Panama

[recent guest]

Has anyone encountered a pheno with a very common afghan-esque scent to it? My current panama smells very much like my afghan pheno of Soma's Diesel, and reminds me of common dispensary smells like Kushes, Diesels, Chemdawg sorts of flavors. The previous plant from this pack of seeds was a strawberry red pheno, beautiful and potent with an exotic fruit aroma very uncommon in commercial varieties.

 

[wantaknow]

is punta rojo in the mix?or is this the red point?

 

[canna woop!]

has any one found their Panama Male's herm out given any amount of stress? I pruned him down from 6' to 3-4' and switched him to flower. Now he's around 5' and flowering… there are about % 25 of pistils among the pollen sacs!

Will this mean the females/males fron the F1 batch will herm out as well? I have already pollenated several branches so maybe this plant has run it's course. Should I chop? Is there a way to take the F1's and work the herm traits out? by using a new female or new male?

I was told this male is from a bagseed from panama. Here is a picture of the top I cut down when I got it:

edit- i have cut the stem and put it in a glass of water. It should still give a few more pollen sacs

 

[kiwigreen420]

Has anyone encountered a pheno with a very common afghan-esque scent to it? My current panama smells very much like my afghan pheno of Soma's Diesel, and reminds me of common dispensary smells like Kushes, Diesels, Chemdawg sorts of flavors. The previous plant from this pack of seeds was a strawberry red pheno, beautiful and potent with an exotic fruit aroma very uncommon in commercial varieties.

Yeah all 3 of my plants outdoors have a pungent hashplant smell, is that associated with the red pheno?

(3.5 weeks veg)

They still have 5 or more weeks of veg left.

 

[Don Dump]

has any one found their Panama Male's herm out given any amount of stress? I pruned him down from 6' to 3-4' and switched him to flower. Now he's around 5' and flowering… there are about % 25 of pistils among the pollen sacs!

Will this mean the females/males fron the F1 batch will herm out as well? I have already pollenated several branches so maybe this plant has run it's course. Should I chop? Is there a way to take the F1's and work the herm traits out? by using a new female or new male?

I was told this male is from a bagseed from panama. Here is a picture of the top I cut down when I got it:
View Image
edit- i have cut the stem and put it in a glass of water. It should still give a few more pollen sacs

yes I had a panama male go pansy on me when I stressed it out also. I had it in flower for a couple weeks, then stuck it in a windowsill for another week or so, waiting for some flowers to open and it grew a few pistils. I was advised against using it by some respected breeders. so I binned it and grew out another one stress free. but if its the only male you have, might as well experiment with it if you want to

 

[Bleiweis]

@bear_riot
My Panama (although from CBG) had a destinct Afghani smell. I have to say that the outcome is just gorgeous...amazing taste and a real sativa high with no ceiling. Best plant i ever grew! She also showed some pink pistils in the beginning but then we had some problems with the weather so she did not develop fully. The result was still outstanding.

P.S. : did anyone else try Panama at around N47? Im not sure if i would try it again due to climate restrictions...don't know if i just had bad luck or my area just isn't suitable for this kind of sativa.

 

[The Hatter]

has any one found their Panama Male's herm out given any amount of stress? I pruned him down from 6' to 3-4' and switched him to flower. Now he's around 5' and flowering… there are about % 25 of pistils among the pollen sacs!

Will this mean the females/males fron the F1 batch will herm out as well? I have already pollenated several branches so maybe this plant has run it's course. Should I chop? Is there a way to take the F1's and work the herm traits out? by using a new female or new male?

I was told this male is from a bagseed from panama. Here is a picture of the top I cut down when I got it:
View Image
edit- i have cut the stem and put it in a glass of water. It should still give a few more pollen sacs

My only experience has been with a single very nice looking Panama male that I literally abused to death and it never showed any hermie traits. I kept it alive long enough to collect pollen but it had to be removed from my females and was kept in the absolute worst conditions you could imagine after that point.

One thing that sticks out in my mind is that you said the male came from bag seed. In my experience unless a person is actively breeding cannabis the only way you get bag seed is from a hermie in the room thus there is a chance your bag seed male had a shemale as a father and picked up the trait from him/her.

As for passing on the trait, I'm sorry to say it probably will pass the trait on to some but not all of the offspring.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Mine always has hot pink hairs like this, and has an exotic tropical fruit like flavor. Its super potent, and has a great quality high.

Ive never tasted a hash like flavor. Even the crosses I made with it retained mostly that same fruity flavor.

 

[Zanddar]

Very nice colors Dr.Purpur.
Mine only shows a few pink hairs sometimes.In my next gen I find better.

I have not found any herm traits in my Panama.
Not saying there is none,just never found or would ever keep such a plant.
The large beautiful purple male I used was stressed and never showed any such thing.

Panama is one strain I plan to do much breeding with in the future.
I like to keep it pure and the way it was meant to be.
Although,will cross it to any other nice females I have at the time.

Take care

 

[canna woop!]

Hi

Hi

Hi all thanks for the replies. I attached another photo of one of the lower branches in my album titles , multimedia tools
It looks that way on all branches. It sounds like I would be better served finding a true breeding variety. Yet, s/he could represent a wild variety that simply needs to be stabilized a bit. Look I'm trying to keep an open mind. Plus, chances I will be spending 70 on panama seeds when I scramble just to eat right. Any how, my panama seeds will be ready sooner than the monster and lavender or the haZe ibl bx I made.
Thanks for the replies, and sorry if I derailed the thread since I don't have ace gear. Woop

 

[The Hatter]

Hi all thanks for the replies. I attached another photo of one of the lower branches in my album titles , multimedia tools
It looks that way on all branches. It sounds like I would be better served finding a true breeding variety. Yet, s/he could represent a wild variety that simply needs to be stabilized a bit. Look I'm trying to keep an open mind. Plus, chances I will be spending 70 on panama seeds when I scramble just to eat right. Any how, my panama seeds will be ready sooner than the monster and lavender or the haZe ibl bx I made.
Thanks for the replies, and sorry if I derailed the thread since I don't have ace gear. Woop

Oh, this makes much more sense now. I missed that this isn't Ace's Panama we are discussing and rather an unknown Panamanian. I have never read any hermie reports for the Ace Panama strain but hermies are quite common in most tropical land race sativas that haven't been selectively bred to remove this trait. So if you have real unworked panama land race seeds then its not that surprising you found a hermie.

People always say burn the hermies, never breed with them etc. but if the seeds you made from this plant are your only good option then there is certainly no reason that you cannot use them so long as you don't mind the extra work of weeding out the hermies in the offspring. Almost all of the tropical sativa land race strains had to have the hermies worked out of the lines by the original breeders. Just be very vigilant with looking over your plants every couple of days for male flowers so you can remove those plants before they seed your whole crop.

On a more Ace related note I am very happy with how my Panama has cured. It went from having a sharp pure lemon pine-sol aroma in flower to a deliciously complex mix of scents that are hard to describe. The lemon is still there but more subdued with stronger woody incense and cedar aromas becoming more dominate. It is delicious. The potency has increased a bit and the the effects have become more complex. I find it works pretty good for pain which was a nice bonus. This is by far my favorite smoke at the moment and ranks amongst some of the best I have had as far as quality of effect.

 

[Tiami]

I don't know how hashplants smell but 3 panamas I had all had very fruity, exotic, coca-cola like smell with citrus background. defently not hashy which I associate with dark, earthy tones. the smell is unlike any other, so strong.

P.S. : did anyone else try Panama at around N47? Im not sure if i would try it again due to climate restrictions...don't know if i just had bad luck or my area just isn't suitable for this kind of sativa.

Panamas finished around 15-20 november for me. I'm around 40N, on island with long summers and no frost. still I think late october/nov is the end of growing season here. we had around 15C all december and plenty of sunny days but the sun is not strong enough at this latitude once november begins, dew and rain start, days are short..

but defently running Panama next summer though

 

[Panacanna]

I'm just finishing an Ace Panama now. It has heavily purpled undersides, didn't stretch much and will have gone only 10 weeks from the flip, only 7 since setting pistils. I posted pics a page or two back.

Does this pheno sound familiar to you guys? I'm going to keep it for sure.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Panama CBG 9 weeks

 

[mayan]

Panama - Day 70 (12/12/)

Panama - Day 70 (12/12/)

Hey all...

Just two quicki pics of the Panama I have going currently. I have grown Panama out three or four times but this is a new pheno for me. I'm looking through Zanddar's encyclopediac thread to see whether there's anything resembling her in his grows.

She is a total resin monster. I call her the white "pheno" coz her basic personna is -well- "white." Looking at her is almost like looking at a negative. She grew very differently than the others. Her predecessors flowered fast and furiously. Big ol' dense buds. This one, however, was at first very grudging in her flowering...sporadic plopping forth of a big clump of almost balding calyxes. In fact, in the early days, I toyed with the idea of taking her down (other than the fact that I LOVE Panama) but realized she might be something very special and decided to let her strut her stuff in her own way. The long and the short is that she is comprised of everlengthening foxtail braids, worming in and out of each other.

Quite often, I'll think that she's spent but then she vomits forth a whole bunch of new pistils and calyxes. I have no idea how long she's gonna go...she has been thickening and fattening substantially, however. Some small tendril will bolt...a calyx or two on a stalk but then -next time I look- the space between the new growth and the bud proper will be filled in. Fascinating!!!

She's not a "major" producer BUT these buds are dense! AND she just continues to pack it on. The branches are sparse but I was looking at 'em in silhouette tonight and they are putting on some acceptable girth as well.

Have any of you Panama stalwarts grown anything similar. Oh yeah - for the record- this was grown from fed seed. Directly - not a clone. Grown her whole life under 12/12. Oh...she's a tall one - I'd say four feet or over.

More to come!

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Mayan, that looks like my vanilla baked goods pheno.

I had 4 females, 1 very short indica looking female, 1 green columbian smelling female, 1 red columbian smelling female and the vanilla baked goods female.

The vanilla pheno was the best, most excellent smoke. Mine threw some male flowers but it was great weed.

 

[mayan]

Interesting, HITH...It's great to know that you thought she was sthe best of the lot! How long did you let her go in flower? Any other thoughts/experiences regarding her trajectory? Also, any words regarding her "head?"

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Flowering time was in to the high 80's.

I loved the high and the smell it left in the room was the most memorable. It's a light smoke that carries in the breeze, and leaves the most excellent vanilla baked goods smell in the room. Like walking in to a bakery. The common trait in all of the females, was the red eyed high.

I will say the high is much like the song "panama red" by the riders of the purple sage.

It is potent as hell but will leave you stuck to your chair, not the typical sativa high. More of a lazy afternoon or a day ender.

 

[Panacanna]

Freshly chopped Ace Panama

 

[RandyCalifornia]

she looks special to me for sure! love the white frosting. Panama is a very resinous strain. What kind of smell is she streaming to you? Have you tried a tester?