why I believe a certain thing to be true. But it would be futile. Due to your ways of thinking, which is contrary to/different from mine, you're absolutely, totally convinced that I'm a whack job, and that my ideas are without merit. It has nothing to do with the correctness of my beliefs, only your interpretation of such. And there is nothing I can do to immediately change your views.

I can assure you I'm closer to the truth than 99% of human beings on the planet. That's no exaggeration. But of course, your ego will immediately seek to challenge that statement, for several reasons. You just can't believe that someone is able to think things through to a greater degree than you, especially if he's come to different conclusions than you. That's what the ego does.

You may acknowledge in the abstract that there are geniuses in the world, but your ego simply won't accept that you're looking right at one, especially if said genius tells you things you don't want to hear and aren't prepared to accept. I'm not picking on you specifically. ALL humans are this way. The difference is, some of us are close to the truth, while others are far away indeed.

You need to have "proof" in order to believe something. But what kind of evil government/corporate/elite conspirators would be so sloppy as to leave behind real, concrete proof of their evil deeds? To truly understand the world, and to understand what's really going on....one must move beyond "proof" into the realm of abstract reasoning, and logical induction. Not everyone is really capable of this type of thinking...by design.

So if very little hard evidence is left behind of evil conspiracies, and if the conspiracy has grown so large that it envelops every aspect of mainstream "thought"....then the only way we can approach the truth is through inductive reasoning.

That's where the 100 paragraphs of explanation come in. In reality, it would take more....because my beliefs weren't formed from reading an article on Infowars.com and jumping to conclusions. My current understanding of the world comes from reading thousands of comments per day, from a huge number of people who come from all walks of life. I have read literally over a million comments in the past years from numerous web sites of all shapes and sizes. I have read probably at least 10+ million comments, books, paragraphs, essays, and countless other sources of information, from hundreds of thousands of unique individuals, living all sorts of lives. That is where my ideas come from.

So how in the world am I supposed to convince a stubborn guy in one thread on ICMag that he is wrong about things that took an entire lifetime of learning for me to know?

All I can do is make hints and comments and help point you in the right direction. But truthfully, I'm not entirely convinced that your mind can be saved from the clutches of the many lies which have obviously entangled it. I don't blame you for this. It's a direct result of the dishonest society we live in, which you've lived in for much longer than I have, and become set in your ways of thinking. I am sure that you and anyone else can be led to the truth given enough time and energy. But time is short, and those who are closer to the truth only have so much energy (and patience!) to give.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that we are standing on the precipice of World War 3. It will occur in the next 5-8 years, tops. I can tell you this is a war that the United States will likely lose. Odds are 100+ million Americans will lose their lives. Countless people and their erroneous ways of thinking will simply be exterminated. Can you overcome the mental obstacles which have been placed in your way, and begin gaining the kind of knowledge which will save your life, and the lives of your family and friends? I really, really hope so. But statistically speaking, the odds aren't good.

It all comes down to your willingness to learn, and more importantly. unlearn a lot of bullshit which others have put in your mind. Do you have the will and the stomach to really learn the truth of things? Or is it more palatable to continue believing comfortable delusions rather than face the truth? The answer to these questions determines everything.

 

[candidly]

Here's one of my favorite sites. Lots of great information here. It's a "prepper" site but they discuss a lot of political stuff.

What is your interpretation of 5 bankers dying within the past two weeks, all under circumstances that seem suspicious as hell?

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne...ig-it-will-shake-the-financial-world_02152014

 

[Stoner4Life]

What is your interpretation of 5 bankers dying within the past two weeks, all under circumstances that seem suspicious as hell?

That somebody missed a shitload more of 'em.......

 

[trichrider]

ya think it's the gold scandal biting?

just curious.

 

[trichrider]

That somebody missed a shitload more of 'em.......

you're ready to believe banking conspiracies but not conspiracies involving debters to same?
now I know you didn't watch that revealing documentary explaining that the government controls business' by controlling proxy votes through stock purchases.
they are one and the same...the government is the business and the business is the government.
sorry to sink your ship, but they (govt/business) control every aspect of the economy.
please follow the ball, and ignore the butterflies.

...and your ignorant post above reveals your true character.

do not bring such asinine, idiotic, psychopathic comments into an otherwise sane discussion.

 

[candidly]

No clue. Some/all of these could be suicides....or it could point to something more sinister. That's the thing about conspiracy theories BTW, for those who are still learning what this "way of thought" is all about. In the search for truth, when we are having to find it by our own reasoning and that of other concerned individuals, rather than being able to rely on a trustworthy society to help us find it, we can't always point and say things are definitively a certain way. Sometimes we have to spend a long time taking in information and slowly forming an opinion, which is pretty fuzzy at first, but slowly gains form as we take in more information and compare with other facts which are known or suspected. I'm very eagerly following this development with the banker "suicides" to see where the rabbit hole leads. I do think something big is coming in the banking world, soon, and this could be a sign of it.

 

[trichrider]

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/unconstitutional-the-war-on-our-civil-liberties/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWMY8GQUjXs

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[Stoner4Life]

the one question i really have no answer to is what happened to the people in that plane, but if you gonna kill 3k, i guess 59 more will not stop you. but there again we do know that no passenger lists have been shown with the alleged hijackers on it, no ticket stubs, and no footage of them boarding any of the 4 planes. the only footage we have of a couple of them is them boarding their previous flight. with all the cameras in airports how is it possible? also why is all the pentagon footage being hidden? if what they say happened whats the harm in letting the 84 films from cameras in the area be seen by everyone?

I agree, why not 59 more. but did the govt pluck them out of their homes & hotel rooms in the early morning? did they detour them @ the airport? how do explain the last second calls by loved ones onboard moments before impact? idk.

I like to look at issues w/o anyone else's opinions, pro or con.

the buildings were weakened by the fire as stated and collapsed straight down because of the massive amount of windows, sheetrock, furniture, file cabinets (w/millions of pounds of paper), office equipment, cubicle partitions (huge weight), safes, vaults and everything else the demo crews would have removed way before blowing a building like that.

Those buildings were loaded to the gills.

I delivered to the WTC weekly while working as a trucker in NY, every floor, every office kept their file cabinets close to the core of the building, walls and walls of them, always closest to the interior. Then working outward came cubicle areas and finally the nicer walled offices and then window offices.

it's my opinion (not someone else's) that the extreme weight of the fully laden buildings along with the weakened steel from fire caused the buildings to compact on themselves.

I believe (as reported) that the huge impact blew the fireproof insulation off the steel allowing it to heat to intolerable temperatures before failing.

 

[trichrider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIbOZ2YI0U

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaFGsdGxnc

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ

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blinded by science

 

[Stoner4Life]

and btw trichrider, the thread title is 'are you a "conspiracy theorist"?'

the rest of the OP is a copy/paste rant from that same link.


I believe the poll question entitles me to my say w/o being challenged as to why I'm here, please feel free to disagree with everything else I say but let's avoid getting personal about it. I used the word paranoid sarcastically to describe the CT's here & that was wrong. You all are thinkers, maybe overthinker's imo but you all do your research for sure, so do I.

If my thoughts seem to align with media accounts it's because I've found no evidence to contradict what I believed happened.

 

[trichrider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2vLipBvuA

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzscXVsTy2c

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzscXVsTy2c

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notice a pattern?

 

[trichrider]

and btw trichrider, the thread title is 'are you a "conspiracy theorist"?'

the rest of the OP is a copy/paste rant from that same link.


I believe the poll question entitles me to my say w/o being challenged as to why I'm here, please feel free to disagree with everything else I say but let's avoid getting personal about it. I used the word paranoid sarcastically to describe the CT's here & that was wrong. You all are thinkers, maybe overthinker's imo but you all do your research for sure, so do I.

If my thoughts seem to align with media accounts it's because I've found no evidence to contradict what I believed happened.

fair enough, where did you get your information?

please elaborate, because I don't think you did any investigation...perhaps you watched television news programs...

did you notice the pattern of the last two posts? did you investigate any of that information? and if so, could you provide links to prove your diligence?

pardon me if i'm wrong, but...

is it possible that you are wrong?

you are the one denying existence of conspiracies...ample samples provided for the unbelievers benefit by myself and others, yet you imply it's all lurid, maniacal ravings. most us have already found convincing testimony of the atrocities...so excuse me if I remain unconvinced of your indecorous adherence against them.

was asking you to provide links to your convincing information too difficult? you dismiss our 'theories' out of hand, yet no such thing is required by you???? how's that been working out for ya?

guesses are that you've been nipping the coolaid.

I don't want to be callous, but you don't know the least of it.

<<<<<<<<<<tou/members free to post anywhere>>>>>>>>>>

 

[Stoner4Life]

I'm here to stay trichrider

your (copy/paste) OP rants on about the way conspiracy theorists are looked upon, what did that really have to do with the poll question? was there a direction the thread was supposed to take?

as far as quoting my sources for my info???

holy fuck!!!! I made my mind up over 8 years ago, those sources are long forgotten. But just like you I try to keep up w/every current & relevant theory on 9/11, none have convinced me to move away from my position.

btw, if you think I'd bother clicking one youtube video after another that you've wasted your time posting for me you're luridly wrong.

 

[trichrider]

ok, you win...it's all been about you.

...know any good conspiracies you could post?

...or would you prefer that remain private?

i'll keep posting, you keep denying.

These are Obama’s 23 executive orders on gun safety, backed up by him signing the UN ban on small arms in 2012

Posted on: 12:05 am, January 17, 2013, by Alix Bryan

Barack Obama gun laws



President Obama today laid out a comprehensive package for reducing gun violence in America, a multi-part plan he says will not only “help prevent mass shootings” going forward but also “reduce the broader epidemic of gun violence in this country.”

The president also outlined a series of 23 executive actions he can take without congressional approval, which are listed below. He signed some of those directives immediately after his remarks.

Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. (profiling.)

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. (had one since the sixties)

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. (too late for fast & furious)

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. (again too late for Brian Terry RIP)

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
(giving guns to firemen and teachers!)

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
(prohibition prevents nothing.)

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. (implying gun owners are mentally incapable.)

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effectiveuse of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
(forcing doctors to snitch about something not of their concern)

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. (tacit consent to snitch)

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. (a whole new form of police interdiction and interference)

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
(now you know how and where the militarization of police is sponsored...fricking FASCISM, just like Nazi Germany)

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
(explaining that gun nuts are just that.)

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
(obamacare end run around constitution.)

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
(again, codifying gun nuts as mental cases.)

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
(are these two qualified to pass judgement on gun owners?)

having fun? tired, see yas tomorrow S4L. get some puppy love and some rest...

 

[RetroGrow]

I delivered to the WTC weekly while working as a trucker in NY, every floor, every office kept their file cabinets close to the core of the building, walls and walls of them, always closest to the interior. Then working outward came cubicle areas and finally the nicer walled offices and then window offices.

Ha, ha! Small world. I had that same job delivering there after getting out of prison. Long waits just to get into the loading dock.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Ha, ha! Small world. I had that same job delivering there after getting out of prison. Long waits just to get into the loading dock.

and then the ride up to your floor in the freight elevator, once dropped on your floor you were locked in that floor's freight lobby; we didn't dig that shit for the exact reason of fire or 9/11. In a catastrophe who the fuck is gonna answer the door to the freight entrance to let out a trapped trucker.

delivering to the WTC was dangerous because of that.

we didn't dig that shit at all.......