MMAR extension?

[RubeGoldberg]

I keep hearing about an upcoming court decision to possibly extend the MMAR program further?

I am mostly hearing this from the type of fuckers around the grow shop who would have no problem passing on information without fact checking, but haven't seen much online.

Anybody know anything definitive?

 

[Pangea]

Other forum source:

Received by email Today at 6:37 PM: From: "John Conroy" <jconroy@johnconroy.com>


The Federal Court has set March 18th 9:30am as the date for hearing of the motion for an exemption/injunction to continue aspects of the MMAR pending trial of the action.

I was hoping for sooner but no luck so we are down to the wire by the time of decision but I remain optimistic.

John W. Conroy QC
Conroy & Company
Barrister & Solicitor
2459 Pauline Street
Abbotsford, B.C.
Canada
V2S 3S1
Webpage: www.johnconroy.com<http://www.johnconroy.com/>
Email: jconroy@johnconroy.com
Tel: (604) 852 5110
Fax: (604)859 3361

Fingers crossed!!!

 

[Buds Bundy]

Buddy of mine was told by Kirk Tousaw to don't count on it.

 

[blastfrompast]

Everyone I know thinks it is just a "pipe" dream...

 

[VagPuncher]

People are saying it out loud and hoping it comes true.

Especially grow store owners. Business is down, down, down at the shops. Was talking to my main man Matty and Jons and he said they haven't sold a ballast in god knows how long. Just nutes and dirt/coco. I imagine this month will be absolutely terrible for grow stores.

 

[blastfrompast]

Yup, definitely going to hurt the bottom line...

Hate to be the guy in osbourne with the big building (overhead)..

 

[Buds Bundy]

\Was talking to my main man Matty and Jons and he said they haven't sold a ballast in god knows how long. Just nutes and dirt/coco.

Which is nothing wrong with as there's more money in nutrients, additives and small items.

 

[vapor]

Just keep this in mind it is we the people not we the government not we the rcmp not we the pharma corp, the people hold the power. seems to be lost on the youth of today/

 

[Canada]

we the patients 50k vs we the business people of Canada 500k

and on the business side oof things they got more money tooo


We the people cant fund raise 250k for this serious law suit yet one person in business is able to raise that by him self ......



It is and it aways will be ...... WE The Money .....

 

[med-man]

truth is, no one knows till the fat lady sings

med-man

 

[chefboy6969]

we the patients 50k vs we the business people of Canada 500k

and on the business side oof things they got more money tooo


We the people cant fund raise 250k for this serious law suit yet one person in business is able to raise that by him self ......



It is and it aways will be ...... WE The Money .....

You got it...the dollars always WINS..

BIG BUSINESS is HERE TO STAY

LIKE IT OR NOT

peace
Chefboy

 

[Dr. Buddington]

I bet the current program will be extended. Seems like the decision regarding MMAR is being put away till the last second. Together with the clearly labeled mail seems like a little push to get as many people off the old program as possible.
Either way I'm just speculating and counting on MMPR to come into effect in April.

 

[Bmac1]

The second mouse gets the cheese.

 

[Pangea]

I bet the current program will be extended. Seems like the decision regarding MMAR is being put away till the last second. Together with the clearly labeled mail seems like a little push to get as many people off the old program as possible.
Either way I'm just speculating and counting on MMPR to come into effect in April.

I too would wager on the MMAR being extended.

The MMPR already came into full force and effect in june 2013. The two are running concurrently until the MMAR is ended.

 

[TheBlackman]

You got it...the dollars always WINS..

yo
I be of the flavour that be why this rock be so messed up,
money, money, money
people be thinkin' that be the honey,

truth be that it ain't nothin' but one's and zero's
folks be chasin' the dollar forever,
havin' a lot don't make you a hero,

the price humanity and the planet does pay,
rapin' resources, takin' as much as they can every day,

off the broken backs of the modern wage slave,
third world countries have it much worse ya'll can say,

money, money, money,
that be all the rave.

 

[bigbag]

heard from a reliable source, rcmp won't do much if anything for the first 6 months. then they go after the larger scale ones, that are on the radar...

 

[med-man]

numerically, the program wont work right now. i agree with dr bud

this will stand up in court for at least 12-24 months, as the mmpr will be deemed unconstitutional as there wont be safe access for everyone, as far as supply/demand and income/costs arguments. more problems have been created. people should be able to rock 24 plants like in cali. no matter what

med-man

 

[med-man]

at least anyone can get a license noiw, that is great news.

med-man

 

[Pangea]

http://www.johnconroy.com/MMARlitigation.htm

Update-February 4th, 2014

NOTICE TO ALL MMAR LICENSE HOLDERS AS TO STATUS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE AND WHAT TO BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH 18TH, 2014 and BETWEEN THEN AND MARCH 31st, 2014 and THEREAFTER

I expect a decision from the Federal Court on the exemption/injunction application sometime between March 18th,when it will be heard and March 31st, 2014. Sorry but I cannot predict how long a Judge will take to decide the issue, especially when I do not even know who it is going to be, but even then it is always hard to say or predict.

It will be before March 31st, 2014 I can say that.

We are asking the court to compel Health Canada to process all Applications coming in, whether new or old, and any changes requested since September 30th,2013, and to exempt everyone who is 'medically approved' from the CDSA provisions pending trial where we will seek a permanent such exemption.

Everyone who is "medically approved" to use Cannabis has a right to reasonable access to it as medicine for their health. This right arises as a result of s.7 of the Charter.

The federal government, so long as it is exercising jurisdiction over cannabis using the criminal law power, must provide a viable exemption to the criminal law to 'medically approved patients'.

Legalization will substantially change this picture and open things up for the Provinces potentially. Vote for the Liberal Party of Canada's Justin Trudeau who is willing to "legalize". Remember it was his father Pierre and his then Justice Minister Jean Chretien who brought us the Charter without which we would have no argument. The NDP are still talking ³decriminalization² or want another study, and the Conservatives have no respect for the Canadian Constitution and want mandatory minimums and forfeiture. Vote against Harper whatever you do and get all your friends to do so and don't split the vote. If you are usually NDP, hold your nose this time and vote against Harper so we can finally get this thing done!!!

The MMAR despite its defects is/was a viable exemption as it enabled a safe continuous supply at reasonable cost to patients.

The MMPR is not, we say, a viable exemption because, as in the case of Terry Parker, it will cause those who cannot afford black market or licensed producer prices to have to choose between their liberty (being arrested and charged with production of marihuana after March 31st,2014) and their health( accessing the medicine that works for their health issue approved by their doctor and continuing after March 31st,2014).

This amounts to a violation of that patient's constitutional right, under s.7 of the Charter of Rights, to "liberty" and the "security of the person" and the right not to have those rights taken away or deprived except in accordance with "the principles of fundamental justice". That s.7 is engaged is clear from Parker and then last year was affirmed in Mernagh, again by the Ontario Court of Appeal, with leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada having been refused.

In order to reasonably limit a s.7 Charter right the government bears the heavy burden of proving that the limit is, prescribed by law, and is reasonable and demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society under s.1 of the Charter. Here is where the fire, mold and public safety arguments come in to try and justify the changes. They will also come up at the injunction/exemption argument to try and oppose that application.

Any patient who continues to grow their own medicine because they cannot afford the black market, including dispensary/compassion club prices, nor licensed producer prices, and to control quality and continuous supply, and to avoid going back to prior debilitating drugs with massive side effects or simply because this works for your health better than anything else, should be prepared to do the following, if the court does not grant an exemption/injunction to you and you are visited by the police or other authorities:

1. Make sure you have, preferably the originals and certified copies of your "Authorization to Possess"(ATP) available to produce to the police if they attend, to show them that you are "medically approved". It might help to have a copy of that part of the application that was signed by the doctor setting out your "grams per day" and support and copies of at least a summary of your medical situation from your doctor or a copy of the last medical report that has a diagnosis and prognosis etc. WAIVE YOUR RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND TELL THEM YOUR MEDICAL STORY THAT HAS MEDICAL SUPPORT UNDER THE MMAR. Out of an abundance of caution you may want to get something in writing from your doctor that authorizes/approves your use under Narcotic Control regulation 53 so you are Oauthorized¹ under that regulation to possess.

2. Remember the offence under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act is to possess otherwise than as authorized or in accordance with the regulations so if they abolish the MMAR March 31st but you have a note under the NCR you are still legal to possess, in my opinion. Under the MMPR you have to register with an LP and it is the label of their product that determines legality of possession.

3. Be polite and co-operative, but assert that your constitutional rights are being violated by the failure, on the part of the government to provide a viable exemption from the criminal law available to you that includes one that is affordable at reasonable cost within the means of most patients or at least does not preclude patients from accessing at the best price they can and one in which that can exercise some control over what goes into the making of their medicine and its effective quality for them.

4. DO NOT PLEAD GUILTY to any offence. You are not committing one!! Your defense is that you are exercising your constitutional rights under s.7 of the Charter to the security of your person by making a decision of fundamental personal importance about your health to ensure a safe continuous supply of the medicine that works for your health because you cannot afford the only licensed suppliers and the only alternative would be to return to drugs that do not work at least as effectively and/or allow your health to be impaired.

5. Tell them your whole story and then be ready to back it up with documents etc. I think we will be surprised at how sympathetic most members of the public will be once they know the real stories and many police officers, Crown prosecutors and Judges are also sympathetic, in my experience.

6. The best thing that could happen between now and March 18th, 2014 is a barrage of heartbreaking stories all over the National, Provincial and local television and social media news. I have read the many impact statements sent to me and to the Coalition and would love to be able to make them public. Let me know if I can do so in your case if you sent me one. Others please contact you local, provincial and national media and tell them how this 'drug' has made a difference in you life and what the consequences will be to you if you cannot afford the new LP prices and cannot control the quality and quantity of your production and the effectiveness of the strains that have been working for you.

JOHN W. CONROY, Q.C.
Conroy & Company
Barristers & Solicitors
2459 Pauline Street,
Abbotsford, B.C.
V2S 3S1
Tel: 604-852-5110
Fax: 604-859-3361

 

[med-man]

hey pan-man

thanks again for more important info.

those "rules of engagement" are wicked advice from c-roy - pro bono too

med-man