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Thanks Zen, I'll check it out.
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advanced nutrients coco formula out
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Any updates on this from anyone running the new coco nutes?
I've been wanting to give coco another try since I'd given up on it without properly balanced nutrients. I really like the idea of coco and how it's an exceptionally green, sustainable medium. I just haven't been able to get satisfactory performance out of it myself.
I'm really hoping the Advanced Nutrients coco is as great as their other stuff.
I've been wanting to give coco another try since I'd given up on it without properly balanced nutrients. I really like the idea of coco and how it's an exceptionally green, sustainable medium. I just haven't been able to get satisfactory performance out of it myself.
I'm really hoping the Advanced Nutrients coco is as great as their other stuff.
^ not conclusive yet.. have a sensitive plant set growing out, and babies behind them, so can't speak yet. I really want to test the Ca/Mg
I'm more concerned nothing has worked for you yet.. I would suspect your water quality / coco source is a problem. I've run so much stuff through coco, I would think something on your end is ending you up not where you want..
coco is amazing, peat can kiss my behind.. think of coco as the future.
let us know your water source / coco you use, we'll help get you sorted.
I'm more concerned nothing has worked for you yet.. I would suspect your water quality / coco source is a problem. I've run so much stuff through coco, I would think something on your end is ending you up not where you want..
coco is amazing, peat can kiss my behind.. think of coco as the future.
let us know your water source / coco you use, we'll help get you sorted.
guerilllataktic
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i am running the conni as a stand alone right now and it's great, it is my first time running any thing AN besides big bud, i dont buy into all of the bullshit additives the put out, next i will be trying sensi a+b coco line next to compare the two moonshine man runs sensi a+b as a stand alone if its good enough for him its good enough for me, thank you for sharing and keep us updated
i used ph perfect sensi coco a/b bloom only.
my ph always stayed at 5.9 as advertised.
buds are looking good and fading quickly as i am giving them only water.
thing I'm finding out with the bottles is.. you get burn on seedlings if your even dosing 1ml a liter. they grow out of it, but kinda weird, as that's a low dose.. wonder if it's the high iron or what is making the plants burn, as there still light green...
MG75, did you grow from clone I'm assuming?
want to hear other's feedback on seedlings, as I find this a real problem, as something is being overdosed on.. never seen this with canna / H&G / GH..
there great after they hit to veg stage, but until then it seems a little rough on them, as I mentioned light green for a while then they start to green up once they hit a nice root mass I find.
I need to do more testing, but I'm still unsure there levels of ca/Mg, and am going to do a analysis on it soon.. threw my other test kit so have to order another one.
MG75, did you grow from clone I'm assuming?
want to hear other's feedback on seedlings, as I find this a real problem, as something is being overdosed on.. never seen this with canna / H&G / GH..
there great after they hit to veg stage, but until then it seems a little rough on them, as I mentioned light green for a while then they start to green up once they hit a nice root mass I find.
I need to do more testing, but I'm still unsure there levels of ca/Mg, and am going to do a analysis on it soon.. threw my other test kit so have to order another one.
^ $35 I think, last I remember , not sure as I have not got the bill yet.
but here's the results, going to post it again so to make sure as many people can view it as I want people to know..
so obviously, that's a boat load of iron in it! second is the lack of Mg what I would call a lack of, and would have expected the K to be a tad higher.. so this is 8/8 as the other test with canna ran that, so I thought to compare.
so I'm noticing right now, running 12ml A / 12ml is good for veg, but still have to play with it as it's very early to say.. what I'm more wondering if anyone can answer, is this is a very expensive nute to run is it not? I don't want to start comparing to jacks, but compared to other nutes I don't recall going past 5ml / 5ml on H&G, and there's the obvious 6/9 .. this program runs 24ml+ a gallon, that's 83 gallons of nute, and I'm not sure price, maybe $12 a liter so $24 for 83 gallons.. kinda seems high to me, but I've never really priced anything ever..
so the test was done with very very accurate tools, with an error of .1 ml so.. also used distilled water this . shook the nute bottle and dosed a couple times to make sure the nutrient was flowing though before adding to the water.. I notice on the A bottle, as I have mine in glass, there is mucho stuff at the bottom that needs to be mixed very very well.. don't expect to shake once and get it all stirred up.... so anyone knows if they use it.
I'm just kinda surprised, anyone else? was expecting more Ca / more Mg , and far less iron.
here's the canna for reference:
but here's the results, going to post it again so to make sure as many people can view it as I want people to know..
so obviously, that's a boat load of iron in it! second is the lack of Mg what I would call a lack of, and would have expected the K to be a tad higher.. so this is 8/8 as the other test with canna ran that, so I thought to compare.
so I'm noticing right now, running 12ml A / 12ml is good for veg, but still have to play with it as it's very early to say.. what I'm more wondering if anyone can answer, is this is a very expensive nute to run is it not? I don't want to start comparing to jacks, but compared to other nutes I don't recall going past 5ml / 5ml on H&G, and there's the obvious 6/9 .. this program runs 24ml+ a gallon, that's 83 gallons of nute, and I'm not sure price, maybe $12 a liter so $24 for 83 gallons.. kinda seems high to me, but I've never really priced anything ever..
so the test was done with very very accurate tools, with an error of .1 ml so.. also used distilled water this . shook the nute bottle and dosed a couple times to make sure the nutrient was flowing though before adding to the water.. I notice on the A bottle, as I have mine in glass, there is mucho stuff at the bottom that needs to be mixed very very well.. don't expect to shake once and get it all stirred up.... so anyone knows if they use it.
I'm just kinda surprised, anyone else? was expecting more Ca / more Mg , and far less iron.
here's the canna for reference:
Fantastic stuff!
I can get AN Sensi Grow or Bloom at $26 for the liter set, $80 for the 4L set, $174 on the 10L set, and $346 for the 23L set.
At the lowest cost, you're looking at $0.0075 per ml. Using a total of 24ml per gallon (12ml of A and 12ml of B) that's a cost of $0.18 per gallon - Pretty in line with most of the non-bargain nutrients. I think the Lucas formula runs somewhere around $0.12 per gallon, so this AN line is maybe 50% more expensive, although eliminating the pH controllers might make the cost a little closer when it's all added up.
from what i understand it the ph (buffered) of the nutrients that makes them better for coco ( according to advanced nutrients.) im unclear what the deal with the iron is but like someone said they apparently think its important because there is alot of iron in the lines. from my understanding its the sensi a and b and conni a and b nutes that are "ph perfect" for coco. im interested in this because i have been growing in coco for about 4 years now and i do half my plants with the house and garden cocos line plus their (most of them) additives and the other half with biobizz nute line so i can have organic meds for myself and for the people i share with that only smoke organic. its weird because i swear some people prefer the h&g buds over the organic. i think they like it because the buds are a little bigger and denser (but not by much) so the bag appeal aspect comes into play i have to ad ph down to the biobizz line so i would like to see a "ph perfect"organic line for coco.
from my own experience....
100% organic nutrients in coco do not do as well as hydroponic.
i would also suggest you feed at every watering and do it until at least 50% run-off. so if your pot is 3 gallons, water/feed it at least 3 gallons. i know you may be wasting nutrients and water, but this way you can insure your coco has the right ph and ppms. this has saved me a lot of trouble with lockouts and the general health of the plant. i also use z7 with every watering and inject air into my reservoir before and while mixing the nutrients. coco does much better with 100% mineral nutrients (ph stability), frequent waterings, 50%+ runoff, and light to moderate feeding.
100% organic nutrients in coco do not do as well as hydroponic.
i would also suggest you feed at every watering and do it until at least 50% run-off. so if your pot is 3 gallons, water/feed it at least 3 gallons. i know you may be wasting nutrients and water, but this way you can insure your coco has the right ph and ppms. this has saved me a lot of trouble with lockouts and the general health of the plant. i also use z7 with every watering and inject air into my reservoir before and while mixing the nutrients. coco does much better with 100% mineral nutrients (ph stability), frequent waterings, 50%+ runoff, and light to moderate feeding.
This is extremely wasteful!
You really waste half of every bottle of nutes?
Thats disgusting!
It sounds like you dont water often enough and let the coco start to dry or you wouldnt see any of those issues.
Theres no need for even 10% runoff and theres absolutely no reason to inject air into your res when pouring water through a substrate!
Water enough to get the entire container wet and stop before you see water pouring out of the bottom of the pot.
If you didnt add enough water you wont see anything come out of the bottom. You really just need a tiny bit running out.
If you are doing multiple feeds per day you dont even need that much!
coconutz,
i know there are many ways to grow and everyone has his/her own way. it is possible that you are right. i follow redman's rules and it works for me no matter what coco brand or nutrient line i use.
http://flyingskull.net/redmans-rules.php
i know there are many ways to grow and everyone has his/her own way. it is possible that you are right. i follow redman's rules and it works for me no matter what coco brand or nutrient line i use.
http://flyingskull.net/redmans-rules.php
i tend to agree with cocos... you shouldnt be letting your coco dry out between waterings, its not soil. keep it moist and water frequently. i tend to feed with every watering but at half strength. i am now using house and garden (half strength) on half my plants and biobizz (full strength) on the other half. the quality is comprable but the house and garden yields alot more and i have no ph issues or nutrient deficiencies i need to compensate for like the bio bizz plus there is very little fading with the house and garden until flush. im not sure if the coco locks up organics more or why that happens with the biobizz but every thing is exactly the same except the nutes. just my 2 cents.
Sounds like theyre trying to sell nutrients.
Im not selling nutes and I can promise you 99% of that shit is wrong for coco.
However they did mention you shouldnt let your medium dry out even 50%.
Id argue its more like 75% with coco, but close enough
