Vaccinations: Good, Bad or Just Plain Ugly

[Harry Gypsna]

my point is the bad reaction isn't the 1 in billion they like to make out. I know of a few elderly who got vaccinated and became instantly sick for nearly a month and are still reeling from it.

Still a tiny proportion when you look at the big picture. Most people do not have these reactions.

 

[harold]

the human body can take a horrific amount of abuse before it shows symptoms.

There is No Such Thing as a Safe Vaccine and There Never Will Be

Paul Fassa, Natural Society
Waking Times

Making vaccines safe by removing their toxins (greening), or telling people they have a right to look at vaccine ingredients before deciding whether to vaccinate or not may be the politically correct form of vaccination resistance. It does help avoid some of the wrath from vaccination high priests. However, the very nature of our immune systems and what vaccinations do to artificially stimulate immunity makes safe vaccinating an oxymoron.

The Fallacy and Dangers of Artificial Immune Stimulation

Bypassing our normal immune system pathway and inserting an artificial immune response stimulant (vaccination) with or without added toxins has inherent dangers. Few articulate this better than Dr. Suzanne Humprhies.

“The doctor was never taught in medical school how to take care of an immune system, so what you end up with is a whole society, from start to finish, that doesn’t know how an immune system works, that doesn’t know how to take care of it, does not know how to replenish the nutrients and minerals that are needed, when it fails, it’s God’s fault. We need a vaccine. They think Mother Nature is flawed.”

Dr. Humphries explains further that the only thing a vaccine accomplishes as an immune response is the appearance of an antibody, and an antibody is only one small aspect of all the human immunity factors. Injecting diseased matter through the skin into the blood bypasses the normal immune system and creates an immune imbalance that can, and often does, result in infection from the disease it purports to protect.

Dr. Humphries also discusses how infants have a developing immune system. A healthy mother’s breast milk offers the most protection during the baby’s first year (as much as 80% protection), largely by supporting intestinal flora. Injecting them with contaminants within the first few months presents both immediate and long term damage to their developing immune systems.

Other immunity disruptions occur from vaccinations. The result of inter-reacting vaccine ingredients cascading through one’s body is often ill health effects that show up later if not sooner. The facts are that the USA has the largest childhood vaccination schedule, yet ranks higher in infant mortality and poor childhood health than all other developed nations.

This deathbed statement reportedly made by Pasteur is ignored by the medical mafia: “Bernard (Bechamp) was right; the pathogen is nothing; the terrain is everything.” Unfortunately, killing and artificially “protecting” against germs is more profitable. The trade-off for this illusion of immunity is increased auto-immune disease , vaccine injury, permanent disability, and death.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

the human body can take a horrific amount of abuse before it shows symptoms.

There is No Such Thing as a Safe Vaccine and There Never Will Be

Paul Fassa, Natural Society
Waking Times

Making vaccines safe by removing their toxins (greening), or telling people they have a right to look at vaccine ingredients before deciding whether to vaccinate or not may be the politically correct form of vaccination resistance. It does help avoid some of the wrath from vaccination high priests. However, the very nature of our immune systems and what vaccinations do to artificially stimulate immunity makes safe vaccinating an oxymoron.

The Fallacy and Dangers of Artificial Immune Stimulation

Bypassing our normal immune system pathway and inserting an artificial immune response stimulant (vaccination) with or without added toxins has inherent dangers. Few articulate this better than Dr. Suzanne Humprhies.

“The doctor was never taught in medical school how to take care of an immune system, so what you end up with is a whole society, from start to finish, that doesn’t know how an immune system works, that doesn’t know how to take care of it, does not know how to replenish the nutrients and minerals that are needed, when it fails, it’s God’s fault. We need a vaccine. They think Mother Nature is flawed.”

Dr. Humphries explains further that the only thing a vaccine accomplishes as an immune response is the appearance of an antibody, and an antibody is only one small aspect of all the human immunity factors. Injecting diseased matter through the skin into the blood bypasses the normal immune system and creates an immune imbalance that can, and often does, result in infection from the disease it purports to protect.

Dr. Humphries also discusses how infants have a developing immune system. A healthy mother’s breast milk offers the most protection during the baby’s first year (as much as 80% protection), largely by supporting intestinal flora. Injecting them with contaminants within the first few months presents both immediate and long term damage to their developing immune systems.

Other immunity disruptions occur from vaccinations. The result of inter-reacting vaccine ingredients cascading through one’s body is often ill health effects that show up later if not sooner. The facts are that the USA has the largest childhood vaccination schedule, yet ranks higher in infant mortality and poor childhood health than all other developed nations.

This deathbed statement reportedly made by Pasteur is ignored by the medical mafia: “Bernard (Bechamp) was right; the pathogen is nothing; the terrain is everything.” Unfortunately, killing and artificially “protecting” against germs is more profitable. The trade-off for this illusion of immunity is increased auto-immune disease , vaccine injury, permanent disability, and death.

I just googled "The waking times".
The 1st thing I saw was "The spirituality of pets". I don't need to see any more.

 

[Max Headroom]

They think Mother Nature is flawed.

ain't that the fucking truth.
pretty much all of science thinks that.

 

[gaiusmarius]

the whole vaccination issue is not that easy to decide on. there is plenty of very serious research out there arguing that injected vaccinations are a health risk due to additives and preservatives as well as excellerants used in the manufacture of most vaccines. on the other hand we did abolish polio, the pest and tetanus pretty much. now some say polio, pest etc was defeated by social developments in hygiene.

when it comes to vaccines, it is quite easy to look up the ingredients and what they do to you in various doses, this information alone is worrying in a lot of cases when looked at objectively.

then you also have the amazing health of people like the Amish who do not take any vaccinations what so ever. they never get sick, their children don't suffer from autism except in rare cases where the parents decided to let the "english" (non Amish) doctor talk them into vaccinating their kids. to me this is a powerful argument. specially as they are not the only group where the above applies.

for those that think they can trust the general view on vaccination without studying the issue them selves might well be shocked if they actually do take a look at some of the documentation from the anti vaccine lobby. just like the medical benefits of cannabis were being repressed and lied about for decades, the vaccine issue might well be another case where the main stream is in error. do remember the pharma industry is earning billions on vaccines and no one should put it past them to sell vaccines that are not of any use, just for profit, because any study of the pharma industry will have you discovering a kind of organized mafia that has it's top employes working in the regulation industry one week and then switching to pharma ceo the next week earning billions on regulation he just helped to draft and implement while working as a regulator. so i'd say these guys can not be trusted, they will do anything for money. have you noticed how early they now recommend vaccines? new born's are getting multiple vaccines. have you noticed how many vaccines are now recommended compared to when we were kids? it used to be that babies didn't get vaccines, in fact the mother milk is the ultimate vaccine and means earlier vaccination is just about money. the sheer amount of vaccines they want to give a growing human being by the time he is 21 is mind boggling and there is no way that much mercury and thymerosol etc can be good for you.

so yeah very difficult subject, specially because it is very hard to know who you can really trust about this issue.

 

[Harry Gypsna]

the whole vaccination issue is not that easy to decide on. there is plenty of very serious research out there arguing that injected vaccinations are a health risk due to additives and preservatives as well as excellerants used in the manufacture of most vaccines. on the other hand we did abolish polio, the pest and tetanus pretty much. now some say polio, pest etc was defeated by social developments in hygiene.

when it comes to vaccines, it is quite easy to look up the ingredients and what they do to you in various doses, this information alone is worrying in a lot of cases when looked at objectively.

then you also have the amazing health of people like the Amish who do not take any vaccinations what so ever. they never get sick, their children don't suffer from autism except in rare cases where the parents decided to let the "english" (non Amish) doctor talk them into vaccinating their kids. to me this is a powerful argument. specially as they are not the only group where the above applies.

for those that think they can trust the general view on vaccination without studying the issue them selves might well be shocked if they actually do take a look at some of the documentation from the anti vaccine lobby. just like the medical benefits of cannabis were being repressed and lied about for decades, the vaccine issue might well be another case where the main stream is in error. do remember the pharma industry is earning billions on vaccines and no one should put it past them to sell vaccines that are not of any use, just for profit, because any study of the pharma industry will have you discovering a kind of organized mafia that has it's top employes working in the regulation industry one week and then switching to pharma ceo the next week earning billions on regulation he just helped to draft and implement while working as a regulator. so i'd say these guys can not be trusted, they will do anything for money. have you noticed how early they now recommend vaccines? new born's are getting multiple vaccines. have you noticed how many vaccines are now recommended compared to when we were kids? it used to be that babies didn't get vaccines, in fact the mother milk is the ultimate vaccine and means earlier vaccination is just about money. the sheer amount of vaccines they want to give a growing human being by the time he is 21 is mind boggling and there is no way that much mercury and thymerosol etc can be good for you.

so yeah very difficult subject, specially because it is very hard to know who you can really trust about this issue.

Can you point to some mainsteam peer reviewed studies pointing to the lack of/much lower incidence of Autism amongst the Amish? I can see there being a lower incidence of it being picked up on, due to much less interaction with doctors, teachers etc. ALso, it is not unusual for these religious groups to put health issues down to the devil.

It is a FACT that Smallpox has been eradicated entirely from the human population, and now only exists in labs, and this is 100% down to the use of Vaccines.
I've read lots of "Documentation" from anti-vaxxers, none of it is ever in a real medical journal, and it is usually from people who think crystals have magic healing powers, and that magic water/sugar pills are real medicine (I am of course talking about the nonsense that is homeopathy). If the only place iot can get published is Some wacky magic water website, or a "journal" set up by the wacky woo crew, then it's probably best used for wiping your arse when you run out of bog roll.

 

[TheCleanGame]

My child had a single vaccination at birth. No multiples, just the one. Based on the reaction they had to the single shot, I'm lucky to have said no to the rest or I most likely would not have a child right now.

The issue is not about the particular vaccine, strain or additives... the BASE MATERIAL that the vaccines are grown in are vats of cancer cells. The documentation from these companies say straight out that there is no way to screen out ALL the cancer cells. Therefore, getting vaccines is a great way to pick up cancer cells.

The human immune system is absolutely amazing... when you feed it real food, the right way for your body.

Stop eating the S.A.D. (Standard American Diet) and get back to real food. Wouldn't you rather have a sore throat for 45 minutes while everyone else has that and a cough for 2 weeks? I was sick 4-6 times a year, every year, for the first 4 decades of my life. Since switching to real food (no additives, preservatives, highly refined, synthetic, etc) for my blood type I have been sick about 6 days in 2 years and 4 of those days were the superflu that went around.

These organizations give you little reason to trust and significant reasons to distrust... why are you jabbing your kids with their products?

Keep it Clean!

 

[Green lung]

at way to pick up cancer cells.

The human immune system is absolutely amazing... when you feed it real food, the right way for your body.

Stop eating the S.A.D. (Standard American Diet) and get back to real food. Wouldn't you rather have a sore throat for 45 minutes while everyone else has that and a cough for 2 weeks? I was sick 4-6 times a year, every year, for the first 4 decades of my life. Since switching to real food (no additives, preservatives, highly refined, synthetic, etc) for my blood type I have been sick about 6 days in 2 years and 4 of those days were the superflu that went around.

These organizations give you little reason to trust and significant reasons to distrust... why are you jabbing your kids with their products?

Keep it Clean!

You sound like a fucking germ factory holy shit 4-6 times a year!. I've been jabbed with more needles and have had every vaccine known to man and I haven't been sick in years.

Getting sick come from VIRUSES, you can't get the flu by eating a bag of doritos.



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[Banefoul]

Preventative medicine. Prevents return customers. Learned first day at medical school.

 

[harold]

a vaccination is a form of homeopathy.

http://www.yourmedicaldetective.com/public/335.cfm

Iatrogenic Disease: The 3rd Most Fatal Disease in the USA

and why do we still have so much faith in there procedures?

 

[TheCleanGame]

Getting sick come from VIRUSES, you can't get the flu by eating a bag of doritos.

Your naivete is showing. Food is one of the primary reasons that people get sick or don't. Look it up yourself.

Go ahead folks... jab your kids and your dogs. I'm not the one that has to bury them or explain to them why you damaged them.

Keep it Clean!

 

[Green lung]

Your naivete is showing. Food is one of the primary reasons that people get sick or don't. Look it up yourself.

Go ahead folks... jab your kids and your dogs. I'm not the one that has to bury them or explain to them why you damaged them.

Keep it Clean!

How did you get the super flu? I thought you were eating good food for the last 2 years lol.


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[gaiusmarius]

the one thing that you have to admit is that most people that take vaccinations are perfectly ok. so in most cases you will be lucky and not see any damage. but the statistics do show that there is a % of the population who will be adversely effected by being vaccinated. so it's a numbers game. the other question is are they really all needed, or is there another scam going on making us take more vaccines then are actually beneficial or sensible?

 

[420somewhere]

So, If you get sick from a Flu Shot.....

So, If you get sick from a Flu Shot.....

the one thing that you have to admit is that most people that take vaccinations are perfectly ok. so in most cases you will be lucky and not see any damage. but the statistics do show that there is a % of the population who will be adversely effected by being vaccinated. so it's a numbers game. the other question is are they really all needed, or is there another scam going on making us take more vaccines then are actually beneficial or sensible?

You tend to remember and not get a Flu shot next year.

If you had a bad reaction twice, what would you do?

 

[unregistered190]

I have passed on the vaccination this year...I try to practice good hygiene and take my chances.

 

[Tonygreen]

I never got a flu shot and um I never get the flu, maybe once every few years if that?

Funny cuz I know alot of people that get it and they always get sick. lol

Id say no unless yer 92 and in rough shape.

 

[TheCleanGame]

How did you get the super flu? I thought you were eating good food for the last 2 years lol.


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That super flu was not like any other flu I've ever experienced. My immune system cranked through it in just a few days. Never felt so good while being so sick in my life. Crazy.

Everyone else was out for at least a week or two.

I just think it's asinine to jab your kid with something if you've not taken the due diligence to research the subject yourself. Really not smart to inject a child or anyone else with cancer cells.

At least most vaccines aren't made the 'egg' way anymore... with that route there was always the risk of cross contamination with 'other' stuff being grown in other areas of the egg, at the same time. *shudder*

Now it's just a straight up cancer risk, along with all the potential issues with the additives and whatnot.

A well fed, well taken care of immune system doesn't need any 'help' from the white coats and their embossed/framed pieces of paper.

Keep it Clean!

 

[harold]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials.

They spray us, we get sick and then they come up with the hyped solution.
problem reaction solution.

 

[trichrider]

Can you point to some mainsteam peer reviewed studies pointing to the lack of/much lower incidence of Autism amongst the Amish? I can see there being a lower incidence of it being picked up on, due to much less interaction with doctors, teachers etc. ALso, it is not unusual for these religious groups to put health issues down to the devil.

It is a FACT that Smallpox has been eradicated entirely from the human population, and now only exists in labs, and this is 100% down to the use of Vaccines.
I've read lots of "Documentation" from anti-vaxxers, none of it is ever in a real medical journal, and it is usually from people who think crystals have magic healing powers, and that magic water/sugar pills are real medicine (I am of course talking about the nonsense that is homeopathy). If the only place iot can get published is Some wacky magic water website, or a "journal" set up by the wacky woo crew, then it's probably best used for wiping your arse when you run out of bog roll.

Vaccination Causes Autism – Say US Government & Merck’s Director of Vaccines

Posted on June 30, 2010 by ChildHealthSafety
A New Scientist article 29 June 2010 by Jim Giles states:-

We still do not know what causes autism.“
Desperate measures: The lure of an autism cure
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That is not correct. Here we set out four ways autistic conditions are caused and confirmed by statements from the current President of pharmaceutical giant Merck’s Vaccines Division, by US Government agencies, by the US Federal Court and in formally published academic journal papers.
If you read nothing else we strongly recommend you read this PDF Download – Text of May 5th 2008 email from US HRSA to Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News]. In it the US Health Resources Services Administration [HRSA] state to CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson

We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.” [Text added 10 April 2011]
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The first known cause of autism was rubella virus. So not only is New Scientist an unreliable source of information, this cause of autism has been known since the 1960s. And rubella virus is one of the three live viruses in the MMR vaccine.

… rubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism.“ Walter A. Orenstein, M.D. US as Assistant Surgeon General, Director National Immunization Program in a letter to the UK’s Chief Medical Officer 15 February 2002.
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rubella virus is one of the few known causes of autism.” US Center for Disease Control.
“FAQs (frequently asked questions) about MMR Vaccine & Autism” [ED 8/Apr/12: This is the web archive of the CDC page - you will need to search in or scroll down the page to see the text. As papers cited on the original page by the CDC as evidence for no link with the vaccine have been steadily discredited it seems the CDC has decided to remove the page and it seems someone has been deleting the archived versions of the page from the web archive too].
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rubella can cause autism” The Pediatrician’s Role in the Diagnosis and Management of Autistic Spectrum Disorder in Children – PEDIATRICS Vol. 107 No. 5 May 2001
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Journal references:

Chess, S. Autism in children with congenital rubella. J Autism Child Schizophr. 1, 33-47 (1971).
Chess S. Follow-up report on autism in congenital rubella. J Autism Child Schizophr. 1977;7:69 –81
Ziring PR. Congenital rubella: the teenage years. Pediatr Ann. 1997;6: 762–770
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People who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autistic conditions following vaccination. The current President of Merck’s Vaccines Division, Julie Gerberding confirmed to CBS News when she was Director of the US Centres for Disease Control that:

….. if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.“
HOUSE CALL WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA – Unraveling the Mystery of Autism; Talking With the CDC Director; Stories of Children with Autism; Aging with Autism – Aired March 29, 2008 – 08:30 ET
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Mitochondrial dysfunction is claimed to be “rare” but is not. It can apply to a minimum of 20% of cases.
And this was said when Gerberding was then head of the US Centres for Disease Control – budget US$11 billion. It followed from award winning author and journalist David Kirby breaking the story of the Hannah Poling case, secretly settled by the US Government. It was after this story broke that it started to be acknowledged that autism has an “environmental” cause and is not solely an “internal” condition [ie not determined solely by genetics]: AUTISM – US Court Decisions and Other Recent Developments – It’s Not Just MMR
[Gerberding went from the US agency charged with promoting vaccines [CDC] directly to become vaccine maker Merck’s Director of Vaccines Division: Dr. Julie Gerberding Named President of Merck Vaccines – 21 Dec 2009 – Merck & Co., Inc.
Autistic conditions can result from encephalopathy following vaccination. The US Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) confirmed to CBS News that of 1322 cases of vaccine injury compensation settled out of court by the US Government in secret settlements:-

We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.” [PDF Download - Text of email from US HRSA to Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News]
CBS News Exclusive: Leading Dr.: Vaccines-Autism Worth Study Former Head Of NIH Says Government Too Quick To Dismiss Possible Link – WASHINGTON, May 12, 2008
Vaccine Case: An Exception Or A Precedent? – First Family To Have Autism-Related Case “Conceded” Is Just One Of Thousands – CBS News By Sharyl Attkisson WASHINGTON, March 6, 2008
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Measles and mumps are two of the three live viruses in the MMR vaccine. Exposure to live measles or mumps viruses can cause encephalitis:-

measles and mumps can cause significant disability, including encephalitis“
The Pediatrician’s Role in the Diagnosis and Management of Autistic Spectrum Disorder in Children – PEDIATRICS Vol. 107 No. 5 May 2001
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So there is direct evidence that live measles, mumps or rubella viruses separately can cause encephalitis leading to autism.
More troubling is that this has been known for a long time. So the risks of giving very young children a vaccine containing three live viruses all at once were known. These two World Health Organisation papers published nearly 40 years ago set out the hazards:

Virus-associated immunopathology : animal models and implications for human disease”:
1. Effects of viruses on the immune system, immune-complex diseases, and antibody-mediated immunologic injuryBulletin of The World Health Organisation. 1972; 47(2): 257-264.
2. Cell-mediated immunity, autoimmune diseases, genetics, and implications for clinical researchBulletin of the World Health Organisation. 1972; 47(2): 265-274.
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Autistic conditions can result from acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) following MMR vaccination as held by the US Federal Court in the case of Bailey Banks. In his conclusion, US Federal Court Special Master Abell ruled that Petitioners had proven that the MMR had directly caused a brain inflammation illness called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) which, in turn, had caused the autism spectrum disorder PDD-NOS in the child:

The Court found that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD [an autism spectrum disorder]. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was… a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.
[Banks v. HHS (Case 02-0738V, 2007 U.S. Claims LEXIS 254, July 20, 2007)].
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And what does not cause autism?

Autism is not “caused” by “genes”

Dr Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. the 16th and current Director of the US$30.5 billion budget National Institutes of Health [nominated by President Obama: NIH News Release 17th August 2009 ] stated in evidence to US House of Representatives Committee May 2006 when Director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute:

“Recent increases in chronic diseases like diabetes, childhood asthma, obesity or autism cannot be due to major shifts in the human gene pool as those changes take much more time to occur. They must be due to changes in the environment, including diet and physical activity, which may produce disease in genetically predisposed persons.“
Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. evidence to US House of Representatives Committee May 2006
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Collins controls the US $30.5 billion annual medical research budget and is a leading medical doctor and geneticist who led the Human Genome Project.
Autistic conditions affect 1 in 100 US children. They affect 1 in 64 British children [1 in 40 are boys] according to a Cambridge University study.

ESTIMATING AUTISM SPECTRUM PREVALENCE IN THE POPULATION: A SCHOOL BASED STUDY FROM THE UK
Conclusions: The prevalence estimate of known cases of ASC, using different methods of ascertainment converges around 1%. The ratio of known to unknown cases means that for every three known cases there are another two unknown cases. This has implications for planning diagnostic, social and health services.”
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It is estimated to cost the UK £28 billion per annum [roughly US$42 billion]: ["Economic Consequences of Autism in the UK" - London School of Economics - Study by team led by Professor Martin Knapp [Executive Summary]



http://childhealthsafety.wordpress....y-us-government-merck’s-director-of vaccines/

will this do?

 

[Harry Gypsna]

a vaccination is a form of homeopathy.

http://www.yourmedicaldetective.com/public/335.cfm

Iatrogenic Disease: The 3rd Most Fatal Disease in the USA

and why do we still have so much faith in there procedures?

I'm sorry but no, vaccination is not "A form of homeopathy" Vaccines are based on the idea of introducing antibodies in the system, with the intent (and usually the result) of inducing immunity in the individual. Homeopathy is a new age woo, based upon 2 nonsense ideas, these being that water has memory, and can recall the properties of substances diluted in it, along with the notion that the something that causes the same symptoms of an illness, can treat the illness. What is a fact, is that Homeopathic "remedies" don't even contain one single molecule of what they are supposed to contain, and no Homeopathic "remedy" has EVER been shown under scientifically controlled conditions to be as good/better than a conventional medicine.
The other nonsense in Homeopathy is that they claim diluting things makes them more potent. If that's true, I think I've found a solution to the financial problems of every junkie in the world, they can buy a £10 bag once, dilute it in a bucket of water and get smashed forever.....

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