are you a "conspiracy theorist"?

[trichrider]

gaiusmarius....

I agree with you to a certain degree regarding what happened on 9/11. Some significant weird and unexpected shit happened that day, and there are historical accounts of "false flag" operations that attest to the possibility that what happened on 9/11 is not what has been reported in the main stream media. I'm not as convinced as you are, but I have an open mind to challenging the government's version of events.

But, I have a question for you. I've only seen you posting on one "conspiracy theory" (9/11) so far in this thread. How do you feel generally about the whole "conspiracy theory" field...there are literally hundreds of 'em out there. Do you think all of these are legit? My guess would be that you don't, and if not, how do you separate the legit theories from the unsupportable theories?

I see many people in this thread basically defending just about any conspiracy theory out there, and making statements that are much more likely based in paranoia than evidence. I mean, even "evidence" itself is being questioned. If you can't agree on what solid evidence is, well then where the hell are we now? Crazy land is my guess.

you're guessing while we provide evidence contrary to your beliefs and you say 'they must be crazy'.
how to separate the legit theories from unsupportable? due diligence my friend. we don't just come along singing cumbiyah this or that is true without trusting our intellect. that would be short sighted.
yet you have no evidence to disprove anything presented other than your 'opinion', period.
you think you are right? present something to convince us. simple as that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA
[youtubeif]jHm0XhtDyZA[/youtubeif]

uh, please refrain from saying anyone that disagrees (with you) is mentally off or 'crazy' that makes it difficult for people interested to participate.
mmmmmmk?

experts evidence.

[youtubeif]yswMOB8_IAM[/youtubeif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yswMOB8_IAM

 

[Elsweeto]

Big Business!

Big Business!

Couldn't the same be said about big business? I understand they aren't exactly the same, but it seems that when people start talking about getting fucked over, it's always about the government, and never about big business. Hell, really any business has the potential to screw it's customers, and be greedy and all that, but big business is where the real nasty stuff happens.

Food for thought on those lines


http://www.ted.com/talks/james_b_glattfelder_who_controls_the_world.html

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

I think we are overlooking the biggest Conspiracy Theory there is;

Religion, and god.

Have fun guys!

 

[wantaknow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw4_-4xGuHA&feature=player_detailpage here is a video of the molten steel,there is a list of the number 11 is involved in this act of destruction of the united states

 

[trichrider]

Couldn't the same be said about big business? I understand they aren't exactly the same, but it seems that when people start talking about getting fucked over, it's always about the government, and never about big business. Hell, really any business has the potential to screw it's customers, and be greedy and all that, but big business is where the real nasty stuff happens.

stick around we'll get to that.

 

[wantaknow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bl6froZhog&feature=player_detailpage here is another video everybody should watch

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

you're guessing while we provide evidence contrary to your beliefs and you say 'they must be crazy'.
how to separate the legit theories from unsupportable? due diligence my friend. we don't just come along singing cumbiyah this or that is true without trusting our intellect. that would be short sighted.
yet you have no evidence to disprove anything presented other than your 'opinion', period.
you think you are right? present something to convince us. simple as that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA
[youtubeif]jHm0XhtDyZA[/youtubeif]

uh, please refrain from saying anyone that disagrees (with you) is mentally off or 'crazy' that makes it difficult for people interested to participate.
mmmmmmk?

experts evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yswMOB8_IAM

Yeah....well, I watched your video of the woman whistle blower. I am very supportive of whistle blowers, and feel that they are hero's for what they do. I believe that Snowden is a whistle blower and a hero. That being said, the information she gave in her talk was not to the level required to either confirm or deny the presence of chemtrails. It is a starting point. I forget what her job title is now, industrial something or other, but it certainly is not a profession that is based in finding answers to questions of this sort...she is involved in compliance, following the rules and such.

I forget what chemicals she mentioned were being used in these chemtrails, I think there were 2 she mentioned. Anyway, a natural question to ask, and one fairly easy to answer I would think, is, "how do these chemicals affect the human body, what conditions/diseases do they cause when ingested, and what has happened to the rate of these conditions/diseases over the years that chemtrails have been used?" Obviously, the rates of these health problems should be going up as the population is continually exposed to them. Why didn't she include such a basic and important piece of data in her talk? Not saying she did it intentionally, but it does point out that she is not the right person to be making any conclusions on this issue.

My next question regarding the chemtrail issue is, why arent' there hundreds of journalists all over such an important story? Do you think that most journalists aren't concerned about the health and well-being of themselves, their families and friends? Journalists are the people who know how to ask the right questions, know how to dig deep in dark places for answers, and the ones who make their livings doing so. Why the hell haven't reporters been all over this? And I'm talking about legit journalists, people who studied the craft at important colleges, who had to prove themselves as being one of the best in order to get admitted to colleges and universities that have strict entrance requirements. Don't send me to some sight where any joe blow with an agenda can start spewing data that is all over the map. And if you think that it's not important to have the smartest most talented people doing a job, then you aren't thinking clearly.

What! you say? The main stream media is bought and sold, and that's where all these degree holding journalists go to work. Anybody who works for the main stream media is therefore tainted, and cannot be trusted. Doesn't matter if these journalists have families and friends who would be hurt by the chemtrails....they will instead cow-tow to their corporate masters in these situations.

Pardon me for saying so...but that just sounds crazy to me.

 

[trichrider]

still just YOUR opinion danny. why are you here anyway? do you feel some obligation to impose that opinion.

the girl was an employee concerned over the injustice and hypocrisy she discovered doing her job in direct violation of the oath she swore to uphold and against all morals.

you calling her a liar? it was testimony of conscience, for crying in the beer!

do some damned research before you come in both guns blazing, you're quickly running out of ammo.

i've got plenty more too...it ain't about chemtrails nor 9/11, it's about the systemic abuse of media and government and collusion of corporate interests...

medical, pharmaceutical, real science, chemtrails, floride, GMO's, climategate, the FED, PROHIBITION, the manipulation of your mind....

jeeeezh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB3xcN_eoPo

[youtubeif]fB3xcN_eoPo[/youtubeif]

next time bring popcorn...ya'lls crazy

 

[draztik]

gaiusmarius....

I agree with you to a certain degree regarding what happened on 9/11. Some significant weird and unexpected shit happened that day, and there are historical accounts of "false flag" operations that attest to the possibility that what happened on 9/11 is not what has been reported in the main stream media. I'm not as convinced as you are, but I have an open mind to challenging the government's version of events.

But, I have a question for you. I've only seen you posting on one "conspiracy theory" (9/11) so far in this thread. How do you feel generally about the whole "conspiracy theory" field...there are literally hundreds of 'em out there. Do you think all of these are legit? My guess would be that you don't, and if not, how do you separate the legit theories from the unsupportable theories?

I see many people in this thread basically defending just about any conspiracy theory out there, and making statements that are much more likely based in paranoia than evidence. I mean, even "evidence" itself is being questioned. If you can't agree on what solid evidence is, well then where the hell are we now? Crazy land is my guess.

We are well beyond crazy land. 9/11 is with out a doubt 100% staged event. If your on the fence about 9/11 then you will never understand the "Open Conspiracy". You have to understand that steel structured buildings cannot fall at near free fall speeds into their own footprint, its against the laws of nature. Having to explain this to people even though they can see the buildings collapsing with their own eyes is another subject entirely which I can go into depth about but we will keep it simple for now. Before there was controlled demolition you would need a wrecking ball to bring a building down by bashing it to pieces and use torches to cut steel beams out. With the advent of controlled demolition it was now possible for demolition experts to bring a building down safely with minimized risk to neighboring buildings. Precisely placed timed charges are detonated throughout a structure to weaken points in that structure which would cause the building to implode collapsing into its own footprint. Now that's exactly what happened on 9/11. Everyone knew it in their gut when they watched the events happening that day. We all waited for the news announcement of well placed charges inside the buildings. Months went by, then years, but still not a word about the blatantly obvious. Then they told us that fire caused the buildings to collapse. Here's a fact, WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 are the first steel structured buildings in the history of the world to collapse from fire and there hasn't been any since. Most people don't want to believe that reality, because that reality is the scariest reality there is. In order for you to understand what is going on from a fully conscious and educated perspective your must come to the conclusion that what you thought was reality is just a blind fold pulled over your eyes to keep your mind in a box.

 

[Good Karma]

'Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.'

'In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it.'

'In other words, people who use the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” as an insult are doing so as the result of a well-documented, undisputed, historically-real conspiracy by the CIA to cover up the JFK assassination. That campaign, by the way, was completely illegal, and the CIA officers involved were criminals; the CIA is barred from all domestic activities, yet routinely breaks the law to conduct domestic operations ranging from propaganda to assassinations.'


New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane; government dupes crazy, hostile...

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/07/12/313399/conspiracy-theorists-vs-govt-dupes/

firstly, since when was there a scale for how sane you are? and since when did professional psychiatrist refer to patients as more crazy or sane lol

 

[resinryder]

My next question regarding the chemtrail issue is, why arent' there hundreds of journalists all over such an important story? Do you think that most journalists aren't concerned about the health and well-being of themselves, their families and friends? Journalists are the people who know how to ask the right questions, know how to dig deep in dark places for answers, and the ones who make their livings doing so. Why the hell haven't reporters been all over this? And I'm talking about legit journalists, people who studied the craft at important colleges, who had to prove themselves as being one of the best in order to get admitted to colleges and universities that have strict entrance requirements. Don't send me to some sight where any joe blow with an agenda can start spewing data that is all over the map. And if you think that it's not important to have the smartest most talented people doing a job, then you aren't thinking clearly.

Probably for the same reason they don't report tv news or in print the collusion the feds have/had with the Sineola Cartel smuggling drugs into the US or the cartels claims that Fast and Furious was to aid them with weapons to kill other cartel members. Holder shut that down.
Or the former mexician police officer turned cartel member turned fed informant that was present at kill/torture houses in the US and the US Attorney General looked the other way.
Why would top journialist be members of the Bilderbergers?
Journalists are experts at telling you what to believe while not revealing the real reasons for doing so. The tv news as with papers report on issues that gets their side across. For instance, the LV Review Journal is a republican owned paper that gives their view of the issues while the LV Sun is owned by a democrat that gives his view of what's going on. None of em will give you all the facts because doing so would give the viewer/reader the info nessary to form their own opinion. Don't really want that now do we?
As a journalist you dance with the one what brung ya or you don't dance at all.

 

[hard rain]

'Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.'

'In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it.'

'In other words, people who use the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” as an insult are doing so as the result of a well-documented, undisputed, historically-real conspiracy by the CIA to cover up the JFK assassination. That campaign, by the way, was completely illegal, and the CIA officers involved were criminals; the CIA is barred from all domestic activities, yet routinely breaks the law to conduct domestic operations ranging from propaganda to assassinations.'


New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane; government dupes crazy, hostile...

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/07/12/313399/conspiracy-theorists-vs-govt-dupes/

What an atrocious article by Kevin Barrett. Here is what one of the authors, Mike Wood, of the first study wrote about the above article:

Our recently published Frontiers study on online communication, “What about Building 7?” A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories, has been the subject of some chatter on the Internet – but not quite in the way I had hoped.

And more..

How on earth did Barrett get the idea that the study makes some judgement that conspiracists are more well-adjusted than conventionalists?

And this

In this study we found that conspiracist comments were much more likely to argue against the official account than in favour of their own interpretation. Conversely, conventionalist (anti-conspiracist) comments were more likely to argue in favour of their own interpretation than against the conspiracy theories. This result agrees with our theory that belief in conspiracy theories can be more accurately characterised as a disbelief in official or received explanations – that the content of the conspiracy theory doesn’t matter as much as the fact that it opposes whatever the official explanation is. The focus is not on promoting an alternative explanation, but in debunking the official story.

Quite different to Barrett's explanation of the article.
Unfortunately the article is too long to post here but read it yourself here (about 2/3 down page):
http://conspiracypsychology.com/

 

[trichrider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkfMuvVuETQ

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[bentom187]

Couldn't the same be said about big business? I understand they aren't exactly the same, but it seems that when people start talking about getting fucked over, it's always about the government, and never about big business. Hell, really any business has the potential to screw it's customers, and be greedy and all that, but big business is where the real nasty stuff happens.

The easiest way I can explain this is that if the government is making the rules and has the monopoly on violence, then they are in charge of who gets to play. So all the bad "big business" entities are there with their permission. In the end actually they are the same thing and without the enforcement arm that the government has limited liability disappears because the only place it matters is in a state sanctioned court.

If they were subject to open market forces ,good concerned people like yourself could deny them their revenue to continue operations for whatever reason.
It would certainly happen quicker than any legislation they could pass too.

There is no role the government could fill that couldn't be fulfilled by voluntary consenting parties. If there is a situation with moral hazards, like doing business with unknown entities they could both voluntarily contract with a escrow service to enforce the contract.

What Is Regulatory Capture?
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If you have any doubts ,and its worth the watch,here is 2 hours of "what if" questions unscripted, about the free market.

Peter Schiff at Occupy Wall Street: Full Version, Almost 2 Hours
[YOUTUBEIF]ahMGoB01qiA[/YOUTUBEIF]

Government

by Frederic Bastiat, 1848

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime, whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, (or by any other name indicating his true character,) or by millions, calling themselves a government.

Lysander Spooner

I think this is time to point out , that governance is based on belief like imaginary lines called borders ,which is fictional and based on personal belief and on faith.

Here is the BS development of corporations ,i'll summarize it, corporations are government ,which is fascism/corporatism, which is slavery.

Romney: Corporations Are People, My Friend.
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We are living it. End corporate personhood and you end the state, end the state and you will be free. There is no legitimate political authority we are all born equal, no government or lawyer can get around that fact.

Ernst H. Kantorowicz’s The King’s Two Bodies: A Study in Mediaeval Political Theology

Presentation by Amanda C. Barton 2.6.12

To introduce our discussion of The King’s Two Bodies, I turn to Marie Axton’s comment on the peculiar metaphor of the two-bodied monarch:

Prior to England’s break with Rome and immediately after, English common lawyers “were formulating an idea of the state as a perpetual corporation, yet they were unable or unwilling to separate state and monarch. Their concept of the king’s two bodies was an attempt to deal with a paradox: men died and the land endured; kings died, the crown survived; individual subjects died but subjects always remained to be governed. Perhaps the lawyers were unwilling to envisage England itself as a perpetual corporation because the law had always vested land in a person”

google book review

http://books.google.com/books?id=RK...PP1#v=onepage&q=the king's two bodies&f=false.

28 U.S. Code § 3002 - Definitions

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;

(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or

(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

 

[trichrider]

http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/cliemate/

an ongoing rebuttal on climate in four short videos describing cover-up of climate change.

 

[paulo73]

My brain likes numbers and i tend to read the reality around me through that.
Even if most "conspiracy theories" are just too daft, ill informed and, i suspect, one poor attempt of gaining public exposure, it would be not wise of me to discard ALL conspiracy theories.
Bringing the subject down to us all canna users, didn´t you guys think that there was/is a conspiracy trying to make this plant into the Devil´s Weed?
And how come that us after confirming a certain so easily discard any doubts that we had before? And from blunt denial we go to blind acceptance?
I also think that in days like today, where the social component of Life took priority over everything else, paranoia drive behaviors are very prone to occur.

 

[idiit]

Bringing the subject down to us all canna users, didn´t you guys think that there was/is a conspiracy trying to make this plant into the Devil´s Weed?

^^ there is ample evidence via insider affidavits that the nwo globalists control drug production. afghanistan opium production has risen anywhere from 5 to 10 times as much after america took over afghanistan militarily. ollie north and the contra cocaine connection was well documented. american gangster tv show has documented how this cocaine sparked the crack epidemic in america that started in la cali. with freeway ricky williams. fast and furious has documented eric holder (america's attorney general) sending military grade weapons to preferred mexican drug cartels. the financial off mainstream media has repeatedly pointed out that many global banking giants have been convicted and fined for illegal drug money laundering. no white collar types ever seem to go to jail. we all know there is no war on drugs. there is a war on who gets to manufacture and sell the drugs at illegal high profit margin prices.

 

[idiit]

The check book is infinite. Please understand that the debt limit in the USA has not been increased. The Debt limit in the USA has been totally removed until February 2016.

The message in that is massive debt extension in the USA, at will, between now and February 2016.

one of the biggest conspiracy realities is the globalist/nwo types have destroyed any nation with the impunity to issue real money (backed by gold/silver) as currency. the fiat pixel currency reality continues. they just virtually create trillions$ and send it anywhere they want via the keystroke. they own everything (.01% own 50% ). they control everything (pretty much and getting worse). until the world goes back to real money the nwo globalists have pretty much unlimited purchasing power. even as fiat currency funny money deteriorates in purchasing power they print more than enough to make up for it.

Comcast says it has agreed to buy Time Warner Cable for $45 billion in a deal that would combine the two biggest cable companies in the United States. If the deal is approved, the combined group would be the nation's dominant provider of TV and Internet services.

The two companies expect the merger to take effect by the end of the year, but regulators are likely to take a close look at the potential impact on consumers.

Get complete coverage of breaking news on CNN TV, CNN.com and CNN Mobile 2/13/2014 7:15 am

 

[Max Headroom]

Couldn't the same be said about big business? I understand they aren't exactly the same, but it seems that when people start talking about getting fucked over, it's always about the government, and never about big business. Hell, really any business has the potential to screw it's customers, and be greedy and all that, but big business is where the real nasty stuff happens.

government is just a go-between, a kind of press-agent for business.
a buffer the masses can argue and fight over while the strings are pulled elsewhere.
it's always been like that, from the start.

Myers - History of the Great American Fortunes Vol. I (1908)
https://archive.org/details/historyofgreatam01myer

 

[Good Karma]

conspiracy theories are generally perpetuated buy the ill informed and the ignorant.