I seen good results using mix of 1/3 FFOF+1/3 canna coco(ready out of bag)+1/3 perlite. the little bit of FFOF in there gives enough nutes to get things rolling in early veg without any additives and then you can just proceed to treat it like a coco regiment after that and it is a bit more forgiving than straight coco.
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Coco is killing me!
- Thread starter Jnugg
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measuring the ec of coco like that is inaccurate, instead of measuring runoff do a slurry test.. or....
just stop rinsing the coco!!!! this is the prob...
i use blocks all the time.. i hydrate with full strength nutes and hot water, works perfect, even blocks from the hardware store
only time i had probs was when i tried to rinse my coco
lots of it is pre charged with gypsum even though they dont tell u..
rinsing it creates an imbalance just like it would if you gave plants in coco alot of plain water like a soil grow
just stop rinsing the coco!!!! this is the prob...
i use blocks all the time.. i hydrate with full strength nutes and hot water, works perfect, even blocks from the hardware store
only time i had probs was when i tried to rinse my coco
lots of it is pre charged with gypsum even though they dont tell u..
rinsing it creates an imbalance just like it would if you gave plants in coco alot of plain water like a soil grow
STOP USING BRICKS!
That stuff is nasty shit. Start using chunky Coco croutons/chips. You will never have to rinse, ph, ANYTHING. Shit is bomb, your rootzone will REJOICE.
Here is a visual: http://www.amazon.com/Plant-Coco-Coir-Croutons-28L/dp/B007BJQIHW
That stuff is nasty shit. Start using chunky Coco croutons/chips. You will never have to rinse, ph, ANYTHING. Shit is bomb, your rootzone will REJOICE.
Here is a visual: http://www.amazon.com/Plant-Coco-Coir-Croutons-28L/dp/B007BJQIHW
StonedDrifter
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Im growing in coco hempys as well w/ botanicare bricks. dyna gro 7-9-5 w/ pro around 3 to 4 mL per gal. Seems to work out for me. I also use protekt and gh calmag. water them every 2-3 days. easy peasy.
J
johndoe123
Botanicare blocks, 30 gallon smarties and modified 6/9 feeding regimen ftw!
nukklehead
Active member
Im with ya bro..
I am no means an experienced coco grower as this is my first run.
Dont know how I got turned on to it.. many a high night on google..
Lots of experience with FFOF in the past just wanting something
different and easier.. ( doing the hempy---easy on the back)
The explanation on the bag says it all... ready to go .....
Seems very stable.. Ihave shitty water and use an R/O with
6/9 for my first run...( I add a dash of tap in there for a little
bit of minerals)
Everything chugging along on schedule.. 2 gallon pots.. ready to
flip to flower this weekend..
I dont know why botanicare gets all the hype as psyco seems to
be much better???
May cost a few more bucks up front but if you are and INEXPERIENCED coco grower I think its worth it to start
with psyco just to KISS.. which seems to be the subject
of this post...
maybe I will try to cut a few corners after a few coco grows
but when you are learning a new trade.... its best to have
the best tools to start out with...
Let me set ya straight on a few things before you end up hating coco. First Gh coco bricks/blocks are salty as fuck! I love how course it is, but damn that shit is always salty. Canna and botanicare have an excellent rep for being washed, buffered, and ready to transplant into straight out of the bag (personally I prefer to wash everything so I know exactly what's in it. Eliminates salt content as a potential issue if something goes wrong). Second thing, PH is extremely important in coco (keep it between 5.5-6.0 at all times. This means readjusting the solution after 24 hours if it raises above a PH of 6). No reason you can't use the drops (I use them to confirm the accuracy of my pens), but if you don't know what ph lockout looks like a pen will make life easier. Third you almost never want to give coco straight water other than during the flush period before harvest (this has to do with it's Cation exchange capacity). If you have an imbalance it's better to just pour full strength 6/9 run to waste until things are back in balance. Last thing, lucas is a terrible recipe to use with coco. Stick to just 6/9 with the proper ph 
Oh and use full strength 6/9 with every watering from day 1 of veg until flush (for clones and seedlings). IF you experience burn just mix your 6/9 slightly weaker (i.e mix 4 gal. worth of 6/9 in 5 gal. of water) and continue feeding. To fix the plants you have now, I'd start by slowly pouring 5 gal. of half strength 6/9 through each pot, allowing the excess to run to waste (in the tub would make that easy
). Once they have drained throughly, add another 1/2 gal of full strength 6/9. This will wash out the excess salts while preserving the CEC of the coco. You should see improvements within 2-3 days.
Oh and use full strength 6/9 with every watering from day 1 of veg until flush (for clones and seedlings). IF you experience burn just mix your 6/9 slightly weaker (i.e mix 4 gal. worth of 6/9 in 5 gal. of water) and continue feeding. To fix the plants you have now, I'd start by slowly pouring 5 gal. of half strength 6/9 through each pot, allowing the excess to run to waste (in the tub would make that easy
). Once they have drained throughly, add another 1/2 gal of full strength 6/9. This will wash out the excess salts while preserving the CEC of the coco. You should see improvements within 2-3 days.
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DHF
Damnit NuggBro.......Sorry I missed this and hopefully Mr D will getchas sorted , but I just made a post in 5th`s thread that sums up EVERYTHING yas needta know upfront bout the dreaded fickle bitch coco , except maybe what Dbro was screamin bout 1/2 strength flushes ta bring ppms and ph back into decent parameters without stripping the medium of it`s CEC....and....
D don`t use it cuz he runs low ppms across the board and knows what the fuck he`s doin , but Dripclean @1ml per gal every feed is excellent insurance against residual salt buildup , and will definitely help yas for the long haul...
Holler back if we can help Bro....
Peace....DHF....
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D don`t use it cuz he runs low ppms across the board and knows what the fuck he`s doin , but Dripclean @1ml per gal every feed is excellent insurance against residual salt buildup , and will definitely help yas for the long haul...
Holler back if we can help Bro....
Peace....DHF....
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I would not add drip clean at 1ml per at this point in the grow.
On H&Gs site it says to add at half strength if it hasnt been used from the start.
That would be like .2ml per gal
With your PH probably being out of whack, adding the DC and getting your ph back in line at the same time could free up so much residual shit that your plants could burn to a crisp over night.
On H&Gs site it says to add at half strength if it hasnt been used from the start.
That would be like .2ml per gal
With your PH probably being out of whack, adding the DC and getting your ph back in line at the same time could free up so much residual shit that your plants could burn to a crisp over night.
D
DHF
He needs 1/2 strength nutrient flushes at this point in the game as Mr D stated above Coconutz , and what I was plainly talkin bout was/is ONCE shit gets back into proper parameters....and...
Dripclean at recommended dosage of .4 ml per gal only works with drippers and feed equipment....Uppin it to 1 ml per gal that`s been known for several yrs to actually KEEP residual salts from forming "inside" the medium is what I`m tellin Jnugg to employ once his shit gets back rollin....
Holler Nugg.....DHF.....
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My experience with the product says that it releases and makes the salts available that flushing wont remove.
Ive burned healthy plants with it and have never used 1ml.
While it probably works while used at 1ml from start to finish, I still think its bad idea to use on these plants, even after flushing full 6/9 like D said, or 1/2 69 like DHF said.
Ive burned healthy plants with it and have never used 1ml.
While it probably works while used at 1ml from start to finish, I still think its bad idea to use on these plants, even after flushing full 6/9 like D said, or 1/2 69 like DHF said.
D
DHF
Hey Coconutz.....In no way am I tryin ta discount your experience with dripclean Bro , but when the shit was invented it was and still is for feedline equipment , until several yrs back where an old head at a private site discovered by accident dripclean`s "ionic properties" for the coco medium as well.....
His drip emitters kept clogging cuz he was runnin floranova which is some thick shit , good 1 part K.I.S.S base nute , but still....thick....so....
He upped the dosage on one set of containers to 1 ml per gal just as an experiment , and what he saw compared to all the other 100`s of smartpots in the room , was that the drippers were flowin like a mofo AND all the white crusty shit(residual salt buildup) all over the sides of the bags "disappeared".......
He then testified that those particular plants grew faster and finished fuller than ALL the other plants in the room by end of cycle , and it hit him.....
Not ONLY was the dripclean eatin all excess deposits in his feed equipment , but eatin all remnants of salt buildup in the plants medium as well , PLUS sucked the shit outta the fabric pots on top of it all , and ever since 1 ml per gal`s been preached from beginning to end for all the big guys on the left coast runnin coco DTW....with dialed success also I might add....now...
I can totally see where your suggestion of not using the shit at that concentration at this point in the game due to the possibility of suckin out too much juice concentration in said medium and fuckin with the CEC might be a bad thing.....and....you could be right....
As I said above Mr D don`t even use dripclean cuz his old head knowledgeable ass runs low ppms across the board @1.2ec/600ppms , plus he knows his plants inside and out as well , but .....
I`ll continue to preach dripclean @ 1ml per gal "beginning to end" for folks not used to the cation exchange capacity of coco and it`s amazingly DIFFERENT consistencies AND salt deposit buildup in each and every batch...Hell ....even different from pallet to pallet....anyways....
Rule of thumb with coco way back when us old heads first started with it BEFORE dripclean was 15-20% runoff to prevent salt buildup in the medium , and rule #1 was ALWAYS......When in doubt , Flush it out....and start over ppms and ph wise that is.....regardless.....
Hope yas get shit figured out Jnuggster , and yeah I`ve known MANY to go back to their original medium of choice from bein bit in the ass by the coco bitch actin up for em , but.....once understood and dialed....
I never saw more explosive hydro-like growth from ANY medium other than my lavarocks I ran in ebb and flow buckets or my `ol krusty bucket setup.....bar none.....
Peace....DHF....
His drip emitters kept clogging cuz he was runnin floranova which is some thick shit , good 1 part K.I.S.S base nute , but still....thick....so....
He upped the dosage on one set of containers to 1 ml per gal just as an experiment , and what he saw compared to all the other 100`s of smartpots in the room , was that the drippers were flowin like a mofo AND all the white crusty shit(residual salt buildup) all over the sides of the bags "disappeared".......
He then testified that those particular plants grew faster and finished fuller than ALL the other plants in the room by end of cycle , and it hit him.....
Not ONLY was the dripclean eatin all excess deposits in his feed equipment , but eatin all remnants of salt buildup in the plants medium as well , PLUS sucked the shit outta the fabric pots on top of it all , and ever since 1 ml per gal`s been preached from beginning to end for all the big guys on the left coast runnin coco DTW....with dialed success also I might add....now...
I can totally see where your suggestion of not using the shit at that concentration at this point in the game due to the possibility of suckin out too much juice concentration in said medium and fuckin with the CEC might be a bad thing.....and....you could be right....
As I said above Mr D don`t even use dripclean cuz his old head knowledgeable ass runs low ppms across the board @1.2ec/600ppms , plus he knows his plants inside and out as well , but .....
I`ll continue to preach dripclean @ 1ml per gal "beginning to end" for folks not used to the cation exchange capacity of coco and it`s amazingly DIFFERENT consistencies AND salt deposit buildup in each and every batch...Hell ....even different from pallet to pallet....anyways....
Rule of thumb with coco way back when us old heads first started with it BEFORE dripclean was 15-20% runoff to prevent salt buildup in the medium , and rule #1 was ALWAYS......When in doubt , Flush it out....and start over ppms and ph wise that is.....regardless.....
Hope yas get shit figured out Jnuggster , and yeah I`ve known MANY to go back to their original medium of choice from bein bit in the ass by the coco bitch actin up for em , but.....once understood and dialed....
I never saw more explosive hydro-like growth from ANY medium other than my lavarocks I ran in ebb and flow buckets or my `ol krusty bucket setup.....bar none.....
Peace....DHF....
I hear ya homie.
Just making sure that the OP has fair warning about DC just in case he doesnt read everything off their website.
Its only in the FAQ and not labled on the bottle or even their online directions.
I notice a difference in the buildup on used pots with or without using dc.
Im planning on installing my blumats again and got out my old bottle of dc in the middle of my run, used at 1/2 strength as recommended and ended up with slight burning on my tips and a few spots on the leaves that I can only assume is from residual salts, even though I feed at about 1.2-1.5
Just making sure that the OP has fair warning about DC just in case he doesnt read everything off their website.
Its only in the FAQ and not labled on the bottle or even their online directions.
I notice a difference in the buildup on used pots with or without using dc.
Im planning on installing my blumats again and got out my old bottle of dc in the middle of my run, used at 1/2 strength as recommended and ended up with slight burning on my tips and a few spots on the leaves that I can only assume is from residual salts, even though I feed at about 1.2-1.5
D
DHF
You won`t find any info on dripclean helpin plant media on the instructions/directions cuz it`s designed specifically for feedline equipment and can`t be sold as 2 different products in the med market , much like yas never saw SM-90 marketed as anything more than a surfactant/wetting agent in the Cali market , but......
Before Cali went wild wild west legal med , SM-90 was and IS the shit for rootzone management preventing root rot AND keeping any rootborn critter from hatching in your medium IF innoculated into said substrate/media @ 5 ml per gal from start to finish of your feed schedule , guaranteed.....anyways...
Just tryin ta help.....DHF........
Before Cali went wild wild west legal med , SM-90 was and IS the shit for rootzone management preventing root rot AND keeping any rootborn critter from hatching in your medium IF innoculated into said substrate/media @ 5 ml per gal from start to finish of your feed schedule , guaranteed.....anyways...
Just tryin ta help.....DHF....
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i dunno if you've solved your issue yet, but i've just started using coco too, only on my 3rd go, 2nd real go first was a flop. i'm using it like organic though not hempy. i just hydrate the brick and drain it. i don't know the brand i think GH and another brand they have around here. i never rinse or precharge or whatever. just moisten, drain, mix with amendments. then i let it cook till i'm ready to use. or i plant seedlings right in the mix.
anyway i get the same thing round week 4 or so or 4 weeks after i plant into the mix. i also get a serious K def starting week 2. you seem to have the same issues i've been scratching my head over. i've determined it to most likely be a pH imbalance or a serious Mg deficiency. i'll pH tomorrow i haven't really had the time. i've managed to keep it under control by throwing more magnesium at it which seems to be the thing to do because i hear the huge amount of K available in coco locks it out.
but like i said might still be fixable by a pH change/ imbalance.
but those yellow leaves that aren't falling off are mag def.
anyway i get the same thing round week 4 or so or 4 weeks after i plant into the mix. i also get a serious K def starting week 2. you seem to have the same issues i've been scratching my head over. i've determined it to most likely be a pH imbalance or a serious Mg deficiency. i'll pH tomorrow i haven't really had the time. i've managed to keep it under control by throwing more magnesium at it which seems to be the thing to do because i hear the huge amount of K available in coco locks it out.
but like i said might still be fixable by a pH change/ imbalance.
but those yellow leaves that aren't falling off are mag def.
Thanks DHF and Mister D.
I got two more GH bricks Saturday and hydrated and rinsed with water pH'd to 6.0 (according to my pH tester drops) but probably need one more brick to have enough coir for the third lady.
All I can say so far is that this has been a major PITA for me and bricks are just so fucking messy to work with.
My hydro shop does what the owner likes to call a "Pepsi Challenge" with bagged (pre hydrated/buffered) Canna Coco and Canna A and B.
I can't remember if they said I have to buy the bag of Canna Coco or not but I think I'll try it next month.
Going to get a few more rapid rooter plugs this month and take some cuttings off the mother,she's getting too big for my 4' two bulb shop light I keep her and clones/pre vegging plants under.
Once rooted and a 3 to 5 day pre veg I'll slap them in some Canna Coco and try this "Pepsi Challenge".
If that doesn't work,then fuck it,back to what I know and is simple...FFOF!
I got two more GH bricks Saturday and hydrated and rinsed with water pH'd to 6.0 (according to my pH tester drops) but probably need one more brick to have enough coir for the third lady.
All I can say so far is that this has been a major PITA for me and bricks are just so fucking messy to work with.
My hydro shop does what the owner likes to call a "Pepsi Challenge" with bagged (pre hydrated/buffered) Canna Coco and Canna A and B.
I can't remember if they said I have to buy the bag of Canna Coco or not but I think I'll try it next month.
Going to get a few more rapid rooter plugs this month and take some cuttings off the mother,she's getting too big for my 4' two bulb shop light I keep her and clones/pre vegging plants under.
Once rooted and a 3 to 5 day pre veg I'll slap them in some Canna Coco and try this "Pepsi Challenge".
If that doesn't work,then fuck it,back to what I know and is simple...FFOF!
don't do it bro haha, you're just a victim of shitty coco, it ain't all bad. don't give up on it
Oh I'm not giving up yet brother Hugh...not yet.
Like I said if the way I treated these last bricks,and the transplant to 3 gallon kitty liter buckets doesn't work,I'll have some rooted cuttings to try my hydro shops "Pepsi Challenge" with hydrated,pre rinsed,pre buffered/charged Canna Coco and Canna A and B nutes.
But after that,if things don't work then I'll have to go back to FFOF...I refuse to buy meds because I don't know how they were grown,if properly flushed,etc.
Besides,why the hell would any grower want to pay retail/street prices when they are so used to growing their own for pennies on the dollar lol?!
I'll be keeping this thread up to show any progress or lack there of over the next few weeks to month or so.
Like I said if the way I treated these last bricks,and the transplant to 3 gallon kitty liter buckets doesn't work,I'll have some rooted cuttings to try my hydro shops "Pepsi Challenge" with hydrated,pre rinsed,pre buffered/charged Canna Coco and Canna A and B nutes.
But after that,if things don't work then I'll have to go back to FFOF...I refuse to buy meds because I don't know how they were grown,if properly flushed,etc.
Besides,why the hell would any grower want to pay retail/street prices when they are so used to growing their own for pennies on the dollar lol?!
I'll be keeping this thread up to show any progress or lack there of over the next few weeks to month or so.
Interested in your progress/results.
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