URGENT:Need help putting polyester on Cannabis Sativa

[shaggyballs]

I want weed like we had back in the 70's!!!!!
What is the best way to apply polyester to Cannabis Sativa?

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[Only Ornamental]

What have the '70s to do with polyester and cannabis? Stockings in weed design or hemp beer in PET bottles?

I propose you to read also something general about polyester (like Wiki).

Why do you intend to put PLASTIC on your buds???

 

[3rdEye]

hahaha leisure suit weed?

 

[shaggyballs]

hahaha leisure suit weed?

Glad someone got my joke.
Non USA people get a free pass
PHCA is a polyester

PHCA (Polyhydroxycarboxylic Acid) is widely used in agriculture as an additive to fertilizer applications to significantly enhance the uptake of macro and micro-nutrients.
Research on crops consistently shows a 30% increase in nutrient uptake, and also translocation through the plant when PHCA is combined with fertility applications.

PHCA acts as a nutrient mining agent assisting the plant to solubilize applied nutrients and accumulated nutrients already present in the soil.

• Helps plant solubilize and actually extract nutrients from the soil while increasing translocation of nutrients in the plant

• PHCA is extremely effective when impregnated onto a Calcium source. When applied, it works immediately aiding the plant in solubilizing the applied Calcium and the accumulated Calcium in the soil from previous applications.

• PHCA shows consistent performance in increasing root development, increasing plant health, vigor and nutrient translocation.

I have found that a lot of big AG companies are using Poly-Hydroxy-Carboxylic-Acids (PHCA) as a effective leaf penetrator in their foliar sprays.

I am interested in a making a DIY leaf penetrator for foliar applications.
And I was wondering if it can be also used in hydroponics?

Any additional info would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

I have attached a few PDF's for reference purposes.

 

[Only Ornamental]

Aha, gotcha! You're even a crazier scientist than myself LoL!

But before you conquer the world, Pinky, you have to know what sort of PHCA you should take, isn't that so?
I mean, you need to know which monomer is used and you also need to know the polymers molecular weight or the number of monomers/units per chain.
Obviously, applying stockings, PET bottles and leisure suits (even if shredded) to your field crop is called environmental pollution and obviously won't help increase harvest yields .
Did you search on sciencedirect.com?

 

[Granger2]

You'll also be needing this fine piece of music [first track]. Enjoy. -granger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiwoFK8nwZ0

 

[Only Ornamental]

Hi Granger
Dunno but I get the impression you're poking some fun at us... and maybe not only in this thread... Besides, tunes were on vinyl, not polyester.
See, I don't know you nor your humour so you might explain me your definition of irony .

 

[RoadRash]

I have a Tom Jones Greatest Hits CD, if that'll help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvmyTZEqlo8

 

[shaggyballs]

Aha, gotcha! You're even a crazier scientist than myself LoL!

But before you conquer the world, Pinky, you have to know what sort of PHCA you should take, isn't that so?
Are you saying it may be a proprietary mix?
I mean, you need to know which monomer is used and you also need to know the polymers molecular weight or the number of monomers/units per chain.
Obviously, applying stockings, PET bottles and leisure suits (even if shredded) to your field crop is called environmental pollution and obviously won't help increase harvest yields .
FYI Polyester pant suits and jump suits were very popular in the USA during the 70's......one of those ya had to be there things

Did you search on sciencedirect.com?
I will!!

This may be a dead end for me I thought it was a simple substance that was readily available.

Back on topic:
"I pinky must rule the cannabis world!!!"
I mean all I know is it makes a good leaf penetrator.

 

[Only Ornamental]

This may be a dead end for me I thought it was a simple substance that was readily available.

Back on topic:
"I pinky must rule the cannabis world!!!"
I mean all I know is it makes a good leaf penetrator.

Sorry, but PHCA is not a defined substance but a family of a family or something like that...
The family hydroxycarboxylic acids (HCA) contains already many structures, most simple ones like GHB, lactic and glycolic acid or branched ones such as citric and tartaric acid, aromatic ones like salicylic acid, or hydroxy fatty acids such as ricinoleic acid etc. etc. These are called monomers when speaking of polymers .
'Poly' indicates simply a polymere of above mentioned monomers, it does neither indicate which one or which ones form the polymer (it could be a homo-, block-, heteropolymer or a dendrimer etc.), nor how the units are linked or how many there are. Also, there's no indication whether it is linear, 2- or 3-D branched or whatever.
By convention (rather assumption), a PHCA is a polyester. But it could also contain other bonds (types of linkage) between the monomeres such as ethers and anhydrids instead or could contain additional bonds.
Check out the Wiki pages for 'polyester' and 'polymer' .

So as long as you don't know which PHCA you really want, let it be! Plus, they are only theoretically biodegradable. Usually, it takes a lot of time or at best an industrial compost. Meaning, whathever PHCA you spray on your plants, you gonna smoke plastic at the end ROFLMAO.

 

[shaggyballs]

You wealth of knowledge is astounding!!!
Looks like the forms I am interested in are acetic, formic, citric.
I am familiar with using citric and ascorbic acids.
Does ascorbic acid fall in this category?

How are formic and acetic acids used in agriculture?
Thank you for all your time!!!
Shag

Me no wanna smoke plastic eewwww!!!

 

[Only Ornamental]

No. In its open ring form, ascorbic acid would be a hydroxy carboxylic acid but as such it is a so-called vinylogous acid. Theoretically, it is polymerisable in the same way...
Why?

 

[shaggyballs]

According to my notes:
ascorbic acid help keep stomata open and stomatal conductance high. And in turn help keep rate of photosynthesis high as well as carbon fixation (Co2 intake) and Ca and B uptake and movement within plant, etc.

So it would help with leaf penetration .....thought maybe it was that simple.....not so much!

But Formic acid is safe for bee's
Would anyone know the foliar application rate of formic acid and or malic acid?
So far it looks like malic acid application rate should be the same as citric acid????
My notes would indicate malic acid increased the chlorophyll content is some cultivars.
It would seem citric acid readily converts to malic acid in Krebs cycle...So using both together seems redundant and some speak of a negative crosstalk.

So it looks like my focus will be on formic and malic acid.
Although I see formic acid can be used as a herbicide.

Malic acid is produced by apples. Sour Patch candy is dusted with crystals of sugar and malic acid.
If you can eat it thats gooood!
Malic Acid also has good chelating properties.
Looks like it is an amino acid Too!
And maybe has natural insecticide properties???/
http://drearth.net/blog/products/organic-killer-sprays/vegetable-garden-insect-killer/

Malic acid
http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/148/3/1547.full.pdf

 

[Granger2]

OO,
Hunh? Seldom poke fun at anybody here. Unless I'm mistaken, I thought this was a joking around thread. Just adding to Shaggy's 70's music suggestion, but I actually do think the Theme from Shaft is a fine piece of music. -granger

 

[Only Ornamental]

Arrr... haven't seen that Shag himself started with the tune, sorry.

Dam Shag, you completely played me, you bastard!!! How could you!!
ROFLMAO!!!

 

[shaggyballs]

What does ROFMAO mean???
Cause I bet I am doing it right now!!!!!
That song I posted was edited in later for effect. It reminds me of being a child(still a kid at heart)!!!!!
ROFMAO

Sorry by the way!

ROFMAO

 

[Only Ornamental]

ROFLMAO: Roll On Floor, Laughing My Ass Off

 

[shaggyballs]

ROFLMAO: Roll On Floor, Laughing My Ass Off

What?.....You don't need to spell it out for me!

All the time???????
WTF(now I know that one)

Yep I was ROFLMAO!!!

Shaft was a classic representation of the 70's but TROG was one of my favorite.
Did ya get a chance to listen to the words?? ROFLMAO!!!

Back on topic:
"I pinky must rule the cannabis world!!!"
Dam it! I did it again.
Really this time.

Would anyone know the foliar application rate of formic acid and or malic acid?
So far it looks like malic acid application rate should be the same as citric acid????

 

[Only Ornamental]

Dude, you should really start growing for science!

You don't need to boost the Krebs cycle if you have healthy plants .
Or, citric acid (as it's cheaper I suppose) can be used as 'pH down' in your daily nutrient soup... just saying...
And why would you want to spray formic acid round your room? That stuff stinks like bad vinegar! Did you know that it is called 'formic' because ants (Formica sp.) us it to spray on enemies and prey?

 

[shaggyballs]

Dude, you should really start growing for science!
I am trying!!!
I have no background in science at all.
I know I ask a lot of silly questions.....I learn best that way.
You have helped me through a few issues already, but good help is hard to find.
That is why I am so thankful for your advice!!!!
When I get off track (SMACK) you get me back on track!
I am just feeling my way through things the only way I know how.
You don't need to boost the Krebs cycle if you have healthy plants .
So this could have some benefit if my plants are not at optimum health?
Or, citric acid (as it's cheaper I suppose) can be used as 'pH down' in your daily nutrient soup... just saying...
Yes I agree!!!.....I am currently using it 50/50 with ascobic acid for PH down.
And why would you want to spray formic acid round your room? That stuff stinks like bad vinegar! Did you know that it is called 'formic' because ants (Formica sp.) us it to spray on enemies and prey?
Now that you have said that I don't think I do!!!

Do you have any information using malic acid as a foliar spray?
Shag