The growing large plants, outdoors, thread...

[bamboogardner]

Growing from properly selected seeds will have amazing vigor. However it's strain dependent. One poor breeding selection can create slow growing unhealthy plants.

Seed plants can result in bigger yields but a less efficient fall harvest than clones with all the extra labeling involved, etc.

The smart grower chooses clones. The grower who loves the excitement of cannabis grows seeds. I grow both. Been making lots of progress on getting some seed lines more consistent with less variation.

Hope everyone's enjoying their winter, may your tanks fill with water and your plants grow big and beautiful.

Peace

Thanks for chiming in Ganja. Well the banter will continue of which is better, seeds or clones. But I must agree with you on the clone issue. If you are growing any quantity, there is enough work in the fall without trying to sort all the phenos, etc.

Now where could one pick up the ganja rebel seed line this year. Will there be any in San Bernardino next week? There are slim pickins at most of the vendors right now.

Thanks again for chiming in and happy upcoming spring (hope there is enough water).

 

[milkyjoe]

Seed vigor really comes down to how well the plant that produced them was grown. Get luxury levels of trace/ultra trace in that soil, including cobalt to prevent senescence and take them plenty long so the seed gets nice and fat and contains plenty of minerals and you are good. I would trust damn few breeders to understand that...not saying none, just saying damn few.

Good seed innoculants are also good insurance. Chuck a pinch in the bag with the seeds, shake em up and you just helped yourself get off to a much nicer start.

 

[Sir D]

I apparently have a digital stuttering problem. So much for ganja being MIA still wish I knew where to get some of his beans but I'll settle for a cut at this point.

Last year I did a side by side with beans and cuts and the cuts where fresh just popped and put in the ground and i got great yields from them too so this year I'm taking cuts from the beans and sorting out phenos so guess I'm doing both as well.

Hey has anyone tried vegging at 14 hrs of light so you don't have to use supplement lighting? Happy growing everyone!

 

[bamboogardner]

Hey has anyone tried vegging at 14 hrs of light so you don't have to use supplement lighting? Happy growing everyone!

Very good question. The supplemental lighting is sort of a headache, but it works. I have had semi good luck reducing the lighting, but never that low. Chime in peeps.

 

[mendo420]

Seeds for large plants.

Seeds for large plants.

A seed will always produce more than a cutting.
period end of discussion.

The way I do it up here in Mendo is seeds.
Genetics has a lot to do with it and how its grown.
I keep with in my guide lines of 25 plants per parcel.
so that being said

If I could run unlimited plants I would throw out 1000 cuttings in July and grow puny little plants. Way easier to manage. The LARGE plants are a bitch to manage.

But I cant. 25 is the limit.
I have to make every plant count!

What people perceive as a large plant is different. Some people its 2# some its over 5#.

We are talking about large plants right?

People think you can get a large plant from clones.
May be they can, I cant.
Its all what your perception of a large plant is.
I have a very different perspective of what a large plant is.



I also have a breading agenda to follow threw.
I'm growing and breading for true outdoor monsters!
I always want to do better every season.
Testing last seasons hybrids before release is important to me.
Sometimes its a winner some times not. That's the game with seeds.
You take a chance and learn. Like I did last year with a certain vendors seeds. FUCKING horse feed crap weed!!!!

I'm sticking with my seed this year.
and what a line up 2014 is.......

 

[GreenHands13]

A seed will always produce more than a cutting.
period end of discussion.

The way I do it up here in Mendo is seeds.
Genetics has a lot to do with it and how its grown.
I keep with in my guide lines of 25 plants per parcel.
so that being said

If I could run unlimited plants I would throw out 1000 cuttings in July and grow puny little plants. Way easier to manage. The LARGE plants are a bitch to manage.

But I cant. 25 is the limit.
I have to make every plant count!

What people perceive as a large plant is different. Some people its 2# some its over 5#.

We are talking about large plants right?

People think you can get a large plant from clones.
May be they can, I cant.
Its all what your perception of a large plant is.
I have a very different perspective of what a large plant is.

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I also have a breading agenda to follow threw.
I'm growing and breading for true outdoor monsters!
I always want to do better every season.
Testing last seasons hybrids before release is important to me.
Sometimes its a winner some times not. That's the game with seeds.
You take a chance and learn. Like I did last year with a certain vendors seeds. FUCKING horse feed crap weed!!!!

I'm sticking with my seed this year.
and what a line up 2014 is.......

I agree seeds will overall considering there good genetics but clones taken from good genetics can get huge as well

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I don't mean to misrepresent, none of the seed stock that we are going to run is stuff that is offered from Ganja Rebel , Humboldt Seed Organization , local clubs or any other seed peddler. I wouldn't trust any of those seeds. I'm sure there may be good stuff in them, I'm just not going to be the guy to find out.

The only seeds worth running are those that have already been proven to throw a high % of uniform winners out doors over multiple years...Usually they're bred outdoors and selected outdoors as well. After all, how could breed a strain for success outside in an indoor climate? The answer is..you can't.

One seed line I would take a HEAVY look at is the Longbottom Leaf...It's done well for pretty much every one I know for a lot of years in a row and we are finally going to get on the train after growing a cutting selected out of the line last year with good success as well as doing a seed project with the line last Spring and rating the progeny high.

To me what makes a seed line good is a high % of uniform winners , the ability to continue the line forward with out fixing traits that reduce the quality of the line...

Being able to continue lines forward without random expressions popping up is something that is impossible to do with today's 5 way crosses that are more and more popular because people want to grow OG Kush or GSC. Another important factory to me is being able to cross out to other proven Mothers (proven by pollinating to other lines and growing the progeny and having the dominant/recessive traits cataloged) and create F1s with progeny that rate high.

This selection criteria disqualifies 99% of stuff out there.

 

[GreenHands13]

I don't mean to misrepresent, none of the seed stock that we are going to run is stuff that is offered from Ganja Rebel , Humboldt Seed Organization , local clubs or any other seed peddler. I wouldn't trust any of those seeds. I'm sure there may be good stuff in them, I'm just not going to be the guy to find out.

The only seeds worth running are those that have already been proven to throw a high % of uniform winners out doors over multiple years...Usually they're bred outdoors and selected outdoors as well. After all, how could breed a strain for success outside in an indoor climate? The answer is..you can't.

One seed line I would take a HEAVY look at is the Longbottom Leaf...It's done well for pretty much every one I know for a lot of years in a row and we are finally going to get on the train after growing a cutting selected out of the line last year with good success as well as doing a seed project with the line last Spring and rating the progeny high.

To me what makes a seed line good is a high % of uniform winners , the ability to continue the line forward with out fixing traits that reduce the quality of the line...

Being able to continue lines forward without random expressions popping up is something that is impossible to do with today's 5 way crosses that are more and more popular because people want to grow OG Kush or GSC. Another important factory to me is being able to cross out to other proven Mothers (proven by pollinating to other lines and growing the progeny and having the dominant/recessive traits cataloged) and create F1s with progeny that rate high.

This selection criteria disqualifies 99% of stuff out there.

Having seeds that aren't all uniform doesn't necessarily mean that their bad genetics just means it's heterozygous. Most seeds around are going to be heterozygous. Ganja rebel seeds has IBL strain meaning it is homozygous containing 2 dominant alleles or two recessive alleles. And it's always possible to continue lines forward without to many different traits you have to grow a lot of them and pick the dominant ones out of the Bach then repeat that process several times for example if you plant 100 seeds and 40 of them show the same dark lush green color and the rest are some what sporadic you know that those are the ones you want to pic from then repeat the process and keep seaching for dominant genotypes that's what IBL is in bred line homozygous plants can be and are created from heterozygous plants I'm willing to bet if you have a homozygous strain unless it's a land race it came from someone that knows what their doing and created it from a heterozygous strain. This is the only way to produce a seriously uniform seed crop.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

That's what I'm saying. 99% of breeders aren't putting in the work to create uniform seed crops that can be continued forward by the home grower...

 

[GreenHands13]

That's what I'm saying. 99% of breeders aren't putting in the work to create uniform seed crops that can be continued forward by the home grower...

Ya most breeders aren't and definitely should be.

 

[bamboogardner]

People think you can get a large plant from clones. May be they can, I cant.

Thanks Mendo for your chime in. Hopefully others will add their experiences too, but we have to respect that Mendo is one of the trailblazers in the large plant growing. But weighing in the fact that some seeds are duds, horse feed, or generally just pieces of crap, maybe that is enough to counter the fact that clones do produce less. So maybe a couple of 200's growing clones actually produce more than the same amount of 200's growing seeds, but not having the quality from the seed.

I think in a perfect environment seeds would be the way to go. Personally, I don't know and am about to pop a shit load of seeds after San Bernardino. But I will be putting in the clones too. Can't put all my eggs in one basket.

Mendo, Ganja, Butte and others. You guys are the leaders, trailblazers and most of us are just here to gather information from you folks. Please feed our quest to gain the most knowledge we can before spring.

Thanks

 

[Stank J.P.]

I am really wondering about vegging just over 14 hours on some blue dreams and chem d's then throwing them out in mid may (real close to natural light schedule) and seeing if they will go strong or get funky three blade on me. I would love to try seeds but can't come up on any winners down in socal. Sorry if that came out scattered, was watching Faber get smashed.

 

[OrganicBuds]

Mendo, Ganja, Butte and others. You guys are the leaders, trailblazers and most of us are just here to gather information from you folks. Please feed our quest to gain the most knowledge we can before spring.

Thanks

I second this for sure.

I am really wondering about vegging just over 14 hours on some blue dreams and chem d's then throwing them out in mid may (real close to natural light schedule) and seeing if they will go strong or get funky three blade on me. I would love to try seeds but can't come up on any winners down in socal. Sorry if that came out scattered, was watching Faber get smashed.

Supplemental outdoor lighting is the answer here.

 

[fisher15]

To a bountiful 2014..

To a bountiful 2014..

Happy near year fellas, sorry its been awhile for me. Last season was very much a success. In my experiment between 400 gallon bags, 3-4 yard mounds, and trenches, the mounds were largest and happiest. Followed closely by the trench plants. I've followed Yes4Prop215's lead and disposed of all those dumb pots. Will still use them in the deps, but not in any full season garden I do.

Speaking of light dep, I'll be cutting clones by the end of this month. Last year I ran 30's and 50's in the short season. This year we're doing 100's, in Vermifire. Setting up a new project..it's going to be impressive

Wishing everyone luck on their start. See yas in San Bernardino.

 

[Stank J.P.]

I second this for sure.




Supplemental outdoor lighting is the answer here.

Supp. lighting isn't an option at my location.

Is there an expo or something in Bernardino coming up? If there is you would think there would be some reputable seed vendors there right?
Go Broncos(and under 48)!

Awesome Fisher... I want to get on that level.

 

[OrganicBuds]

Go Broncos!

 

[bamboogardner]

Happy near year fellas, sorry its been awhile for me. Last season was very much a success. In my experiment between 400 gallon bags, 3-4 yard mounds, and trenches, the mounds were largest and happiest. Followed closely by the trench plants. I've followed Yes4Prop215's lead and disposed of all those dumb pots. Will still use them in the deps, but not in any full season garden I do.

Those are some pretty awesome plants fisher. Were they started as clones or seeds? Also, what is your spacing between mounds there and did you just mound on top of the soil, or go down. Width of the mound too please. Thanks

 

[Payaso]

This thread is simply amazing...

 

[furrywall11]

Fisher -- why do you think the mounds work best?

 

[anonymousgrow]

if your trenches are big enough, why wouldnt trenches be better than mounds? aside from extra work??