Terpene profile: Sinsemilla v.s. seeded

[Dropped Cat]

Seeded bud is fine, if it's potent as seedless, than seeded can be
more manageable, understandable.

Some seedless bud is like listening to music that's too loud.

Seeded bud lets you enjoy the music without hurting your ears,
so to speak.

Sam?

 

[Jhhnn]

I got in a argument about this...

I was saying during a recent triming session,

''getting the hermie seeds out of the GDP and shit we were trimming was not only good for ''bag appeal'' but I argued that any seed left in the buds would make it taste like shit.''

One of the guy said ''Nope that just a rumor/urban legend''. He seemed cocksure about it too.
He claimed he hearded that seeds in your bud or DO NOT effect the flavor of said buds.

So yes or no? Thx just read this whole thread and Im not seeing a consensous here..
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Also, I can speak to the idea of a organism putting its energy in reproductive organs verus not having to do that.

In trout farming/aqua culture the biologist discovered... if they raised/bred trout without gonads (reproductive organs) they would mature faster and grow bigger. There called tripoloids ( do a goggle if you wish). Anyways, trout that dont have gonads grow faster and bigger becuase they don't waste calories and energy on gonads, instead all said energy goes into getting bigger sooner.

^ This is a great example and might explain higher yeilds in SENSI...wow mind blown

Seeds don't hurt the flavor of the bud unless you actually smoke them. Whole, they'll sometimes pop like popcorn. Don't use a grinder, either, until you've picked out all the seeds. Even heavily seeded bud is easy to deal with once you know how.

Every old hippie knows how to deal with seeds.

 

[pinkus]

He claimed he hearded that seeds in your bud or DO NOT effect the flavor of said buds.

So yes or no? Thx just read this whole thread and Im not seeing a consensous here..

I think there has been miscommunication somewhere along the line ( no shit, right?): Seeded weed is fine for smoking, tastes roughly the same but maybe less intense. It will be less potent (as in having less volume of the good stuff)....BUT seeded weed is fine to smoke as long as you take the seeds out before you smoke it or grind it. It will not smoke well with seeds left in.


With de-seeding being a ritual for so long, I never dreamed it would have to be explained. Yes kids, there was a hellish time, a time before sinsemilla.

EDIT: some other old hippie beat me too it...

 

[Jhhnn]

With de-seeding being a ritual for so long, I never dreamed it would have to be explained. Yes kids, there was a hellish time, a time before sinsemilla.

EDIT: some other old hippie beat me too it...

Ha-ha! Found a vid for junior tokers, just in case they ever need it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov15-H5oQVA

Seeds are why cannabis can never be eradicated, and the means by which humans have spread it most everywhere.

 

[pinkus]

^^^close, but it needs to be done with a double album. lol double albums were the perfect tool to take the beans out of your lids

they looked like this,

and in fact I used this one pretty damn often

 

[3rdEye]

Ornamental i suspect that upon further testing you'll find a variety of physiochemical sensitivities regarding floral/seeded hormones within the entire genus.

 

[Apache Kush]

I agree with only burning or buring ground up seeds by mistake. We all done that once in while. I guess only when you burn and pop a random seed in a bowl does it really fowl up the taste and give you head aches etc.. Makes sense now thx. all..sorry for getting off topic a bit

 

[shaggyballs]

I got in a argument about this...

I was saying during a recent triming session,

''getting the hermie seeds out of the GDP and shit we were trimming was not only good for ''bag appeal'' but I argued that any seed left in the buds would make it taste like shit.''

One of the guy said ''Nope that just a rumor/urban legend''. He seemed cocksure about it too.
He claimed he hearded that seeds in your bud or DO NOT effect the flavor of said buds.

So yes or no? Thx just read this whole thread and Im not seeing a consensous here..

It is not just the increase of bud/size, it is the increase in terpenes twice the amounts of the same plants grown pollinated, regardless of what the article states it does make a big difference, I can tell you I can smell the difference between the same clone seeded, or not. It is easy for me. But if all you want to know is if the terpene profle changes, not in quanity but quality, I should still say yes because there is a big difference between the smells of seeded or not. Maybe it is just a doubling of all the terpenes, and that does make the big changes. I do not think the terpenes are different meaning completly different terpenes, just cut in half by seeding.
Take two identical clones, seed one and not the other, then smell them and tell me what you think. Oh and some people have no sense of smell at all, I have a super developed sense of smell, I can smell differences that most do not smell.
-SamS
Proof here

http://www.internationalhempassociation.org/jiha/jiha5107.html

I think I would take his word for it !
It has been my experience also.
1-2 seeds probably not noticeable unless your Sam.
But the more seeds you have the less terpenes you have.
If your still in doubt...
As Sam suggests give it a shot.

 

[Coconutz]

I was reading some of DJ Shorts tips earlier today and tried to find this thread again.
Im not sure if its been mentioned yet, but he seems to think seeded adds to the cannaboid profile for a wider range of effect.

"A quick word about the virtues of hermaphrodites: Ask any old-time herbalist, one who has been experiencing fine herb since at least the early 1970's, what their favorite all-time herbal variety was, and the answer will be something to the effect of; “Santa Marta or Acapulco Gold” or “Highland or Chocolate Thai” or “Punta Roya (red-tipped gold Highland Oaxacan)” or “Guerran Green” or “Panama Red” etc. et. al., all of which were equatorial, or sub-tropical, origin sativa and hermaphroditic. Even the great hashish of the era such as Lebanese Red and Blonde, all Moroccan and Nepalese were produced from seeded stock.

This is not so much in praise of the hermaphrodite as it is a suggestion in regard to the cannabinoid profile of seeded verses non-seeded herb. It has been my experience that the cannabinoid profile of seeded herb produces a wider range of effect than from non-seeded, or sinsimilla, herb. The equatorial environment also probably contributed to a wider range of cannabinoids. One of the aspects of the equatorial environment is its consistent day/night temperature range, there is little difference between day and night temps on the equator supposedly inspiring a wider cannabinoid profile. Couple this with the seeded cannabinoid profile and it becomes easy to understand the popularity of the equatorial produced sativa, despite its hermaphroditic problems. I am curios as to what future research in this capacity may provide.
This is not so much in praise of the hermaphrodite as it is a suggestion in regard to the cannabinoid profile of seeded verses non-seeded herb. It has been my experience that the cannabinoid profile of seeded herb produces a wider range of effect than from non-seeded, or sinsimilla, herb. The equatorial environment also probably contributed to a wider range of cannabinoids. One of the aspects of the equatorial environment is its consistent day/night temperature range, there is little difference between day and night temps on the equator supposedly inspiring a wider cannabinoid profile. Couple this with the seeded cannabinoid profile and it becomes easy to understand the popularity of the equatorial produced sativa, despite its hermaphroditic problems. I am curios as to what future research in this capacity may provide."
https://vutra.org/topic/9935-tips-on-breeding-by-dj-short/

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Nothing gets added when plants are pollinated and make seeds. Exactly the opposite, less terpenes by half and less Cannabinoids by maybe 20% or more. I think anyone that deny this are just plain wrong. I have tested via GC many clones seeded or not and I am sure no other Cannabinoids are present because of pollination, as well as less Cannabinoids are present, and the same with terpenes, nothing new and lots less.
Great Colombian is not very inter-sexed, the same with great Mexican, Thai is well know to be inter-sexed,
Nepalese can be from seedless, but most often it is from seeded NLD (what everyone used to call SATIVA).
All the other hashes you mention are also made from seeded WLD (what were called Indica plants) except that Moroccan is not WLD it is NLD and Lebanese is a mix of WLD/NLD.
Inter-sexed varieties can be bred to eliminate the inter-sexed plants, I do not want to keep inter-sexed plants around as they should not be used without extreme care in selection to get rid of the inter-sexed genes. They unimproved should not be used to make seeds to be sold, it just adds to the inter-sexed load on the drug gene pool, which is just lazy breeding.
-SamS

I was reading some of DJ Shorts tips earlier today and tried to find this thread again.
Im not sure if its been mentioned yet, but he seems to think seeded adds to the cannaboid profile for a wider range of effect.

"A quick word about the virtues of hermaphrodites: Ask any old-time herbalist, one who has been experiencing fine herb since at least the early 1970's, what their favorite all-time herbal variety was, and the answer will be something to the effect of; “Santa Marta or Acapulco Gold” or “Highland or Chocolate Thai” or “Punta Roya (red-tipped gold Highland Oaxacan)” or “Guerran Green” or “Panama Red” etc. et. al., all of which were equatorial, or sub-tropical, origin sativa and hermaphroditic. Even the great hashish of the era such as Lebanese Red and Blonde, all Moroccan and Nepalese were produced from seeded stock.

This is not so much in praise of the hermaphrodite as it is a suggestion in regard to the cannabinoid profile of seeded verses non-seeded herb. It has been my experience that the cannabinoid profile of seeded herb produces a wider range of effect than from non-seeded, or sinsimilla, herb. The equatorial environment also probably contributed to a wider range of cannabinoids. One of the aspects of the equatorial environment is its consistent day/night temperature range, there is little difference between day and night temps on the equator supposedly inspiring a wider cannabinoid profile. Couple this with the seeded cannabinoid profile and it becomes easy to understand the popularity of the equatorial produced sativa, despite its hermaphroditic problems. I am curios as to what future research in this capacity may provide.
This is not so much in praise of the hermaphrodite as it is a suggestion in regard to the cannabinoid profile of seeded verses non-seeded herb. It has been my experience that the cannabinoid profile of seeded herb produces a wider range of effect than from non-seeded, or sinsimilla, herb. The equatorial environment also probably contributed to a wider range of cannabinoids. One of the aspects of the equatorial environment is its consistent day/night temperature range, there is little difference between day and night temps on the equator supposedly inspiring a wider cannabinoid profile. Couple this with the seeded cannabinoid profile and it becomes easy to understand the popularity of the equatorial produced sativa, despite its hermaphroditic problems. I am curios as to what future research in this capacity may provide."
https://vutra.org/topic/9935-tips-on-breeding-by-dj-short/

 

[Coconutz]

Nothing gets added when plants are pollinated and make seeds. Exactly the opposite, less terpenes by half and less Cannabinoids by maybe 20% or more. I think anyone that deny this are just plain wrong. I have tested via GC many clones seeded or not and I am sure no other Cannabinoids are present because of pollination, as well as less Cannabinoids are present, and the same with terpenes, nothing new and lots less.
Great Colombian is not very inter-sexed, the same with great Mexican, Thai is well know to be inter-sexed,
Nepalese can be from seedless, but most often it is from seeded NLD (what everyone used to call SATIVA).
All the other hashes you mention are also made from seeded WLD (what were called Indica plants) except that Moroccan is not WLD it is NLD and Lebanese is a mix of WLD/NLD.
Inter-sexed varieties can be bred to eliminate the inter-sexed plants, I do not want to keep inter-sexed plants around as they should not be used without extreme care in selection to get rid of the inter-sexed genes. They unimproved should not be used to make seeds to be sold, it just adds to the inter-sexed load on the drug gene pool, which is just lazy breeding.
-SamS

I was reading some of DJ Shorts tips earlier today and tried to find this thread again.
Im not sure if its been mentioned yet, but he seems to think seeded adds to the cannaboid profile for a wider range of effect.

"A quick word about the virtues of hermaphrodites: Ask any old-time herbalist, one who has been experiencing fine herb since at least the early 1970's, what their favorite all-time herbal variety was, and the answer will be something to the effect of; “Santa Marta or Acapulco Gold” or “Highland or Chocolate Thai” or “Punta Roya (red-tipped gold Highland Oaxacan)” or “Guerran Green” or “Panama Red” etc. et. al., all of which were equatorial, or sub-tropical, origin sativa and hermaphroditic. Even the great hashish of the era such as Lebanese Red and Blonde, all Moroccan and Nepalese were produced from seeded stock.

This is not so much in praise of the hermaphrodite as it is a suggestion in regard to the cannabinoid profile of seeded verses non-seeded herb. It has been my experience that the cannabinoid profile of seeded herb produces a wider range of effect than from non-seeded, or sinsimilla, herb. The equatorial environment also probably contributed to a wider range of cannabinoids. One of the aspects of the equatorial environment is its consistent day/night temperature range, there is little difference between day and night temps on the equator supposedly inspiring a wider cannabinoid profile. Couple this with the seeded cannabinoid profile and it becomes easy to understand the popularity of the equatorial produced sativa, despite its hermaphroditic problems. I am curios as to what future research in this capacity may provide.
This is not so much in praise of the hermaphrodite as it is a suggestion in regard to the cannabinoid profile of seeded verses non-seeded herb. It has been my experience that the cannabinoid profile of seeded herb produces a wider range of effect than from non-seeded, or sinsimilla, herb. The equatorial environment also probably contributed to a wider range of cannabinoids. One of the aspects of the equatorial environment is its consistent day/night temperature range, there is little difference between day and night temps on the equator supposedly inspiring a wider cannabinoid profile. Couple this with the seeded cannabinoid profile and it becomes easy to understand the popularity of the equatorial produced sativa, despite its hermaphroditic problems. I am curios as to what future research in this capacity may provide."
https://vutra.org/topic/9935-tips-on-breeding-by-dj-short/

I think what he means is a wider range, not more or less.
So he's saying its more enjoyable, maybe not more potent or whatever.

 

[pinkus]

Do the ratios of the terpenes change with pollination?

 

[shaggyballs]

Found this stuffs:

 

[Only Ornamental]

Shag, you're sure these dudes aren't bonkers? Cause they, at least partially, sound like that

 

[Tonygreen]

Found this stuffs:

According to those papers no indoor growers are growing good weed that gets you high, It's all placebo, no real thc present if grown under HID... OK...

That second one is not even a scientific paper it is more of an essay... It even says at the end, the opinions are those of the author... lol.

 

[trichrider]

In study, 'Cannabis is more than simply THC-tetrahydrocannabinol,' Russo & McPartland (2002) states in part, "Carlini et al. (1974) determined that cannabis extracts produced effects "two or four times greater that that expected from their THC content..." Similarily, Fairburn and Pickens (1981) detected the presence of unidentified "powerful synergjsts" in cannabis extracts, causing 330% greater activity in mice than THC alone. The clinical contribution of CBD and other cannabinoids, terpenoids and flavonoids to clinical cannabis effects has been espoused as an "entourage effect" (Mechoulam and Ben-Shabat 1999), and is reviewed in detail by McPartland and Russo (2001). Briefly summarized, CBD has anti-anxiety effects (Zuardi et al. 1982), anti-psychotic benefits (Zuardi et al. 1995), modulates the metabolism of THC by blocking its conversion to more psychoactive 11-hydroxy-THC (Bornheim and Grillo 1998), prevents glutamate exitotoxity, serves as a powerful anti-oxidant (Hampson et al. 2000), and has notable anti-inflamatory and immunomodulatory effects (Malfait et al. 2000)." and closes stating, "In no instance were the effects of the former (Dronabinol as synthetic THC) considered of equal efficacy to cannabis, but rather more productive of dysphoric and sedative adverse effects (Calhoun et al. 1998)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3165946/


Cannabis and Cannabis Extracts:
Greater Than the Sum of Their Parts?

SUMMARY. A central tenet underlying the use of botanical remedies is
that herbs contain many active ingredients. Primary active ingredients
may be enhanced by secondary compounds, which act in beneficial synergy.
Other herbal constituents may mitigate the side effects of dominant
active ingredients. We reviewed the literature concerning medical cannabis
and its primary active ingredient, Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).
Good evidence shows that secondary compounds in cannabis may enhance
the beneficial effects of THC. Other cannabinoid and non-cannabinoid
compounds in herbal cannabis or its extracts may reduce THC-induced
anxiety, cholinergic deficits, and immunosuppression. Cannabis terpenoids
and flavonoids may also increase cerebral blood flow, enhance cortical
activity, kill respiratory pathogens, and provide anti-inflammatory activity.

http://cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/2001-03-04-7.pdf

good thread. good info. good peeps.

Scientific evidence is presented for non-cannabinoid plant components as putative antidotes to intoxicating effects of THC that could increase its therapeutic index.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3165946/

In study, 'Cannabis is more than simply THC-tetrahydrocannabinol,' Russo & McPartland (2002) states in part, "Carlini et al. (1974) determined that cannabis extracts produced effects "two or four times greater that that expected from their THC content..." Similarily, Fairburn and Pickens (1981) detected the presence of unidentified "powerful synergjsts" in cannabis extracts, causing 330% greater activity in mice than THC alone. The clinical contribution of CBD and other cannabinoids, terpenoids and flavonoids to clinical cannabis effects has been espoused as an "entourage effect" (Mechoulam and Ben-Shabat 1999), and is reviewed in detail by McPartland and Russo (2001). Briefly summarized, CBD has anti-anxiety effects (Zuardi et al. 1982), anti-psychotic benefits (Zuardi et al. 1995), modulates the metabolism of THC by blocking its conversion to more psychoactive 11-hydroxy-THC (Bornheim and Grillo 1998), prevents glutamate exitotoxity, serves as a powerful anti-oxidant (Hampson et al. 2000), and has notable anti-inflamatory and immunomodulatory effects (Malfait et al. 2000)." and closes stating, "In no instance were the effects of the former (Dronabinol as synthetic THC) considered of equal efficacy to cannabis, but rather more productive of dysphoric and sedative adverse effects (Calhoun et al. 1998)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21749363

my observations indicate little concerted difference between seeded and sinse. perhaps this is placebo or inability to differentiate the two...most likely the latter.
Sam says terpenes and cannabinoids reduced by 50% and 20% (repectively) and this makes sense of the plant putting more effort into producing seed after pollination than for pushing out seedless florescence.

 

[shaggyballs]

The second one sounds like a bunch of quacks but I thought they may have a tidbit to add to the subject of seeded or not seeded.........guess not?????????

I thought the first seemed interesting and factual although off topic.
Sorry for the wild goose chase I only had time to read it in part before posting it.

 

[shaggyballs]

Found this??????
Hopefully no quackin!!!!

 

[Only Ornamental]

Hi Shag,
Look at post #18 by Sam_S. Notice anything?

 

[shaggyballs]

Hi Shag,
Look at post #18 by Sam_S. Notice anything?

Ya he duplicated my post...the nerve of some people GEEZ
..........

I was rummaging through my notes and found it.....Day late and a few brain cells short!!!