The Dumpster - IBL

[MarquisBlack]

goodluck man, are you going to use seperate males per dumpster clone then check the produced seeds to see which line is betteroff following?

That's an interesting idea, Cork. However, I don't plan on keeping clones of the males. (Maybe a little pollen..) So which male is superior means little to me (the superior offspring will show through regardless), but at the same time it wouldn't hurt to try anyways. I'll probably give it a whirl.

Thanks for your interest and support, everyone.

 

[cork144]

i just see it as if your going to use different males you may aswell check which each male lends to the dumpster clone,

i think its actually one of the most important things to do with actual breeding,

not putting you down or anything but doing this will help you see how each line differs from the dumpster clone,

just popping in some advice to help you out man take care,

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Mixing the males' pollin together amounts to almost the same thing as progeny testing. Mixing males is more practical for most breeders than straight progeny testing, because you don't need to keep that whole batch of males alive as clone fathers. With a mixed staminate seedbatch, you just need to grow out a larger quantity to be sure of getting enough progeny from the best father.

EDIT; Duh, I just thought about what I said and realized that with a number of clones of 'dumpster', you can just pollinate each one with different males' pollin. I was thinking about a grow with seedling females that wouldn't have enough seperate budsites on each plant.

 

[MarquisBlack]

Yea like I said, it won't cost me anything to keep track of them anyways, good idea Cork. (Keep track of them ie pollenate each mom with a different male)

Whether or not I actually keep the males is another thing. Maybe I'll keep the males for the first generation? (So I can get off on the right foot in the F1 and F2 realm, maybe save myself some trouble later.) Either that or I'll just keep a boat-load of pollen, which is obviously more space efficient.

I appreciate you guys involving yourselves.

 

[cork144]

dont have to keep the males after pollenation, aslong as youve seperately pollenated a clone with a different male you can just grow out the seeds from each male X dumpster and see what line is what you want,

every males going to lend different things to the line, and doing controlled pollenations means you can realy scope in on what you want and produce whatever your after,


i would probably use the best line from the 5 males, select plants closest to desired traits from the line and cross them, do the same for 3 or 4 generations then get a large number of males together then selectively pollenate the dumpster clone again with each male,

then select the best father by whats produced in the [dumpster x crit mass f4-f5] X dumpster,

but thats all on paper im sure its alot harder than it seems

 

[MarquisBlack]

Quick picture update!


The three Dumpster moms-to-be. In 1 gallon pots, lookin' good.


The 4 Critical Mass males, apparently a bit less pampered, I'm secretly hoping one will start flowering so I can cull it and have a 1:1 female/male ratio, which would make labeling and such easier.

Gotta figure out what I'm doing for a pollen chamber, I'll bounce back for an update once that's sorted out probably.

Take it easy everyone.

 

[cork144]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46076

check that out, male isolation chambers

your mums are looking good

 

[buckeye-leaf]

lookin great bud nice work! i was on osu campus this weekend and a friend gave me some dumpster, og kush and sensi star been a good 5 years since ive seen him and the dump is still better than most clones or seeds out there to grow. wishin ya all the best!

 

[unclefishstick]

any progress reports? got this one tagged bro

 

[str8clandestine]

Dumpster is a nearly perfected breeding accomplishment

Dumpster is a nearly perfected breeding accomplishment

Dumpster is some of the most potent cannabis in the world, much more potent than white widow, strawberry cough, or ak47. This strain is a great medical strain, Dumpster is great for personal use, not so much commercial, she yields heavily, but top heavy, its good to chop off bottom 75% of plant, if you want chunky nugz. These Rare genetics were definitely breeded with a stable equilibrium cross, this strain is clone only, and has been through at least a hundred generations before i was lucky enough to come across a clone of it, two years ago, she still yields the same, astounding. This strain is one of the most unique in the world, iam gonna say not pure indica, but pretty close, probably 90% indica 10% sativa.
I would make a guess that Dumpster could be Mazar crossed with SensiStar, crossed with an unknown sativa, Hawaian, or maybe even sour diesel. there have been rumors that about people saying Dumpster is a g13Xblueberry cross, THIS IS NOT TRUE. Dumpster is for sure has some funky sativa genes in it, but the indica is really like sensi starXmazar, amazing.

 

[danimarie193]

Just some Dumpster I've been puffin' on

 

[LifeIsGrowing]

If you are looking for a quick way to reproduce this in seed form, you can do what I did and use Collidal Silver to force pollen and pollinate a clone from the same mother. A few years back there was feminized Dumpster seeds floating around OH and PA, and that's exactly how it was done. I only know of one person who has any of the fem'd I made, and it was a gift for them. I love dumpster, but OH has come out with better strains the last 6-7 years that beat the shit out of dumpster, although I still love it greatly and is still another one of my homeland strains, that goes to show, there's definitely some amazing things to come out of our state. I'm personally going to be working on IBL's for other Ohio strains throughout the next few years, all for breeding purposes and selected people who will treat them with care to these rare Ohio strains, as I am primarily a Medical user, I believe more in keeping these genetics alive for the purposes of medicinal reasons than for any other reason and you're right, the Dumpster is definitely top-notch when grown correctly. It's got great pain-killing effects for sure.

One thing you need to think about with doing an IBL is NOT using a hybrid as your male. Using a pure breeding strain will provide much better results. I understand that the Critical Mass does have great resin production, but really as you start to backcross you will continually be breeding out the Critical Mass, therefore your potency will keep leaning back towards the original Dumpster clone you use throughout.

Using a Afghani, Mazar, Hindu Kush, Skunk#1 or any other pure indica that's not a hybrid, would be a better Idea with something like Dumpster since it is so dense and resinous. Even if the starting male isn't nearly as potent, as you bX the potency will increase from the Dumpster's influence, not from the original father's influence.

Example:
Dumpster(F) x Mazar(M) = MazarDump (50/50 - Dumpster/Mazar genetics)
Dumpster(F) x MazarDump(M) = MazarDump BX1(75/25 Dumpster/Mazar)
Dumpster(F) x MazarDumpBX1 = MazarDump BX2(88/12 Dumpster/Mazar)
Dumpster(F) x MazarDumpBX2 = Dumpster IBL (94/6 Dumpster/Mazar)
-By the way a BX4 would only gain 2% making it 96% Dumpster instead of 94%.
IMO This is how you should do it, regardless of what true breeding strain you use.

Using Critical Mass you'll have something more like this
-Dumpster(F) x Critical Mass(M) = Critical Dumpster(50% Dumpster/25%Afghani/25%-Skunk#1)
-Dumpster(F) x Critical Dumpster(M) = Critical-Dumpster BX2(75% Dumpster/12.5%Afghani/12.5%-Skunk#1)
-Dumpster(F) x Critical-Dumpster BX2(M) = Critical-Dump BX3(88% Dumpster/6% Afghani/6% Skunk#1)
-Dumpster(F) x Critical Dumpster BX3(M) = Dumpster IBL (94% Dumpster/3% Afghani/3% Skunk#1)
As you can see, by the time you do the 4th BX you will only have 6% of the Critical Mass genetics left in the strain. So the genes will be predominantly Dumpster with very little influence from the original male used. And if you are trying to do an extra backcross it will only take it to 96%, but I think using a straight Afghani will do the job just fine and it'll be more predictable.

Just saying, using a pure breeding strain is alot better because in the end it's always going to favor the Female you are creating the IBL for as far as potency and resin production goes. The male mainly influences parts of taste, flowering time, and bud structure more than the potency, resin production, and original taste of the clone you are trying to re-produce in seed form. The male's influence will be not be very noticeable by the time you reach the BX3. By the BX4 you have an IBL.

Just my opinion, I personally did do feminized seeds for this strain and have worked with it quite a bit, and when doing an IBL keeping the genetic variation low helps recreate the clone's original traits.

-LIG

 

[darwinsbulldog]

nice info there LIG. but yeah if you're going to go to all the trouble of cubing the girl, you might as well just us CS or STS on a few clones to produce feminized seed as that's pretty much the cubing process sped up to one generation, and all progeny will be exactly 100% mum. tell me if i'm wrong people, i'm still new the the breeding game but just a thought

darwin

 

[englishrick]

some things could be polygeneric,,,

are you familiar with the "Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium" Darwin?

 

[i.love.scotch]

Example:
Dumpster(F) x Mazar(M) = MazarDump (50/50 - Dumpster/Mazar genetics)
Dumpster(F) x MazarDump(M) = MazarDump BX1(75/25 Dumpster/Mazar)
....


-LIG

I think the OP said he is not planning on doing any backcrossing...

 

[symbiote420]

I think there could be a li'l truth to that Dumpster/Sensi Star relationship, I usually didn't label my plants lol that was until I had (2) Dumpster and (2) '95 Sensi Star cuts growing in my veg room. Long story short I ended up getting them mixed up and put both my Dumpsters in bloom doh! I didn't realize till they were 5 weeks in I just kept saying to myself that they both looked the same lol ...they all looked identical during veg to my used to be keen eyes, and in bloom they grow almost the same, very frosty, dense nugs ...the Dumpster a li'l more but they finish the same time too but the Dumpster does this "shitty" leaf thing towards harvest. I found a nice Chem 4 leaning Alien Double Dawg male (Chem 4 x Aliendawg F3) that I gave my pal to pollinate his harem with, good thing he had and hit the Dumpster too!!! Dumpster is uber potent dank mixing her with a Chem hybrid only seemed right!

 

[BredForMeds]

r u the dude who actually found it? I could of sworn this happened to another member.. I remember reading someones post that they were running a strain out of a dumpster.. lol .

iuno but that's funny shit.. I proly never would do it . kuz the risk of bringing home pm. bugs.. or watnot. but shit if its better then what u have.. keep it lol if not trash it like the other owner.