Minions of the Dark

[Seaf0ur]

khalisi

 

[Weyenot]

Hey there good folks Im only done with the fourth page here but I can already tell theres some serious skill here, breeding and growing; much respect SG1 and company!!
Ill be around for sure

 

[Seaf0ur]

welcome right back at ya Weyenot

 

[choom]

@SG1: I'd like to know more
about Jihad and it's lineage..

choom(0:

 

[Pepe le skunk]

Just wondering what does the kelp meal and Alfalfa meal add to the mixture?
What is it's purpose? Nitrogen or something else?
Thank's

My vote is for Oblivion (Afgooey x The purps).
Seems like a good combo.
Pimp Daddy Purps (GDP x The Purps) would be second for purple color and flavor.

 

[Seaf0ur]

kelp and alfalfa are both dynamic bio-accumulators.... kelp absorbs every element in the ocean except salt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_accumulator

 

[Seaf0ur]

Want the specifics?

Alfalfa, Lucerne

11,12-DIMETHOXY-7-HYDROXYCOUMESTIN Plant: DUKE1992A
2-METHYL-PROPANOL Essential Oil: DUKE1992A
3'-METHOXYCOUMESTROL Plant: DUKE1992A
3-METHYL-BUTANOL Essential Oil: DUKE1992A
4-0-METHYLCOUMESTROL Plant: DUKE1992A
4-AMINO-BUTYRIC-ACID Root: DUKE1992A
ACETONE Essential Oil: DUKE1992A
ADENINE Plant: DUKE1992A
ADENOSINE Plant: DUKE1992A
ALFALFONE Plant: DUKE1992A
ALPHA-SPINASTEROL Plant: DUKE1992A
ALPHA-TOCOPHEROL Plant 26 - 257 ppm DUKE1992A
ALUMINUM Plant 135 ppm; DUKE1992A
AMYLASE Plant: DUKE1992A
ARABINOSE Plant: DUKE1992A
ASCORBIC-ACID Plant 1,470 - 9,364 ppm DUKE1992A
ASH Plant 14,000 - 100,000 ppm DUKE1992A Seed 44,000 - 49,830 ppm DUKE1992A
BETA-CAROTENE Leaf 0.06 - 394 ppm DUKE1992A
BETA-SITOSTEROL Plant: DUKE1992A
BETAINE Plant: DUKE1992A
BIOCHANIN-A Plant: DUKE1992A
BIOTIN Plant 0.18 ppm; DUKE1992A
BORON Leaf 25 ppm; DUKE1992A Plant 17 - 45 ppm DUKE1992A Stem 14 ppm; DUKE1992A
BUTANONE Essential Oil: DUKE1992A
CALCIUM Plant 120 - 17,200 ppm DUKE1992A
CAMPESTEROL Plant: DUKE1992A
CARBOHYDRATES Plant 95,000 - 717,000 ppm DUKE1992A Seed 401,000 - 454,135 ppm DUKE1992A
CHLOROPHYLLIDE-A Plant: DUKE1992A
CHOLINE Plant: DUKE1992A
CHROMIUM Plant 9 ppm; DUKE1992A
CITRIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
COAGULASE Plant: DUKE1992A
COBALT Plant 115 ppm; DUKE1992A
COUMESTROL Plant: DUKE1992A
CRYPTOXANTHIN Plant: DUKE1992A
CYCLOARTENOL Plant: DUKE1992A
CYTIDINE Plant: DUKE1992A
DAIDZEN Plant: DUKE1992A
DAPHNORETIN Plant: DUKE1992A
EREPSIN Plant: DUKE1992A
FAT Plant 4,000 - 43,000 ppm DUKE1992A Seed 101,000 - 123,000 ppm DUKE1992A
FIBER Plant 31,000 - 423,000 ppm DUKE1992A Seed 81,000 - 91,732 ppm DUKE1992A
FOLACIN Plant: DUKE1992A
FORMONONETIN Plant: DUKE1992A
FRUCTOSE Plant: DUKE1992A
FUMARIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
GENISTEIN Leaf: JLI PED Plant: DUKE1992A
GUANINE Plant: DUKE1992A
GUANOSINE Plant: DUKE1992A
HEDERAGENIN Plant: DUKE1992A
HENTRIACONTANE Plant: DUKE1992A
HYDROGEN-CYANIDE Plant: DUKE1992A
HYPOXANTHINE Plant: DUKE1992A
INOSINE Plant: DUKE1992A
INOSITOL Plant: DUKE1992A
INVERTASE Plant: DUKE1992A
IRON Plant 54 - 333 ppm DUKE1992A
ISOCYTOSINE Plant: DUKE1992A
L-HOMOSTACHYDRINE Seed: DUKE1992A
L-STACHYDRINE Hay 1,400 ppm; DUKE1992A
LIMONENE Essential Oil: DUKE1992A
LUCERNOL Plant: DUKE1992A
LUTEIN Plant: DUKE1992A
MAGNESIUM Plant 2,300 - 4,400 ppm DUKE1992A
MALIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
MALONIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
MANGANESE Plant 25.3 ppm; DUKE1992A
MEDICAGENIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
MEDICAGOL Plant: DUKE1992A
MOLYBDENUM Leaf 0.028 ppm; DUKE1992A Stem 0.015 ppm; DUKE1992A
MYRISTONE Plant: DUKE1992A
NEOXANTHIN Plant: DUKE1992A
NIACIN Plant: DUKE1992A
OCTACOSANOL Plant: DUKE1992A
OXALIC Plant: DUKE1992A
PANTOTHENIC Plant: DUKE1992A
PECTIN Plant: DUKE1992A
PECTINASE Plant: DUKE1992A
PENTANAL Essential Oil: DUKE1992A
PEROXIDASE Plant: DUKE1992A
PHAEOPHORBIDE-A Plant: DUKE1992A
PHOSPHORUS Plant 510 - 3,100 ppm DUKE1992A
POTASSIUM Plant 12,000 - 20,300 ppm DUKE1992A
PROPANAL Plant: DUKE1992A
PROTEIN Leaf 60,000 - 347,000 ppm DUKE1992A Seed 332,000 - 385,000 ppm DUKE1992A
PYRIDOXINE Plant: DUKE1992A
QUINIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
RIBOFLAVIN Plant 1.4 - 16.1 ppm DUKE1992A
RIBOSE Plant: DUKE1992A
SAPONIN Plant 5,000 - 20,000 ppm DUKE1992A
SATIVOL Plant: DUKE1992A
SELENIUM Leaf 0.026 ppm; DUKE1992A Plant: DUKE1992A Stem 0.015 ppm; DUKE1992A
SHIKIMIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
SILICON Plant: DUKE1992A
SODIUM Plant 170 ppm; DUKE1992A
SOYASAPOGENOLS Plant: DUKE1992A
STACHYDRINE Seed: DUKE1992A
STARCH Plant 30,000 - 80,000 ppm DUKE1992A
STIGMASTEROL Plant: DUKE1992A
SUCCINIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
SUCROSE Plant: DUKE1992A
TANNIN Hay 27,000 - 28,000 ppm DUKE1992A
THIAMIN Plant 1.3 - 7.5 ppm DUKE1992A
TIN Plant: DUKE1992A
TRIACONTANOL Plant: DUKE1992A
TRICIN Plant: DUKE1992A
TRIFOLIOL Plant: DUKE1992A
TRIGONELLINE Plant: DUKE1992A
TRIMETHYLAMINE Plant: DUKE1992A
TRYPTOPHAN Plant: DUKE1992A
VIOLAXANTHIN Plant: DUKE1992A
VIT-E Plant: DUKE1992A
VIT-K Plant: DUKE1992A
WATER Plant 812,000 - 827,000 ppm DUKE1992A Seed 117,000 ppm; DUKE1992A
XANTHOPHYLLS Plant: DUKE1992A
XYLOSE Plant: DUKE1992A
ZEAXANTHIN Plant: DUKE1992A
ZINC Plant: DUKE1992A



Bladderwrack, Kelp

4-(2",4",6"-TRIHYDROXYPHENOXY)-2,2',4',6,6'-PENTAHYDROXYBIPHENYL Plant: DUKE1992A
4-(2",4",6"-TRIHYDROXYPHENYL)-4",6"DIHYDROXYPHENOXY-2,2',4',6,6'-PENTAHYDROXYBIPHENYL Plant: DUKE1992A
ALDOBIURONIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
ALGIN Plant: DUKE1992A
ALGINIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
ALUMINUM Plant 631 ppm; DUKE1992A
ARACHIDONIC-AICD Plant: DUKE1992A
ARSENIC Plant 68 ppm; DUKE1992A
ASCORBIC-ACID Plant 258 ppm; DUKE1992A
BETA-CAROTENE Plant 39.6 ppm; DUKE1992A
BETA-SITOSTEROL Plant: DUKE1992A
BROMINE Plant 150 ppm; DUKE1992A
CALCIUM Plant 30,400 ppm; DUKE1992A
CARBOHYDRATES Plant 655,000 ppm; DUKE1992A
CHLOROPHYLL Plant: DUKE1992A
CHOLESTEROL Plant: DUKE1992A
CHROMIUM Plant 7 ppm; DUKE1992A
COBALT Plant 16 ppm; DUKE1992A
D-MANNITOL Plant: DUKE1992A
FAT Plant 30,000 ppm; DUKE1992A
FIBER Plant 98,000 ppm; DUKE1992A
FUCINIC-ACID Plant 1,000 ppm; DUKE1992A
FUCOIDIN Plant 600,000 ppm; DUKE1992A
FUCOL Plant: DUKE1992A
FUCOPHORETHOLS Plant: DUKE1992A
FUCOSE Plant 240,000 ppm; DUKE1992A
FUCOSTEROL Plant: DUKE1992A
GLUCURONOXYLOFUCAN Plant: DUKE1992A
HENEICOSA-1,6,9,12,15,18-HEXAEN Plant: DUKE1992A
HENEICOSA-1,6,9,12,15-PENTAEN Plant: DUKE1992A
IODINE Plant 300 - 5,400 ppm DUKE1992A
IRON Plant 150 ppm; DUKE1992A
KILOCALORIES Plant 2,490 /kg; DUKE1992A
LAMINARIN Plant: DUKE1992A
LAURIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
LEAD Plant 91 ppm; DUKE1992A
LUTEIN Plant: DUKE1992A
MAGNESIUM Plant 8,670 ppm; DUKE1992A
MANGANESE Plant 76 ppm; DUKE1992A
MANNITOL-DIGLUCOSIDE Plant: DUKE1992A
MANNITOL-MONOACETATE Plant: DUKE1992A
MANNITOL-MONOGLUCOSIDE Plant: DUKE1992A
MERCURY Plant 40 ppm; DUKE1992A
MUCILAGE Plant: DUKE1992A
MYRISTIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
N-HENTRIACONTANE Plant: DUKE1992A
NIACIN Plant: DUKE1992A
OLEIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
PALMITIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
PHLOROGLUCINOL Plant: DUKE1992A
PHOSPHORUS Plant 2,490 ppm; DUKE1992A
PHYTOL Plant: DUKE1992A
PL Plant: DUKE1992A
POTASSIUM Plant 21,100 ppm; DUKE1992A
PRISTANE Plant: DUKE1992A
PROTEIN Plant 65,000 ppm; DUKE1992A
RIBOFLAVIN Plant: DUKE1992A
SELENIUM Plant: DUKE1992A
SILICON Plant 76 ppm; DUKE1992A
SQUALENE Plant: DUKE1992A
STEARIC-ACID Plant: DUKE1992A
THIAMIN Plant: DUKE1992A
TIN Plant 24 ppm; DUKE1992A
VIOLAXANTHIN Plant: DUKE1992A
XANTHOPHYLL Plant: DUKE1992A
ZEAXANTHIN Plant: DUKE1992A
ZINC Plant 6 ppm; DUKE1992A

 

[PakaloloFromPNW]

Hey there good folks Im only done with the fourth page here but I can already tell theres some serious skill here, breeding and growing; much respect SG1 and company!!
Ill be around for sure

You're in the right place. You will find out that our very own Iron has his bud shot on the home page of IC Mag. That's how the minions roll.

 

[PakaloloFromPNW]

Just wondering what does the kelp meal and Alfalfa meal add to the mixture?
What is it's purpose? Nitrogen or something else?
Thank's

My vote is for Oblivion (Afgooey x The purps).
Seems like a good combo.
Pimp Daddy Purps (GDP x The Purps) would be second for purple color and flavor.

C4 is a great source of the details. Here's a short version. Alfalfa will provide a big boost of nitrogen and should not be used after the first few weeks of flowering. Kelp on the other hand is the best all around for a nutrient tea. It will provide lots of 'food' for your micro herd and contains a diversity of minerals that the plant needs. I make a kelp meal tea and feed my plant/micro herd every two weeks.

 

[Seaf0ur]

I simply use Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases

 

[SG1]

Hey there good folks Im only done with the fourth page here but I can already tell theres some serious skill here, breeding and growing; much respect SG1 and company!!
Ill be around for sure

Welcome to the minions thread.
A place to share knowledge, mad science in an understandable way, and foremost, kindness and respect.

All are welcome here

 

[Good Karma]

Genetic drift, genetic memory, de-stabilized are a few of the terms used to indicate that a cutting line has went astray.

In my case, I had my only halo's outdoors with no back up cuttings.
The outdoor Halos began preflowering from an unusually cold and cloudy spring.
By the time I took cuts, it was too late.
Since then, Halo wants to flower.
I tried to revert her with 24 hrs light, after that, she wants to flower even more.

Others claim that potency and vigor are lost from drift, but in my case, just can't get a good veg from her anymore.
Luckily, breeding is not an issue for Halo.
Still using the original cut for seeds, but her original vigor is extinct.

its most likely just a plant which doesn't have the ability to switch back and forth in flower. genetic drift (if its even possible in cannabis) would indicate a change in the actual dna of the plant.

 

[Seaf0ur]

its most likely just a plant which doesn't have the ability to switch back and forth in flower. genetic drift (if its even possible in cannabis) would indicate a change in the actual dna of the plant.

It is possible to change the dna through chemical means such as miticides.... there is also much evidence that flowering makes changes that upon revegging or cloning from a flowering plant... those changes persist... such as the early flowering desires of halo....

SG... was halo also the strain that has stopped throwing many fingered leaves after re-vegging?

 

[SG1]

@SG1: I'd like to know more
about Jihad and it's lineage..

choom(0:

Jihad is the last living plant from my beginning of growing.
She is from a mother afghany indica brought over from Afghanistan in the late 70's.
She was bred from a male recovered from seed from some pressed afghany bud smuggled with a load of blonde afghany hash.

She is a high desert indica cross which has evolved very short pistols for frost protection.
Not a very flavorable weed, but potent and hardy.

 

[PakaloloFromPNW]

I simply use Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases

What!!? You didn't type all that from memory.

I've looked at those databases and have them bookmark but I'm still trying to wrap my head around the basics. They are a great source for details. Sometimes knowing where to look is just as good as memorizing the details.

 

[SG1]

its most likely just a plant which doesn't have the ability to switch back and forth in flower. genetic drift (if its even possible in cannabis) would indicate a change in the actual dna of the plant.

The actual genetics probably don't change.
Maybe a different term is in order.

Weed, much like the metamorphosis of a butterfly, the caterpillar contains the same DNA as the butterfly.
Bud has the same DNA as the vegging plant.
There are chemical processes that do change to allow budding.
In some plants, they just can't go back to a veg state completely.

But I know for sure, the changes are real, though the scientific description of the problem may be incorrect.

 

[choom]

@SG1: Sounds very favorable to me, coincidentally how the O.R. came to the mainland in '73 was very similar! My mentor used to be a hash dealer before he grew; sitting on and selling shipments from his older brother - and one time a customer came back hysterical about a single seed in a pressed brick of Afghan premo, to which my boss was just very forgiving over - the man then goes NO!! NO!! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! and leaves after acting more celebratory briefly. Months later, that same man comes back with bud that was unlike my boss had ever smoked at the time - and he invited him back to his place a little down the same Bambi Farms road..where my mentor was introduced to indoor growing and got started. A lot of very rich history down that valley road.. now the best ice cream in the PNW!!

The O.R. is the mother used in the cross Deadman, both are clone only; The jihad seems like a specimen I would love to breed with

choom(0:

 

[Good Karma]

The actual genetics probably don't change.
Maybe a different term is in order.

Weed, much like the metamorphosis of a butterfly, the caterpillar contains the same DNA as the butterfly.
Bud has the same DNA as the vegging plant.
There are chemical processes that do change to allow budding.
In some plants, they just can't go back to a veg state completely.

But I know for sure, the changes are real, though the scientific description of the problem may be incorrect.

I have a clone which is around 25years old.. shes lost her vigour over time, she has been in hands of those who could have done more to preserve her. unfortunately I understand your pain but I hope that by crossing her I can find some of her best features in the offspring but im not sure. ive read so much about genetic drift and it has been proven in a few trees etc but not cannabis. I actually thing that its more to do with old age and poor expression of genes (im my clones case) rather than true genetic drift or the genes actually spontaneously changing. have you thought of taking your strain to s1 or bx??

 

[SG1]

have you thought of taking your strain to s1 or bx??

Yup!
Already done the bx2 and ready for the bx3.
Will take the original cut to bx6 before I shitcan the original.

 

[Good Karma]

ok fair enough lol has it worked well?