billgee
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never use citric acid as a PH adjuster, nor vinegar
Never, ever
HES RIGHT. Wont kill em, just stress em out
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First grow, not doing well.
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never use citric acid as a PH adjuster, nor vinegar
Never, ever
HES RIGHT. Wont kill em, just stress em out
Billgee, please, don't add to the misinformation brother. You only need to water every day when the plant is justifying it. Not before. If anything, watering his plant every single day with the wrong nutes would have meant it'd be already dead. It has nothing to do with his problems.
And if you want proof of citric acid being used as Ph down, check the increasing number of companies who are now doing a bottled version.
This is from Canna's website. Bear in mind Citric is recommended for use in organic gardening because it's not as harmful to the micro herd and is a source of food for many bacteria:
"If you are growing organically and you need to lower the PH value of your nutrient solution, this Organic PH Down from Canna is the best acid for the job.
Canna Organic PH Down contains 50% citric acid and bacteria and moulds thrive well on citric acid, and therefore also in your water when you use this organic solution.
Canna Organic PH Down is used for the acidulation of your nutrient solution as an alternative to nitric acid and phosphoric acids, as these acids are not really what you want to use with organic nutrient solutions.
How To Use
Add your organic nutrients to your water first and then add Canna Organic PH Down in small amounts to your water, stir well and test the PH level.
Repeat this process until you have reached the required PH level recommended for the organic nutrients you are using."
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My advice is don't pay the silly prices for bottled citric, when you can buy it yourself online for pennies.
But it is fine to use and if you are in any doubt, the pictures at the top of the page are there to show you.
And if you want proof of citric acid being used as Ph down, check the increasing number of companies who are now doing a bottled version.
This is from Canna's website. Bear in mind Citric is recommended for use in organic gardening because it's not as harmful to the micro herd and is a source of food for many bacteria:
"If you are growing organically and you need to lower the PH value of your nutrient solution, this Organic PH Down from Canna is the best acid for the job.
Canna Organic PH Down contains 50% citric acid and bacteria and moulds thrive well on citric acid, and therefore also in your water when you use this organic solution.
Canna Organic PH Down is used for the acidulation of your nutrient solution as an alternative to nitric acid and phosphoric acids, as these acids are not really what you want to use with organic nutrient solutions.
How To Use
Add your organic nutrients to your water first and then add Canna Organic PH Down in small amounts to your water, stir well and test the PH level.
Repeat this process until you have reached the required PH level recommended for the organic nutrients you are using."
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My advice is don't pay the silly prices for bottled citric, when you can buy it yourself online for pennies.
But it is fine to use and if you are in any doubt, the pictures at the top of the page are there to show you.
Spare me your condescending BS lecture. I've forgotten more about growing than you will ever know. I have grown in just about every type medium and used every method there is. You don't even know how to germinate seedlings, yet you are spreading lots of disinformation and outright lies. If you can't germinate seedlings in less than 24 hours, you are doing it wrong, IMO. I wouldn't waste my time with your obsessive compulsive methods. You are dogmatic with your BS. We are dealing with a newbie, and I am referring him to the simplest and most foolproof method of growing in coco, which is the K.I.S.S. method. If you don't like it, that's tough. Some of the best growers on here use K.I.S.S. in coco. And I could care less what particular forum we are in. Who died and made you boss? There's more than one way to skin a cat, your dogma notwithstanding. You have an ego problem, and are a troll. I don't live by your OCD rules. Anyone who starts seedlings in Foxfarms seed starter mix and then transplants to coco after the roots explode will know what I am talking about. You haven't done it, because it violates your OCD rules. I get much better starts that way, regardless of what you think. If you actually did a side by side, you would soon see just how wrong you are. But don't let the truth get in the way of your primitive methods. Coco is the simplest method of growing, yet you make it sound like it's rocket science. It isn't. It's easy peasy, and cheaper, with better results with the K.I.S.S. method. Perfect for a newbie. So sorry to rain on your self absorbed dogma parade, but I'm trying to help the kid out, not lecture him. There are no hard and fast rules on how to do things. People with a bit of imagination, who are not suffering from a personality disorder can find their own tweaks and shortcuts without committing a sin. So keep your proselytizing to yourself. It makes you sound pathetic.
I could care less what you think. Anyone who tries the germination method I referenced knows it works and that's all that matters to me. I have nothing to prove to you. You are dogmatic, and have your obsessive compulsive rules to abide by,I don't. You stick to your inflexible "rules", and I'll do it my way. If your seeds don't germinate in 24 hours, with nice tails, that is your problem, not mine. Try buying some fresh, quality seeds, and a heat mat. Old seeds take longer to germ. And try thinking outside that little box you are stuck in. Oh, that's right, you can't. My mistake. You are so obsessed with arguing and being "right", that you even send me PMs every day to continue your argument, even though I asked you not to message me. Get a life and stop trolling me.
Thanks Papaduc and others. I have been reading so much the last few months I pretty much got things down but obviously there should be warnings on using BioBizz Grow in Coco. Got home today. Plants in bad condition. But watered with Canna Coco A+B and we'll see if they respond well. Still in the dark on EC and only on a circa on pH as my meters haven't arrived yet. I'll post back with pictures soon.
I don't have to prove anything to you. Seeing as how you are only looking for an argument, just as you were in OVO's thread, and seeing how you lie and twist everything around, I wouldn't waste my time trying to prove anything to someone who already knows it all, and has his own hard & fast rules about how things must be done. If OP wants to listen to your bad advice, that is his prerogative. Waste of time trying to "save" a useless, stunted, half dead, one inch seedling, when a new start will blow past it in a week. But I know you want to "save" him, so be my guest. By all means, advise him to do it the more expensive, more complicated, and less effective way. You can be his hero. We wouldn't want him to do it the easier, less expensive, less complicated way, when he can do it your way. It really doesn't confront me. I have better things to do than listen to your sanctimonious BS.
You two need to stop and grow up,or take it to PM.
I never do this but...- rep for both of you.You ha e clearly trolled the poor OP's thread and derailed it with your incessant bitching and whining of who is a better grower.
Either grow up or leave ICmag because we don't need your kind here!
I never do this but...- rep for both of you.You ha e clearly trolled the poor OP's thread and derailed it with your incessant bitching and whining of who is a better grower.
Either grow up or leave ICmag because we don't need your kind here!
Jnugg, you're right. I'm focusing totally on the bad advice, which is a fuckin stupid thing to do and helps the op in no way. I apologise and have deleted the two pointless replies, which should de-clutter the thread a bit. It's dropped far as I'm concerned.
Brugge, Have a read through this thread
Look how similar his plant is to yours, and what difference just 1 week made.
Have a look here as well
Look how his plants started out, and how they finished up.
This fella just harvested that same baby last night or the night before.
It shows how quickly this plant turns around when it gets the food it wants and needs.
Feed at 1.0ec of starter or veg food from the beginning and you'll never see these problems again.
Til you get your ec pen, make up a feed with 2ml each of A&B, soak the pot through with that til you get a good bit of run off, then leave them to drink it over a few days.
Brugge, Have a read through this thread
Look how similar his plant is to yours, and what difference just 1 week made.
Have a look here as well
Look how his plants started out, and how they finished up.
This fella just harvested that same baby last night or the night before.
It shows how quickly this plant turns around when it gets the food it wants and needs.
Feed at 1.0ec of starter or veg food from the beginning and you'll never see these problems again.
Til you get your ec pen, make up a feed with 2ml each of A&B, soak the pot through with that til you get a good bit of run off, then leave them to drink it over a few days.
tokersmoke
Member
1.8ec on a seedling?
Really interested how things work out for you cause im having the same exact problem. also growing in coco and bagseeds theyre a week old and dont look anything like week olds ive seen from others growlogs. they barely have first proper set of leaves.
@papaduc - is canna coco A+B acceptable to use or do i need a specific starter feed?
Starter feed takes the guessing away. Base feed should be good on it's own though. One thing you don't want to do is add in anything else on top of or in place of the main basic feed.
0.6 - 0.8ec on top of your tap water soon as they open out their first little leaves.
0.6 - 0.8ec on top of your tap water soon as they open out their first little leaves.
tokersmoke
Member
Ronsmooth deleted his comments
Ok, so by starter feed, do you mean like something for the roots? Like Rhizotonic?
Or something else like cannazym?
Cheers
