First Timer: 12 Light Coco Multi-feed

[RB26]

IC, when do you like to do your defoliating and cleaning up the undersides?

thanks!

I shoot for under pruning on day 14 of flower and fan leafing on day 21.

Just FYI, and NOT to be argumentative (trolls need not respond), when you eventually "see the light" )) and switch to vertical lighting, ie, bare bulbs, you will have the same size buds on the bottom as you do on the top, with no lollypopping or defoliating necessary, + a 40% or more increase in available light. Also, quite a bit of light passes right through leaves, so although they may appear to be blocking all the light, some is getting through. That is a small point, but bare bulbs make a HUGE difference. Ready for some bud porn now........ Defoliating reduces trimming later, though, so i like it in that respect. All strains react differently to it though.

I definitely hear ya. While I won't switch over exclusively to vertical (all my lamps are being replaced next run with DE fixtures), I am thinking of reconfiguring slightly and dropping some 600W bare bulbs in conjunction with the DE fixtures. I defoliate for several reasons, and won't ever stop. I've run tons of back to back experiments and have all the hard numbers locked away in excel to show the benefits. One major one, as you pointed out, is for trimming purposes. My people dry trim everything and can routinely do 2-3 lbs / day because my final product is so easy to trim.

 

[RB26]

Broke out the DSLR, here is the SS at 3 weeks.

 

[RB26]

Here is the Pheno Hunt at the end of week 3, C99 and CM respectively. CM is crushing it!!!

 

[RB26]

And the Purple Cadillac. High expectations for this gal.

 

[RetroGrow]

I shoot for under pruning on day 14 of flower and fan leafing on day 21.




I definitely hear ya. While I won't switch over exclusively to vertical (all my lamps are being replaced next run with DE fixtures), I am thinking of reconfiguring slightly and dropping some 600W bare bulbs in conjunction with the DE fixtures. I defoliate for several reasons, and won't ever stop. I've run tons of back to back experiments and have all the hard numbers locked away in excel to show the benefits. One major one, as you pointed out, is for trimming purposes. My people dry trim everything and can routinely do 2-3 lbs / day because my final product is so easy to trim.

When I switched to bare bulbs, my yield skyrocketed. Biggest improvement in growing technology in 40 years. Yield pretty much doubles, however part of that is strain dependent. I am partial to sativas, which like to grow tall, so in my last room, I had high ceilings, and just let them go to 8 -9 feet tall, with stacked bulbs. In other words, one light near the tops of the plants (slightly under), and another bulb right below it at the middle of the plant, giving huge colas at the middle and bottoms of the plants. Goodbye popcorn. Those bottom buds are every bit as big and good as those at the top. It's pretty amazing the first time you see it. I think you are more partial to indicas & hybrids, which are shorter, but can be put in a stadium type setup to increase yields pretty massively with bare bulbs. Check out the vert section if you are not familiar with it. Try it in one corner of your garden and you will definitely see the difference. Check out Marlo's WOW thread to see the kind of setup I used, with wall trellises, and plants right against the wall, with branches pulled back to the trellis and spread out to receive maximum light exposure. Of course that's in a smaller, narrower room, as plant numbers have to be limited where I am to under 25. However, I pulled over 11 pounds in a 9X5 room with 22 plants, WAY more than I have ever even dreamed of before. Just an idea. I'm aware that you know what you are doing.

 

[tleaf jr.]

looking good OVO frosty then a sonofbitch ...

 

[DHF]

Wanted ta stop in and show respect IC OVO..I kinda sorta been neglecting the coco forum cuz HGO was keepin folks handled over here , but I see problems rearin their ugly head round here with my boys 5th and Jnugg so I`ll be lurkin more in the future.....now....

I wanna caution yas on strippin leaves as early as day 21 , and to please wait until stretch is completely over and done with where no more vertical or sideways growth is happenin.....then....

Gradually take all fans with stems off for the next week/10-14 days till they`re all gone , and if they`re still poppin out start reducing your micro/cal/mag/or any source of N till they stop , and you`ll be well on your way ta seein em cannibalize themselves sooner with those "fall colors" becoming more noticeable till end of cycle.....

Not tryin ta tell yas what ta do Bro , just tryin ta save yas from mistakes I made early on by listening to a self-proclaimed grow guru nicked Jrosek that told me yrs ago ta strip off ALL fans at day 21 and again at day 45 FTW , and....

What it did was shut down 512 Chem D plants COMPLETELY at 4 locations in 8 rooms and took me an extra 2 weeks for comparable returns in 12 weeks I`d been getting in 10..... anyways......

Keep dialin and good luck....

Peace...DHF..........

 

[RetroGrow]

Wanted ta stop in and show respect IC OVO..I kinda sorta been neglecting the coco forum cuz HGO was keepin folks handled over here , but I see problems rearin their ugly head round here with my boys 5th and Jnugg so I`ll be lurkin more in the future.....now....

I wanna caution yas on strippin leaves as early as day 21 , and to please wait until stretch is completely over and done with where no more vertical or sideways growth is happenin.....then....

Gradually take all fans with stems off for the next week/10-14 days till they`re all gone , and if they`re still poppin out start reducing your micro/cal/mag/or any source of N till they stop , and you`ll be well on your way ta seein em cannibalize themselves sooner with those "fall colors" becoming more noticeable till end of cycle.....

Not tryin ta tell yas what ta do Bro , just tryin ta save yas from mistakes I made early on by listening to a self-proclaimed grow guru nicked Jrosek that told me yrs ago ta strip off ALL fans at day 21 and again at day 45 FTW , and....

What it did was shut down 512 Chem D plants COMPLETELY at 4 locations in 8 rooms and took me an extra 2 weeks for comparable returns in 12 weeks I`d been getting in 10..... anyways......

Keep dialin and good luck....

Peace...DHF..........

Yup, and strain dependent too. Now tell him about vertical bulbs bro, the biggest advance in growing in 40 years, IMO. No need to defoliate when every inch of your plants are bathed in light.

 

[Buddler]

Great looking plants and great advice, your in good hands bro,keep updates coming as this is a great thread. Thank you B...

 

[flat9]

Looking awesome IC OVO!

 

[flat9]

Wanted ta stop in and show respect IC OVO..I kinda sorta been neglecting the coco forum cuz HGO was keepin folks handled over here , but I see problems rearin their ugly head round here with my boys 5th and Jnugg so I`ll be lurkin more in the future.....now....

I wanna caution yas on strippin leaves as early as day 21 , and to please wait until stretch is completely over and done with where no more vertical or sideways growth is happenin.....then....

Gradually take all fans with stems off for the next week/10-14 days till they`re all gone , and if they`re still poppin out start reducing your micro/cal/mag/or any source of N till they stop , and you`ll be well on your way ta seein em cannibalize themselves sooner with those "fall colors" becoming more noticeable till end of cycle.....

Not tryin ta tell yas what ta do Bro , just tryin ta save yas from mistakes I made early on by listening to a self-proclaimed grow guru nicked Jrosek that told me yrs ago ta strip off ALL fans at day 21 and again at day 45 FTW , and....

What it did was shut down 512 Chem D plants COMPLETELY at 4 locations in 8 rooms and took me an extra 2 weeks for comparable returns in 12 weeks I`d been getting in 10..... anyways......

Keep dialin and good luck....

Peace...DHF..........

Freds coming in to drop knowledge once again! Love it.

Hey DHF while you're chiming in on this topic, assuming a 10 week strain, why defoliate fans even that early? Why not wait until say week 9 before taking off anything at all? Don't the plants absorb the light through the fans and transfer that to the buds? Sorry IC OVO not tryin to hijack your beautiful thread, just wanted to see what the resident guru has to say, which may be relevant to you as well...

 

[DabOnDabs]

Freds coming in to drop knowledge once again! Love it.

Hey DHF while you're chiming in on this topic, assuming a 10 week strain, why defoliate fans even that early? Why not wait until say week 9 before taking off anything at all? Don't the plants absorb the light through the fans and transfer that to the buds? Sorry IC OVO not tryin to hijack your beautiful thread, just wanted to see what the resident guru has to say, which may be relevant to you as well...

The fans block a ton of light. By week 9/10 you only want the little leaves protruding from the bud. Anything with a stem is potentially blocking budsides, and not allowing them to ripen to their full potential. Have a look at my thread if you wanna see why you dont wait until week 9 to defoliate

In all seriousness tho flat, you're right. If your turning trim into BHO, and running vertical, The arguement can be made that its a waste of time. On that note, have fun trimming, you're still gonna have to remove all that leaf at some point, and trim day is NOT the day you wanna do that.

 

[papaduc]

tryin ta save yas from mistakes I made early on by listening to a self-proclaimed grow guru nicked Jrosek

You know what though mate, I have to say I've actually had some good results with that method myself. Although the debate itself regarding the "high-yield technique" is a shitstorm wherever it happens.

I'm hoping to put together a good test later on this year in the thread payaso put up in the side by side forum. We'll see what happens over there because I think a few people are on it.

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Far as vertical vs horizontal goes, I'm a vert convert... but.. I still have a soft spot for a nice canopy I've got to admit so I don't confine myself to one method religiously. Imo whatever way you choose to do it, training's the maker or breaker.

A well trained horizontal grow will yield more quality bud per meter than an average vertical, every time. But, do the vert properly, and I think maybe you can push the boundaries that bit more.

The main factor I think in vert vs hori, is the actual yield per square foot.

In 1 sqm of space on a flat, well trained canopy, you might yield an average of about 25oz of top quality bud under a 600w bulb.

I know seasoned heads still argue this point between each other about floor space and wattage etc etc...

What are your opinions Freds?

 

[DHF]

Wow guys , this is IC OVO`s thread , and all I came here ta do was show a lil respect and caution against strippin fans too soon , and yes it`s strain dependent , but done too soon on a more sativa dominant hybrid will fuck up it`s world with a guaranteed recovery period....

Indica dominant hybrids like the BOG cut that was used in the original thread on strippin fans back yrs ago have a much shorter stretch period/time than for instance my `ol Chem D`s , and ......

Since stretch is scientifically proven to be 40% of each strain`s flower cycle , it behoove`s us to air on the side of caution , or suffer the consequences like I did back in the day......now.....

I greatly apologize for the hijack in your thread IC OVO , so guys please start a thread in Vert-ville and we can discuss this shit to ya`lls heart`s content WITHOUT fear of trolls and bullshit cuz it ain`t allowed down there....

Peace...DHF.........

 

[papaduc]

As long as the back and forth doesn't descend to bitching, and doesn't drag on, I think it's all good info and pertinent to OVO's thread brother. Something he can reflect on as food for thought, but like you say, to be looked into or discussed in detail there are other places for that.

Like I say, with regards defoliation and vert vs horizontal, which are two things recent points in the thread, I just want to give my opinion to counter balance what's been said before.

Take care

 

[RB26]

Its all good, I don't mind the conversations as long as people don't start shitting on one another. Otherwise I could case less, someone will find the info useful sooner or later!

 

[RB26]

On another note, I need some help from you guys. I was over at a friend's place today trying to figure out whats going on with some of their plants.

They're having a problem that looks to me like herming buds, but upon closer inspection I'm not so sure. They have multiple strains in the room, and only one is affected. It seems to me if plants were herming, multiple strains would be affected due to circulating pollen. Also, there are no noticeable "sacks" like on male plants, just really odd, burned looking buds. I attached some pictures of a branch I snagged out of the room.

Other info:
- There hasn't been extreme stresses in the room (temp, humidity, co2)
- Nutes are not relatively high (1.4 - 1.7 EC)
- Only a few plants of one particular strain is affected (there are 5 strains total in the room)
- Strain is Super Lemon Haze, 3 weeks into flower
- No noticeable bugs/pests that I could see

Anyone have any info I could bring back to them?

 

[papaduc]

Is the whole room a seed run? I mean are all the plants in there from seed?

 

[that one guy]

hey ovo

is your friends super lemon haze from a feminized seed? or an auto flower cross of some kind (don't think slh comes in an auto flower, but ya never know) ?

i've seen some crazy mutants and strange things from feminized or auto flower strains.

i don't wanna bash breeders who make those kinda things, maybe they've gotten better in the years i haven't been paying attention to them, but i stay away from em...

 

[RB26]

Is the whole room a seed run? I mean are all the plants in there from seed?

Hey papa. No I believe only 1-2 of the strains are from seed, the rest were cuttings from mothers.

hey ovo

is your friends super lemon haze from a feminized seed? or an auto flower cross of some kind (don't think slh comes in an auto flower, but ya never know) ?

i've seen some crazy mutants and strange things from feminized or auto flower strains.

i don't wanna bash breeders who make those kinda things, maybe they've gotten better in the years i haven't been paying attention to them, but i stay away from em...

The SLH are cuttings from mothers. They are definitely not an auto flowering strain, he has run this same strain in the past.