DabLab Reloaded-- back to vertville

[Sleeper7784]

Looks like a solid recipe to me Dabs. 4ml does seem a little weak for what my plant's thrive on but for some people it works fine. I've been using micro and bloom from veg. to finish for the past 4 years straight with little to no deficiency issues. I say little to no because I have had problems with stalk purpling, but a little extra cal-mag cleaned that up.

Do you use tap or RO?

I used filtered/declorinated tap with a total ppms of 140-155.

My final blend runs around 750 ppms.

Then from mid flower on its just bloom around 350 ppms until flush.

 

[DabOnDabs]

Looks like a solid recipe to me Dabs. 4ml does seem a little weak for what my plant's thrive on but for some people it works fine. I've been using micro and bloom from veg. to finish for the past 4 years straight with little to no deficiency issues. I say little to no because I have had problems with stalk purpling, but a little extra cal-mag cleaned that up.

Do you use tap or RO?

I used filtered/declorinated tap with a total ppms of 140-155.

My final blend runs around 750 ppms.

Then from mid flower on its just bloom around 350 ppms until flush.

Thanks for the reply, I'm at mid flower, and actually used 3ml Silica Blast, 3ml Micro, 9ml Bloom. I use R.O., and my final ppm came out around 550. I was planning on running this for a week, then dropping the micro and silica and running straight bloom fill finish.

I'm also feeding them 6x per day at this point, and still bumping it up 1x per week until flush, at which point, i'll probably back off to like 6 feeds/day

We'll see how it goes

 

[DabOnDabs]

 

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[DHF]

Whatever you do Bro , DON`T lose the silicablast , but rather up it to 5 ml per gal till end of cycle for stemwall strength on all them heavy ass limbs about to be floppin , as WELL as a K boost when it`s needed in late bloomage since the product`s "potassium silicate" and does well for overall plant health from beginning to end .....especially with bigger plants....and damn Bobbles....

Seems like that`s all you`ve got ta say about your experience with the largest manufacturer of dry hydro ferts in the U.S....

Is what you ordered one and the SAME calcium chloride AS "snow melt" ?....or did some dummy not read the order right , or was it written wrong ?....

Not sure the formula you typed is the same as calcium chloride ?...anyways....Sorry you had problems.....Shit happens every day though.....

Peace....Freds...........

 

[Coconutz]

Just had flood tables dropped off without a box from hydrofarm.
The delivery guy was a hoodlum and my neighbor was working on his fence...
All the hydro stores are closing down near me.
Power & rent are too expensive and weed is cheap.

 

[DabOnDabs]

Whatever you do Bro , DON`T lose the silicablast , but rather up it to 5 ml per gal till end of cycle for stemwall strength on all them heavy ass limbs about to be floppin , as WELL as a K boost when it`s needed in late bloomage since the product`s "potassium silicate" and does well for overall plant health from beginning to end .....especially with bigger plants....and damn Bobbles....

Seems like that`s all you`ve got ta say about your experience with the largest manufacturer of dry hydro ferts in the U.S....

Is what you ordered one and the SAME calcium chloride AS "snow melt" ?....or did some dummy not read the order right , or was it written wrong ?....

Not sure the formula you typed is the same as calcium chloride ?...anyways....Sorry you had problems.....Shit happens every day though.....

Peace....Freds...........

Heard, loud and clear! DABS OUT!

Thanks freds. So after this week, of 3/9, I'l be dropping to 0/9 + 5ml/gal silica blast until flush.

 

[DHF]

I never completely did away with my micro Dabster , cuz the micro`s and macro`s inside said juice help other things happen through end of cycle , but see....

I ran strictly R/O and MY version off of Lucas formula as in lil this and lil that to KEEP my ppm`s consistent across the board @ 750 ppm`s 1.5 ec....IOW.....

By the time I mixed in my SM-90 , silicablast , minute amounts of cal/mag cuz Chem D was/is a whore that`s GOTTA have it till finish to push her and squeeze every gram out of her , in with the lil micro and the rest bloom formula to make up said ppm`s and THEN if I went past my target numbers , I diluted as I was ph`ing my rez`s.....but.....

The difference between me and EVERYONE else is I mixed my shit a week in advance in holding tanks tied to my rez`s with ball valves so they`d buffer and mix with powerhead pumps keepin em stirred up till the other DTW rez was ready ta drain and remix for the next week so on and so forth.....

Not sure I`ve said this in your threads , but I only went to my setups and different locations once a week , so I was taught by Heath all his "redundancy" factors as in double pumps in case 1 died , double rez`s to let large amounts of juice buffer and blend for every other week`s useage , a/c`s and dehueys in each fliproom on thermostats and humidistats in case lungroom conditions couldn`t keep up , etc. and so on......anyways...

That`s why I`ve never been able to quote my percentages of NPK and never TRIED to learn em back in the day , cuz I was just a grower doin what he was told and did so , and FUCK askin questions bout why , but rather just keep the ppm`s constant across the board and flowin REGARDLESS of what I put in the juice....now....

Sorry for gettin all wordy and shit , but Bubba and a few beers while I`m getting the grill ready made me run off at the mouth err , keyboard....anyways.....

Off ta bahhhbeeeqqqueee.....

Peace....Freds..........

Edit:.....Hell ....Ain`t you runnin Jack`s ?.....WTF ?....Did I miss somethin ?...LOL......

 

[DabOnDabs]

I never completely did away with my micro Dabster , cuz the micro`s and macro`s inside said juice help other things happen through end of cycle , but see....

I ran strictly R/O and MY version off of Lucas formula as in lil this and lil that to KEEP my ppm`s consistent across the board @ 750 ppm`s 1.5 ec....IOW.....

By the time I mixed in my SM-90 , silicablast , minute amounts of cal/mag cuz Chem D was/is a whore that`s GOTTA have it till finish to push her and squeeze every gram out of her , in with the lil micro and the rest bloom formula to make up said ppm`s and THEN if I went past my target numbers , I diluted as I was ph`ing my rez`s.....but.....

The difference between me and EVERYONE else is I mixed my shit a week in advance in holding tanks tied to my rez`s with ball valves so they`d buffer and mix with powerhead pumps keepin em stirred up till the other DTW rez was ready ta drain and remix for the next week so on and so forth.....

Not sure I`ve said this in your threads , but I only went to my setups and different locations once a week , so I was taught by Heath all his "redundancy" factors as in double pumps in case 1 died , double rez`s to let large amounts of juice buffer and blend for every other week`s useage , a/c`s and dehueys in each fliproom on thermostats and humidistats in case lungroom conditions couldn`t keep up , etc. and so on......anyways...

That`s why I`ve never been able to quote my percentages of NPK and never TRIED to learn em back in the day , cuz I was just a grower doin what he was told and did so , and FUCK askin questions bout why , but rather just keep the ppm`s constant across the board and flowin REGARDLESS of what I put in the juice....now....

Sorry for gettin all wordy and shit , but Bubba and a few beers while I`m getting the grill ready made me run off at the mouth err , keyboard....anyways.....

Off ta bahhhbeeeqqqueee.....

Peace....Freds..........

H3ad and rez dropped all the micro mid flower...

I too thought this to be a little bit weird...thought you wanted to drop the N completely during flush, and keep a little till then.

You also say you kept the PPM up across the board...3/9 + Silica Blast ends up @ 550ppm for me, and if i were to drop the micro completely it would drop even lower than this...

H3ad never really went into detail about his ppm in late flower, but how would one account for this?

 

[DabOnDabs]

I never completely did away with my micro Dabster , cuz the micro`s and macro`s inside said juice help other things happen through end of cycle , but see....

I ran strictly R/O and MY version off of Lucas formula as in lil this and lil that to KEEP my ppm`s consistent across the board @ 750 ppm`s 1.5 ec....IOW.....

By the time I mixed in my SM-90 , silicablast , minute amounts of cal/mag cuz Chem D was/is a whore that`s GOTTA have it till finish to push her and squeeze every gram out of her , in with the lil micro and the rest bloom formula to make up said ppm`s and THEN if I went past my target numbers , I diluted as I was ph`ing my rez`s.....but.....

The difference between me and EVERYONE else is I mixed my shit a week in advance in holding tanks tied to my rez`s with ball valves so they`d buffer and mix with powerhead pumps keepin em stirred up till the other DTW rez was ready ta drain and remix for the next week so on and so forth.....

Not sure I`ve said this in your threads , but I only went to my setups and different locations once a week , so I was taught by Heath all his "redundancy" factors as in double pumps in case 1 died , double rez`s to let large amounts of juice buffer and blend for every other week`s useage , a/c`s and dehueys in each fliproom on thermostats and humidistats in case lungroom conditions couldn`t keep up , etc. and so on......anyways...

That`s why I`ve never been able to quote my percentages of NPK and never TRIED to learn em back in the day , cuz I was just a grower doin what he was told and did so , and FUCK askin questions bout why , but rather just keep the ppm`s constant across the board and flowin REGARDLESS of what I put in the juice....now....

Sorry for gettin all wordy and shit , but Bubba and a few beers while I`m getting the grill ready made me run off at the mouth err , keyboard....anyways.....

Off ta bahhhbeeeqqqueee.....

Peace....Freds..........

Edit:.....Hell ....Ain`t you runnin Jack`s ?.....WTF ?....Did I miss somethin ?...LOL......

Yea, I decided to drop the jacks for late flower. I feel more comfortable tinkering w/ ratios w/ the Micro/Bloom. Couldnt get anything close to 1-1-2 w/ the Jacks

 

[DabOnDabs]

 

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[papaduc]

Don't drop the micro altogether. If you're feeding at the right range and you drop the micro, you'll see the plants yellow almost straight away. You need some nitrogen, just not too much.

Don't put too much stock in head's formula, or rezdogs. The same principles apply to growing weed as they do to growing many other things.

Essentially, some people have constructed a one size fits all formula which people who cannot grow a plant can use, til the end, and not have problems.

Basically it's growing... with stabilisers on.
You're on the bike, you're peddling the bike, your bike is moving along.. but you can't actually ride a bike.

If you want the control over your plants that you said you did, then you'll leave all the 7ml of this and that, and you'll follow your own path based on basic principles. Remember, it's only basic principles which the head/rezdog/lucas/joeshmo formula is based on anyway. The only thing is, it's been interpeted as some kind of revelation by people who had no general gardening knowledge at all to begin with, so when they tried this "formula" and it worked for them, they spread the word... like a new religion... "hey, the lucas formula... it actually works... it's real... follow it"...

And so from then on people follow the magic formula to success. And cannabis will grow in it. Just like cannabis would grow in another formula. In fact you can call this next one the papaduc formula for veg... it goes 1.0ec of any balanced 1-part nutrient on the market. Guaranteed success. And you will achieve it. Believe me, you will see good results.

But I won't want it named after me because it's not my science and research which makes it known that cannabis, or tomatoes, will grow very close to if not perfectly through the vegetative period at a feed strength of 1.0ec. These facts have been around for a pretty long time and they will remain the same until some genetic mutation changes the makeup of the respective plants.

Your plants are healthy and you're doing a good job. You're more than capable of dropping the made-for-beginners anti-learning formula that is the lucas/head/etcetcetc...

All they revolve around is the basic principle that in flowering a fruiting plant, you drop the nitrogen and you increase the potassium.

Buy a bottle of 4-4-8 (or close) tomato food and hand feed just 1 of your plants, just one out of your whole grow, at 1.2ec... just for experimental purposes, and monitor the difference for yourself.

I will guarantee you, you will be very surprised at the results if you think any of these formulas specifically designed for cannabis are improvement on the most basic aspects of botany.

They're not formulas, they're basics. They're for you to apply using any food grade fertiliser available on the market. Give it a go and find out. It'll change your perception I guarantee, and it will clear the cloud of a hundred things going through your head, and get you to really, and truly appreciate the basics.

Your plants are fine, and any changes you make need to be subtle. Don't worry too much about making sure this or that is in perfect balance. Even the author of the thread you linked says this. I had a quick read through it which prompted me to write the above rant

Making a big change now would possibly see you undo a lot of the really good work you've put in. Keep things simple, and keep them smooth.

 

[DabOnDabs]

As always, appreciate the comment Papaduc. Essentially, I made my own tomato feed with the 3/9 formula. As you know, I am a hobby grower

There is no doubt that the plants are healthy. Really healthy. However, compared to last run, there are WAYYYY more small leafs on the buds, and they're just not plumping up either.

My plants showed me early on that a few of them were a little P sensitive..They were barely getting enough w/ the Jacks. I've found about 10 leaves over the periods of 5 weeks that were showing P def. Also, my early run in with N tox let me know that she is a little sensitive in flower, and I need to decrease. Anyways, Your words convinced me, but I did feel a subtle change was needed, which is why i didnt just go straight for 9ml bloom.

This is my change;

From Jacks: equal parts of each 1.2ec
N-P-K-Mg-Ca
72-19-76-23-67
3.75-1-4

to GH Micro 3ml/gal GH Bloom 9 ml/gal + 3ml/gal Silica Blast. DHF recommends bumping that up, and I havent added that into this profile.

48-63-99-45-48
1-1.3-2

Pretty damn close to 1-1-2

I also feel like its not jumping TOO much... Its getting 300% more P now tho. 33% less N, 33% more K.

Tinkering with the idea of mixing some dechlorinated/filted water into my RO to bring the Ca up a little bit. It runs fairly high in my area.

 

[Arminius]

I was about to ask myself, how I missed this thread, even being in the middle of relocating my 12k op. Then I realized that this thread is only a couple weeks old haha!
Only made it to end of page 2, but will pick up tomorrow. Looks awesome so far! I can relate to your setup for sure! Screens behind the plants is the way to go IMO, but I would consider some up front too if needed. Ultimately, I ended up with screens behind, and horti netting after stretch.
I am moving to a plug and play 12k horizontal garden, split in two rooms. I promised to run as is for now, but after the first run, I am going back to Vert!
Now back to the rig, to dab myself to sleep...

 

[Sleeper7784]

Dude amongst this discussion about nuts.

I've got to give you mad props. !!!

This set up is balling!!!

Great way to make complete use of your space. Fucking Vert. Man!!!

 

[Sleeper7784]

As always, appreciate the comment Papaduc. Essentially, I made my own tomato feed with the 3/9 formula. As you know, I am a hobby grower

There is no doubt that the plants are healthy. Really healthy. However, compared to last run, there are WAYYYY more small leafs on the buds, and they're just not plumping up either.

My plants showed me early on that a few of them were a little P sensitive..They were barely getting enough w/ the Jacks. I've found about 10 leaves over the periods of 5 weeks that were showing P def. Also, my early run in with N tox let me know that she is a little sensitive in flower, and I need to decrease. Anyways, Your words convinced me, but I did feel a subtle change was needed, which is why i didnt just go straight for 9ml bloom.

This is my change;

From Jacks: equal parts of each 1.2ec
N-P-K-Mg-Ca
72-19-76-23-67
3.75-1-4

to GH Micro 3ml/gal GH Bloom 9 ml/gal + 3ml/gal Silica Blast. DHF recommends bumping that up, and I havent added that into this profile.

48-63-99-45-48
1-1.3-2

Pretty damn close to 1-1-2

I also feel like its not jumping TOO much... Its getting 300% more P now tho. 33% less N, 33% more K.

Tinkering with the idea of mixing some dechlorinated/filted water into my RO to bring the Ca up a little bit. It runs fairly high in my area.

This topic of leaving the micro in until later or even till the flush is interesting. Although I'm very satisfied with my current feed schedule, I must say that it does make sense.

GH designed the system to work hand and hand thru to the end of flowering, but I assume h3ad and rez's ideals are to use the least amount of nutrients possible while still achieving quality. 6/9 is definitely a cost effective way to grow some dank.

You know their results are also based in coco, might have something to do with cutting it earlier than GH suggests

At some point in time the plant requires little to no N. This point might arrive at different times for different strains.

Are you using bloom booster?

I use the KB powder and it does contain ammoniacal nitrate which accounts for 2% N. Maybe the 3 doses I blast them with is enough to get her thru with what they need?


If added calcium your wanting I would not rely on tap water content as a source.

I would just pick up some GH CALiMAGic. It's clean and uses minerals for optimal plant uptake. I only use 1/4-1/2 tsp per gal increments. The ppms at that ratio, only add 130-170 ppms.

Most people claim that 6/9 doesn't need cal mag, but I believe otherwise. My garden has seen nothing but benefits from adding it. Even with me using dechlorinated/tap.