FLORAMITE 1 week into flower

[Tumpuh]

I have seen alot of differing opinions on floromite and let me just say: I hate spraying anything on my plants that isn't organic, but I was told I had no other option. After doing MUCH research, the jury is still out. I see people that run collectives w/ patients praise floramite while others say its deadly. I think "deadly" may be a relative term. I will not likely use it again,however, will I be able to safely consume the product after 7-8 more weeks of bloom, then a 2 week drying time. Then there will be the curing process. The manufacturer says it breaks down into harmless by-products after 21 days. Are they lying? So bottom line, can the product be safely consumed? I have been exposed to much worse chemicals having been a commercial painter for over 10 years, so keeping that in mind, how bad is floramite compared to something like say for instance
MEK, lacquer thinner vapor, oil based stains (days of direct skin contact) paint thinner, 2 part epoxy coatings, etc etc. I have a feeling it is relatively harmless compared to those disgusting chemicals. Thoughts????

 

[SoulSynergySoil]

And your going to call the produce medical after spraying that toxic product within 2-3 months of harvest/ingestion? This kind of activity is degenerative to the movement as a whole. Why not try a less toxic option such as lady bugs+predatory mites+mist, neem oil, alcohol, or some other natural alternative at this late stage in the game?

 

[Tumpuh]

I agree that freely using chemicals like floramite is a bad idea and I agree that dispensaries should only offer pesticide free medicine. Other than that, I dont understand your apparent hostility? This is the first time I have ever used any pesticide or had spidermites. Degenerative? Are you trying to be insulting my friend because that is quite juvenile. I clearly made somewhat of a mistake applying the floramite( at the advice of a hydroponics store owner ) and I was merely asking if I MYSELF could still use the product. I have seen a study that showed using a water bong greatly reduces bad chemical ingestion. Did you know that their are medical patients that also smoke cigarettes? Do you know how many pesticides and toxic waste is contained in cigarettes? So "safety" and "medicinal value" are relative terms my friend, people define them differently. I wouldnt give the product to anyone else without telling them I had used a pesticide.. Pretty honest for a degenerate huh? FK U

 

[SoulSynergySoil]

I agree that freely using chemicals like floramite is a bad idea and I agree that dispensaries should only offer pesticide free medicine. Other than that, I dont understand your apparent hostility? This is the first time I have ever used any pesticide or had spidermites. Degenerative? Are you trying to be insulting my friend because that is quite juvenile. I clearly made somewhat of a mistake applying the floramite( at the advice of a hydroponics store owner ) and I was merely asking if I MYSELF could still use the product. I have seen a study that showed using a water bong greatly reduces bad chemical ingestion. Did you know that their are medical patients that also smoke cigarettes? Do you know how many pesticides and toxic waste is contained in cigarettes? So "safety" and "medicinal value" are relative terms my friend, people define them differently. I wouldnt give the product to anyone else without telling them I had used a pesticide.. Pretty honest for a degenerate huh? FK U

I apologize for being over-zealous, I have a tendency to do that with topics about which I feel whole-heartedly, whole-spiritedly passionate (organics, medical horticulture, and land stewardship). I didn't intend to provoke a sense of hostility, I apologize for that. When I said "that type of activity is degenerative to the movement as a whole" I only meant to say that-- in my not always so humble opinion--using toxic chemicals to produce our beloved, sacred medicine is damaging to the medical mary jane movement toward legalization. In no way did I intend to call you a degenerate or insult you in any way, shape, or form; I feel bad about that misunderstanding and I sincerely apologize.

Now back to the subject at hand, what is the half-life of flora mite?

With blessings and love from my fractal-temple-conduit-spirit-seed to yours,

SoulSynergySoil

 

[Tumpuh]

No worries, a simple misunderstanding I did try dish soap and safer soap.. these little turds were unaffected.. To top it off, I got the infested clones from a local collective and donated 20 dollars per "teen" clone. I only have the legal limit per prop 215. I am all organic, and I make my own soil... But it came down to use a chemical or lose the whole crop 5-6 weeks from now..and I felt like I had no choice...
The nice gentleman at the hydro store said I could try sns, but he said that since I had the floramite ( i had bought it , then decided against using it) I should just use it, as I only had a one week window to get rid of the mites, or risk ruining the buds with neem oils etc... It seemed to me that it was cool of him to not just try and sell me something regardless, so I gave his opinion credibility.. I guess I should have known better. The fact remains, they have been sprayed and I am at a loss as to what I should do....

I agree, I hate the fact that I sprayed the plants with the stuff..but its done now.. They were unharmed by the process, and are in perfect health.. so I guess that's good.. :/

From what i have read, the floramite degrades after 21-28 days. I have at leas 60 days to go. The plants were just starting to crown off and a very few pistils were present when I applied the floramite. I must also note that it is used on tomatoes so it cant be all that bad can it? I hate my life right now! >: (

 

[1TWISTEDTRUCKER]

I apologize for being over-zealous, I have a tendency to do that with topics about which I feel whole-heartedly, whole-spiritedly passionate (organics, medical horticulture, and land stewardship). I didn't intend to provoke a sense of hostility, I apologize for that. When I said "that type of activity is degenerative to the movement as a whole" I only meant to say that-- in my not always so humble opinion--using toxic chemicals to produce our beloved, sacred medicine is damaging to the medical mary jane movement toward legalization. In no way did I intend to call you a degenerate or insult you in any way, shape, or form; I feel bad about that misunderstanding and I sincerely apologize.

Now back to the subject at hand, what is the half-life of flora mite?

With blessings and love from my fractal-temple-conduit-spirit-seed to yours,

SoulSynergySoil

Good on Ya for being Adult enough to explain, and not turn things into a pissing match(to much of that on-line).

I agree NO Mj that's been treated with a Chem.(non organic) pesticide should ever be passed of as Medical.

I didn't see anywhere in His post that it was going to be put out there as Medical.

I too am interested to know if Floramite actually breaks down into harmless by prods.

In a perfect world We all keep the temp./humidity in check, and We NEVER see a spider mite.

This is exactly why I am not currently growing.

Peace; 1TT

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Would you buy Cannabis that you knew was sprayed with a toxic poison?
Most people would not.
First clean up the grow and get rid of anything with mites. Spray "everything" the walls etc, three times a week apart. They are there.
Next time, spray or better dip 3 times, a week apart the mothers when they are very small like 6 inches or less, and then when bigger, clone them and make clean clones to plant.
Prevention is the key.
Where did the mites come from? Always quarantine new plants for a month and dip them three times a week apart before placing in a grow. Dips are safer to use and more effective, you need to dip the plants when small to be most effective. If you spray use a mask and a rubber suit, no joking.
Just because you have been exposed to much worse chemicals, don't mean shit, don't use or sell the buds, wise up. Making BHO just concentrates the pesticides, don't do it.
I never spray a plant to be flowered, but will to clean it up and then make new clones with.
-SamS

 

[SoulSynergySoil]

An all natural spray that I and my mentor use consists of Neem oil (1/2-1oz per gallon), 1 tsp sudsing soap to emulsify (any natural boron-free soap with potassium salts of fatty acids, and a few drops of each essential oil of clove, rosemary, oregano, thyme, tangerine, and cinnamon oil (you can research other essential oils to add to the preventative spray). Use this for your quarantine-dunks that the Skunkman astutely mentioned. Then after you harvest and are in clean-mode, wash down every square millimeter--i mean every square mm-- with a strong bleach solution. Start from seed after you've cleaned your whole place thoroughly (bleach rinse, vacuum, laundry, remove any old soil or plant material in which mites could hide) and if you bring in any clones from an tainted locale quarantine them in a separate room for 2-4 weeks dunking every 2-3 days in the natural solution. Like Sam said, prevention via O.C.D-esque cleaning, quarantines, soil-free mediums, starting from seed and/or O.C.D. cleaning on new incoming ladies.

Also, for future reference, remember that the half-life of a particular compound is the amount of time that it takes for half of the substance to break-down. Thus, 1 half-life is the amount of time it takes for half of a substance to break down; 2 half-lives is the amount of time it takes for 3/4 to break down, 3 half lives is the amount of time it takes for 7/8 to break down, 4 half lives is the amount of time it takes for 15/16 to break down, 5 half lives is the amount of time it takes for 31/32 to break down, and so on.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

Chemicals=Bad

This will take care of any critters you will get on your cannabis.
http://eurekaspringsorganics.com/organic-pest-control/ogbiowar-foliar-pack-4-oz

 

[Tumpuh]

Would you buy Cannabis that you knew was sprayed with a toxic poison?
Most people would not.
First clean up the grow and get rid of anything with mites. Spray "everything" the walls etc, three times a week apart. They are there.
Next time, spray or better dip 3 times, a week apart the mothers when they are very small like 6 inches or less, and then when bigger, clone them and make clean clones to plant.
Prevention is the key.
Where did the mites come from? Always quarantine new plants for a month and dip them three times a week apart before placing in a grow. Dips are safer to use and more effective, you need to dip the plants when small to be most effective. If you spray use a mask and a rubber suit, no joking.
Just because you have been exposed to much worse chemicals, don't mean shit, don't use or sell the buds, wise up. Making BHO just concentrates the pesticides, don't do it.
I never spray a plant to be flowered, but will to clean it up and then make new clones with.
-SamS

The mites came from a collective. I paid over 140 dollars for 6 clones and I am already going into the second week of flower.. SO you are suggesting I take clones from flowering plants? Then start all over and throw away the hundreds of dollars I have spent on the soil that needs to cook for 30 days before use? Buy all new amendments, wait 30 more days and so on? A lot of people say they have used floramite and have seem no ill effects. Also, explain to me how it can be used on tomatoes, but is at the same time a toxic poison? If i wash them down continually for the next 2 weeks with teas and water, dont you think the chemicals will dissipate more rapidly? I really don't want to start over from scratch. I cant afford to keep buying meds from dispensaries (that likely are using the same chems for mites). I agree with you that pesticides are bad, but the buds have yet to grow, so I don't see how the chems will get on them if they arent there yet? Damnit I know you are probably 100% right.

 

[Tumpuh]

An all natural spray that I and my mentor use consists of Neem oil (1/2-1oz per gallon), 1 tsp sudsing soap to emulsify (any natural boron-free soap with potassium salts of fatty acids, and a few drops of each essential oil of clove, rosemary, oregano, thyme, tangerine, and cinnamon oil (you can research other essential oils to add to the preventative spray). Use this for your quarantine-dunks that the Skunkman astutely mentioned. Then after you harvest and are in clean-mode, wash down every square millimeter--i mean every square mm-- with a strong bleach solution. Start from seed after you've cleaned your whole place thoroughly (bleach rinse, vacuum, laundry, remove any old soil or plant material in which mites could hide) and if you bring in any clones from an tainted locale quarantine them in a separate room for 2-4 weeks dunking every 2-3 days in the natural solution. Like Sam said, prevention via O.C.D-esque cleaning, quarantines, soil-free mediums, starting from seed and/or O.C.D. cleaning on new incoming ladies.

Also, for future reference, remember that the half-life of a particular compound is the amount of time that it takes for half of the substance to break-down. Thus, 1 half-life is the amount of time it takes for half of a substance to break down; 2 half-lives is the amount of time it takes for 3/4 to break down, 3 half lives is the amount of time it takes for 7/8 to break down, 4 half lives is the amount of time it takes for 15/16 to break down, 5 half lives is the amount of time it takes for 31/32 to break down, and so on.

The instruction/info on floramite doesnt use the term half life. It says the chemical breaks down into harmless byproducts in 21-28 days. I will take everything you say into account. Very good info. Thanks I would like to note that I smoked mexican brick for years in the 90s.. all of it filled very likely teaming with pesticides sprayed from tractors. I think caution is always a good thing, but I like to keep things in perspective. I already took clones and they are rooting .... I may have to harvest and have the product tested by a lab to see what I am dealing with then go from there. Thanks!

 

[Tumpuh]

"I never spray a plant to be flowered, but will to clean it up and then make new clones with."
So you use chemicals that have residual effects..How will yours not have chemicals in the resin, but mine will, considering nether your mother plants, or my 1 week into flower plants have no resin on them at the time the chemicals are sprayed? My plants dont have buds yet, they are just over week 1 of flower.. they have little green crowns and a couple of pistils. Don't you think that with the added drying time, curing time etc, that any chemical residues will be minimal? I have also done a little research and found that smoking possibly tainted bud through a water pipe / bong, pretty much removes any residuals left over in the smoke. Having said that, I completely agree with you... I will not use chemicals again, even 1 week into flower... I took the advice of a hydroponics pro at a store..if I cant take what they say as credible, I dont know what else to say.. I have not had mites in 20 years, and that time it was also in cali.. Did you only read the original OP and then decide to post? How does resin that has yet to be produced have chemicals in it when the chemical used is NOT systemic? Please explain. Butane in your BHO would be way worse than any pesticide IMO as well.. Still many un-answered questions. I appreciate your concern and response and hope you will further clarify how you can use the chemicals on your plants and everything is fine, but when i do, I need to throw everything away...

 

[canna woop!]

i blended a few clovesof garlic and a orange peal (grated) to a couple quarts of water and strained

sprayed the plantsdown (3-5 weeks bloom) and put them back inthe room. they smell like candy. the orange peal had me gasping for air- it's a real kicker

I was told the chemicals in garlic break down to harmless byproducts in 3-4 weeks so io should be clear for the harvest

 

[Tumpuh]

i blended a few clovesof garlic and a orange peal (grated) to a couple quarts of water and strained

sprayed the plantsdown (3-5 weeks bloom) and put them back inthe room. they smell like candy. the orange peal had me gasping for air- it's a real kicker

I was told the chemicals in garlic break down to harmless byproducts in 3-4 weeks so io should be clear for the harvest

I already sprayed the plants with floramite
Trust me I will NEVER make the same mistake again..
I know it will break down and be relatively harmless by the time the bud is useable, but the thought of having any chem on my buds is annoying... If I taste any odd taste, or have any odd feelings from using the product, I will have to do something else with it.. I wont use it if its nasty. I will have to have a talk with the collective owner about offering infested clones.. bad business practice and the hydro shop I frequent already threw all of his business cards away.. we don't mess around in these parts. I understand the concern about chemicals.. which is why I grow organically.. I hate chemicals and I would rather harvest less than pump my plants full of chemical fertilizer and I imagine they are no better than pesticides. Having said that, I smoke the occasional cigar.. and floramite cant be any worse than that.. trust me. Still I wont use it again.. It would be foolish to do so IMO...Live and learn.. Thanks for all the responses everyone.

Any additional comments or experiences that can be shared will be much appreciated..
~Overgrow the Planet~

 

[Granger2]

Tumpuh,
Even tho I have never ever f'd up at any time, on anything in my life, I sympathize with you. My *opinion* is that because you sprayed it early, the risks will be minimal. But they are still there. I have copied below my organic Spider Mite remedy for future reference. This worked a complete irradication, and since I started spraying Azasol one time in the first week of 12/12, they haven't returned in about 3 years. I know I can always track or carry more in at any time.

Let me say a couple of things. The USDA and the FDA, and EPA seldom test anything. They rely on the mfgrs to supply them with results of testing and research. The governing boards of these govt agencies are populated with people from the industries they regulate and most of them will return to the Corps they come from when their time is up. There is also a lot of money slung around D.C. by the Corps.

In the case of Floramite. The only food crop that it is labeled [label is the law] for is tomatoes, but only greenhouse grown. This is because mites are such a problem in greenhouses, and they are resistant to everything else labeled for tomatoes. Industy pressure is why they approved it. Same thing with Agent Orange. Two ingredients- 2-4D and 2,4,5-T. They outlawed the 2,4,5-T, but not the 2,4-D because there was little else that would selectively kill broadleaf weeds at the time.

Also, toxins have a cumulative effect. Just because you have been exposed to other chems, doesn't mean that further exposure is OK.

But anyway, I think you'll be alright this one time since you sprayed early on. And yes, draw the smoke thru water before it hits your lungs. Good luck, amigo.

Spider Mite Control

Pyrethrum is fairly safe, but if it also has PBO, piperonyl butoxide, it's a different ball game.

I would use Azasol rather than Azamax or Azatrol. Azasol is oil free, causes no phytotoxicity, is more systemic, no smell after drying [to humans], no mess, similar price, dissolves instantly. In sum, more effective.

Best way is to mix in a bucket, cover top of root ball with a rag or cardboard and immerse everything above ground. That way you get 100% coverage, and dunking them washes off many mites and eggs. Also, spray walls, doors, floor, entire container including the bottom. Non messy since it's oil free.

The big key that has given me a once and for all kill [till I carry more in], is to do a second dunk 36 hours later, followed by another in 48, each time spraying walls, doors, floor, entire container including the bottom. This kills any hatchlings before they have a chance to lay more eggs. Plus you're done in 4 days. I usually follow this procedure using Spinosad w/wetting agent the first 2 treatments, with Azasol for the 3rd.

What has worked well for me has been to spray the plants with Azasol during the first week of 12/12 as a preventive. No mites thru harvest. Haven't had mites in the 3 years since I started this one preventive treatment.

I've also gotten rid of mites using only Spinosad w/wetting agent for 4 treatments. Dip, again in 36, 36, 48. Good luck. -granger

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

The mites came from a collective. I paid over 140 dollars for 6 clones and I am already going into the second week of flower.. SO you are suggesting I take clones from flowering plants?

IF YOU CAN SURE, DO IT. NEXT TIME CLEAN THEM UP AND THEN CLONE THEM BEFORE YOU FLOWER. IT IS MUCH FASTER TO CLONE NON FLOWERING PLANTS.

Then start all over and throw away the hundreds of dollars I have spent on the soil that needs to cook for 30 days before use? Buy all new amendments, wait 30 more days and so on?

YES.

A lot of people say they have used floramite and have seem no ill effects. Also, explain to me how it can be used on tomatoes, but is at the same time a toxic poison? If i wash them down continually for the next 2 weeks with teas and water, dont you think the chemicals will dissipate more rapidly?

IT CAN NOT BE USED ON ALL TOMATOES AT ALL TIMES.
MAYBE IT WILL HELP A LITTLE.

I really don't want to start over from scratch. I cant afford to keep buying meds from dispensaries (that likely are using the same chems for mites). I agree with you that pesticides are bad, but the buds have yet to grow, so I don't see how the chems will get on them if they arent there yet? Damnit I know you are probably 100% right.

THE KEY IS TO SPRAY OR BETTER DIP THE CLONES WHEN YOU GET THEM, BEFORE YOU PUT THEM INTO YOUR GARDEN.
AFTER SEVERAL DIPS A WEEK APART THE CLONES ARE CLEAN AND ANY MITE EGGS NOT KILLED HAVE HATCHED AND DIED.
DO NOT FLOWER OR SMOKE THE SPRAYED MOTHERS, CLEAN HER UP, GET HER BIGGER AND USE HER TO MAKE NEW CLONES THAT ARE CLEAN AND NOT SPRAYED THEM SELF.
I KNOW THAT TECHNICALLY THEY WERE DIPPED OR SPRAYED, (ON THE SMALL MOM) BUT IF YOU DO THIS WHEN THE MOM'S ARE VERY VERY SMALL THEN GROW THEM BIGGER TO MAKE CLONES THAT WERE NOT EVEN ON THE MOM WHEN SPRAYED (AS SHE WAS SO SMALL) YOU WILL GET JUST PPM OR EVEN LESS OF THE FLORAMITE.
TAKE THE LOSS AND MOVE ON, MAYBE IT WILL HELP YOU REMEMBER TO LOOK AT CLONES BEFORE YOU BUY THEM TO SEE IF THEY HAVE MITES, AND PRESUME THAT ANY CLONE YOU GET FROM OTHERS DO HAVE MITES OR MITE EGGS, AND DIP THEM FIRST THING. Maybe ask your local clone seller if you can get a discount or free clones if you find mites on them, take a hand lens to help.
I AM AN ORGANIC GARDENER, BUT YOU CAN NOT ELIMINATE MITES VERY EASY ORGANICALLY, IT IS EASY WITH FLORAMITE OR AVID OR OTHER DANGEROUS MITICIDES, BUT BE CAREFUL USING IT.
PREVENTION IS THE KEY.
YOU CAN TRY IPM, PREDATORS, BUT IT IS VERY HARD TO GET 100% CONTROL, THEY MAY KEEP THE MITES POPULATION SO LOW THEY ARE NOT A REAL PROBLEM.
-SamS

 

[Tumpuh]

Tumpuh,
Even tho I have never ever f'd up at any time, on anything in my life, I sympathize with you. My *opinion* is that because you sprayed it early, the risks will be minimal. But they are still there. I have copied below my organic Spider Mite remedy for future reference. This worked a complete irradication, and since I started spraying Azasol one time in the first week of 12/12, they haven't returned in about 3 years. I know I can always track or carry more in at any time.

Let me say a couple of things. The USDA and the FDA, and EPA seldom test anything. They rely on the mfgrs to supply them with results of testing and research. The governing boards of these govt agencies are populated with people from the industries they regulate and most of them will return to the Corps they come from when their time is up. There is also a lot of money slung around D.C. by the Corps.

In the case of Floramite. The only food crop that it is labeled [label is the law] for is tomatoes, but only greenhouse grown. This is because mites are such a problem in greenhouses, and they are resistant to everything else labeled for tomatoes. Industy pressure is why they approved it. Same thing with Agent Orange. Two ingredients- 2-4D and 2,4,5-T. They outlawed the 2,4,5-T, but not the 2,4-D because there was little else that would selectively kill broadleaf weeds at the time.

Also, toxins have a cumulative effect. Just because you have been exposed to other chems, doesn't mean that further exposure is OK.

But anyway, I think you'll be alright this one time since you sprayed early on. And yes, draw the smoke thru water before it hits your lungs. Good luck, amigo.

Spider Mite Control

Pyrethrum is fairly safe, but if it also has PBO, piperonyl butoxide, it's a different ball game.

I would use Azasol rather than Azamax or Azatrol. Azasol is oil free, causes no phytotoxicity, is more systemic, no smell after drying [to humans], no mess, similar price, dissolves instantly. In sum, more effective.

Best way is to mix in a bucket, cover top of root ball with a rag or cardboard and immerse everything above ground. That way you get 100% coverage, and dunking them washes off many mites and eggs. Also, spray walls, doors, floor, entire container including the bottom. Non messy since it's oil free.

The big key that has given me a once and for all kill [till I carry more in], is to do a second dunk 36 hours later, followed by another in 48. This kills any hatchlings before they have a chance to lay more eggs. Plus you're done in 4 days. I usually follow this procedure using Spinosad w/wetting agent the first 2 treatments, with Azasol for the 3rd.

What has worked well for me has been to spray the plants with Azasol during the first week of 12/12 as a preventive. No mites thru harvest. Haven't had mites in the 3 years since I started this one preventive treatment.

I've also gotten rid of mites using only Spinosad w/wetting agent for 4 treatments. Spray, again in 36, 36, 48. Good luck. -granger

You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman
I agree with everything you say.. we must be related

PS...gonna save your mite recipe. thanks

 

[Tumpuh]

What if I used bbq briquettes and barbequed some green house tomatoes? I thinks thats not much different, if not way way way way worse than smoking buds with a biodegradable pesticide on them one time.. I dont smoke very much at all, so its not going to be a problem for me, unless I notice irritation or something from smoking them.. I will use a water bong.. excellent idea.. I have smoked tons of mexi brick weed and both of my kids came out fine Its all about personal preference I guess. I dont have health issues. Its not going to kill me, it cant even kill my plants and many times it doesn't even kill all the mites from what I have read. I will likely smoke the buds and they will be perfectly fine. I wont use the crap again though...that jerk off collective owner is gonna get a piece of my mind too.. I didn't think those people could get away with selling tainted clones and stay in business... odd...If and when I get to where I can help others, it will be all organic and chem free as it should be. I am working in a dirty garage to boot.. so cleanliness is very difficult. Ill get there... if I make it through smoking these buds lol, god I hate myself...

 

[Tumpuh]

THE KEY IS TO SPRAY OR BETTER DIP THE CLONES WHEN YOU GET THEM, BEFORE YOU PUT THEM INTO YOUR GARDEN.
AFTER SEVERAL DIPS A WEEK APART THE CLONES ARE CLEAN AND ANY MITE EGGS NOT KILLED HAVE HATCHED AND DIED.
DO NOT FLOWER OR SMOKE THE SPRAYED MOTHERS, CLEAN HER UP, GET HER BIGGER AND USE HER TO MAKE NEW CLONES THAT ARE CLEAN AND NOT SPRAYED THEM SELF.
I KNOW THAT TECHNICALLY THEY WERE DIPPED OR SPRAYED, (ON THE SMALL MOM) BUT IF YOU DO THIS WHEN THE MOM'S ARE VERY VERY SMALL THEN GROW THEM BIGGER TO MAKE CLONES THAT WERE NOT EVEN ON THE MOM WHEN SPRAYED (AS SHE WAS SO SMALL) YOU WILL GET JUST PPM OR EVEN LESS OF THE FLORAMITE.
TAKE THE LOSS AND MOVE ON, MAYBE IT WILL HELP YOU REMEMBER TO LOOK AT CLONES BEFORE YOU BUY THEM TO SEE IF THEY HAVE MITES, AND PRESUME THAT ANY CLONE YOU GET FROM OTHERS DO HAVE MITES OR MITE EGGS, AND DIP THEM FIRST THING. Maybe ask your local clone seller if you can get a discount or free clones if you find mites on them, take a hand lens to help.
I AM AN ORGANIC GARDENER, BUT YOU CAN NOT ELIMINATE MITES VERY EASY ORGANICALLY, IT IS EASY WITH FLORAMITE OR AVID OR OTHER DANGEROUS MITICIDES, BUT BE CAREFUL USING IT.
PREVENTION IS THE KEY.
YOU CAN TRY IPM, PREDATORS, BUT IT IS VERY HARD TO GET 100% CONTROL, THEY MAY KEEP THE MITES POPULATION SO LOW THEY ARE NOT A REAL PROBLEM.
-SamS

The collective owner owes me something.. I agree..and if he doesnt do the right thing, all of my online forums will find out his collectives name..I dont want anyone else getting screwed.. I am not even sure if I would accept free clones at this point.. I have a key lime cutting that rooted and will run that next time.. I have over 3000 dollars invested into this run so far from buying all new equipment, amendments, etc etc ...all of your information is excellent, but I will have nothing else and cant afford to buy at clubs, so its this run, or go without..Its not a choice I like to make..but its a choice I have been presented with. Unless you can turn me onto a place that gives the stuff away to doofuses like me? lol just kidding.

You want to talk about chemical exposure? I was a meth addict for 5 years after my dad died... Glad that part of my life is over.

 

[Tumpuh]

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_ChemUse.jsp?Rec_Id=PC36422


Top 50 Crops and Sites for Bifenazate( active ingredient in floramite)use in California in 2009

Crop or Site
(Commodity Code)
Gross
Pounds Application Rate
pounds per acre treated
Acres Planted
where all or part
has been sprayed
Acres Treated Application
Count
All Sites (00)
69,337 0.47 222,734 146,898 6,899
Wine Grapes (29143)
18,333 0.46 73,514 40,032 1,178
Strawberries (1016)
17,353 0.49 48,527 35,480 1,254
Almonds (3001)
9,599 0.46 29,589 20,797 358
Table and Raisin Grapes (29141)
8,441 0.49 20,979 17,078 460
Peaches (5004)
3,490 0.48 9,037 7,285 460
Walnuts (3009)
2,398 0.47 7,989 5,056 185
Cherries (5002)
1,826 0.44 5,237 4,142 159
Nectarines (5003)
1,825 0.48 4,742 3,837 262
Prunes (5006)
1,036 0.67 3,026 1,538 53
Plums (5005)
934.0 0.49 2,247 1,914 108
Raspberries (1006)
644.4 0.48 2,668 1,343 144
Tangerines (2008)
545.0 0.46 1,186 1,180 5
Outdoor Container Nursery (154)
510.8 0.28 6,439 1,723 490
Apples (4001)
357.0 0.47 1,095 764.6 31
Greenhouse Plants (153)
334.3 0.35 756.4 774.5 780
Outdoor Propagation Nursery (156)
286.7 0.49 647.0 587.5 55
Watermelons (10008)
183.2 0.47 387.5 387.5 8
Greenhouse Flowers (151)
175.6 0.28 383.3 582.7 437
Apricots (5001)
151.9 0.47 384.8 322.6 12
Bell Peppers (11003)
140.0 0.50 309.0 280.0 2
Cucumbers (10010)
137.8 0.50 334.0 275.5 25
Pears (4003)
113.4 0.40 357.3 284.8 19
Pumpkins (10011)
66.5 0.46 242.9 145.9 4
Landscape (30)
65.1 - - - 112
Tomatoes (11005)
59.8 0.23 125.0 256.4 16
Tomatoes for Processing (29136)
58.1 0.38 165.0 155.0 1
Blackberries (1002)
51.0 0.50 156.1 101.9 16
Outdoor Flower Nursery (152)
48.0 0.19 1,494 237.3 146
Commodity Research (99)
30.3 - - - 33
Cantaloupe (10002)
27.6 0.46 153.0 60.0 1
Eggplant (11001)
26.2 0.44 47.5 60.0 7
Succulent Beans (15003)
26.0 0.50 95.0 52.0 2
Pluot (5505)
19.5 0.50 38.9 38.9 1
Pistachios (3011)
12.5 0.50 295.0 25.0 2
Greenhouse Propagation (155)
9.39 0.20 18.6 47.3 46
Mint (28012)
7.48 0.34 45.0 22.0 1
Unknown (-1)
5.75 0.72 2.00 8.00 10
Chestnuts (3004)
5.62 0.38 16.0 15.0 2
Melons (29122)
2.00 0.25 4.00 8.00 2
Vertebrate Pest Control (80)
0.34 - - - 1
Regulatory (100)
0.24 - - - 11
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I guess we should all be dead by now....?