Ace seeds Malawi 12/12 from start,what to expect?

[PunkAssWeed]

Hi everyone

I have4 malawi seeds and have couple of questions.

First, i have small growbox 90x90x90cm or 36" x 36" x 36". How big it will be if i start 12/12 from beginning?

Second, if its going to be too big whats the best method to keep it as small as possible? Recommended pot size? iam planning to use 8liter clay pot.Opinions about scrog or lst? Lights 11/13?

Third, i have only 250w hps. Is that enough for 1 or 2 plants? I hope get one. I dont need huge yeild, just want to try this strain and get as quality bud as possible.

If there anything you like to say/point out,please do.

Thanks

-PAW

 

[second time]

im guna answer in reverse
250w is a good light for small grows you can shove upto 4 under a 250 if you scrog, the yeilds are very good and its nice to see a uniform canopy of nuggetry.
pots for keeping the plants small.
i would recommend smart pots that air prune the roots, a 3g pot should be enough since they wont become root bound so easily.
18/6 veg it and then 12/12 after 6-8weeks depending on hight.
you can flower the plants at any time i know some people who only veg 5-6weeks and still produce sexy yeilds.
above all enjoy the experience your learning how to heal the planet 1 plant at a time.
get your fingers green not just with green but red yellow orange blue namaste

 

[3dDream]

Don't stop pinching and bending to keep them down until you see flowers. Imagine a line in the box and don't let them grow above it. Pinch the fresh growth when it is smallest.

 

[VerdantGreen]

i did original haze in a 2ft high cab by vegging on 12/12 and then flowering on 10/14. you will still most likely need to train them to keep the height down

at 12/12 from seed they might still get very big before they start flowering.

if you are a beginner then you might be better to do a couple of rounds with a more normal hybrid before getting into tropical sativas!

VG

 

[PunkAssWeed]

im guna answer in reverse
250w is a good light for small grows you can shove upto 4 under a 250 if you scrog, the yeilds are very good and its nice to see a uniform canopy of nuggetry.
pots for keeping the plants small.
i would recommend smart pots that air prune the roots, a 3g pot should be enough since they wont become root bound so easily.
18/6 veg it and then 12/12 after 6-8weeks depending on hight.
you can flower the plants at any time i know some people who only veg 5-6weeks and still produce sexy yeilds.
above all enjoy the experience your learning how to heal the planet 1 plant at a time.
get your fingers green not just with green but red yellow orange blue namaste

reverse answer in what way
I have 4 seeds so maybe 2 females. you mean 3 gallon pot? and 6-8veg with 100% sativa. i need to adjust to this reverse answer
but basically i have enough light. 400w hps would bring heat issues.

I posted also to ace seeds forum and got reply to use 5liter(1.25gal) pot max. i have couple of those so maybe i go with them.

Don't stop pinching and bending to keep them down until you see flowers. Imagine a line in the box and don't let them grow above it. Pinch the fresh growth when it is smallest.

Thanks, i forgot that completely. i have heard of this but forgot to do it.had no need to that.

i did original haze in a 2ft high cab by vegging on 12/12 and then flowering on 10/14. you will still most likely need to train them to keep the height down

at 12/12 from seed they might still get very big before they start flowering.

if you are a beginner then you might be better to do a couple of rounds with a more normal hybrid before getting into tropical sativas!

VG

I have 3-4 grows in my current growbox. i have used vertical lighting. I has worked quite well. Plants have stopped growing before they hit the ceiling. maybe because they reach for the light. I am not sure which one to use,vertical or horizontal. horizontal with scrog. or maybe some kind of vertical scrog. hard to tell at this point.

i like to grow that plants get their natural posture. in my current box that is bit difficult. with malawi i think its impossible.

so if i narrow it down to 3 options:

1) horizontal,with scrog.
2) vertical,with scrog.
3) vertical,with pinching/tying.
(4) horizontal with pinching, maybe too hard to control height.plants might stretch too much towards the light. dont see this one as an option.

cons with scrog, havent done that before.
pros ,better yeild, easier height control.

cons with pinching, height control?
pros plants look more natural as i like them.

-PAW

Ps. my grow box, there has been slight chances sense the picture.

 

[second time]

they are 1 gallon pots correct? most growers recommend bigger pots because it allows better root growth = bigger yields and better quality buds.
if you do stick with 1 gal pots still try and source some smart pots to stop the plants becoming root bound.
nothing worse than a plant in flower that randomly dies.
good luck much love namaste

 

[PunkAssWeed]

they are 1 gallon pots correct? most growers recommend bigger pots because it allows better root growth = bigger yields and better quality buds.
if you do stick with 1 gal pots still try and source some smart pots to stop the plants becoming root bound.
nothing worse than a plant in flower that randomly dies.
good luck much love namaste

Now i got the point.

Can you tell me more about this rootbound thing?

If i use 3gallon instead of 1gal how much that affect the size of a plant?my original idea was to control size with pot size.

-PAW

 

[paulo73]

It will affect all aspects of the plant growth and with that space any sativa in a 3galons pot, any pot, would be overkill.
Verdant Green was spot on with his advice.

 

[PunkAssWeed]

It will affect all aspects of the plant growth and with that space any sativa in a 3galons pot, any pot, would be overkill.
Verdant Green was spot on with his advice.

Thanks. 5litres is way to go. Started to wonder about root bound. I need to study that. Never had problems with 3litre hempy buckets though.

-PAW

Ps. Im going with soil this time. Not with hempy buckets.

 

[second time]

root binding can happen to any plant more commonly the sativas and big indicas.
dont be to afraid of it i see alot of grows in undersized pots root binding can be a way to control plant size. it comes with a risk of the plant dieing.
personally i go for 3 gal bucket style pots.
imagine it like an iceberg, what you see on top is about 30% of the footprint.
or a tree the roots on a tree spread a lot more distance than the branches.
if you want a monster plant and space isnt an issue biggest pot possible always produces the best results.
if you want a mid size plant work it in a half sized pot just means more watering and a bit more care.
if you want a micro plant sub 1.5f use half pot size again. double watering duties and be sure to keep it happy when signs arise like mag lockout etc etc.
learn as you grow you will learn more from doing than anyone can teach you namaste

 

[PunkAssWeed]

Thanks. I read few articles about root bound yesterday. Its good to learn new things.

Ok,what next?

My biggest consern is size. Tools to prevent plant growing too muchot size,lights as low as 10/14,pinching or scrog. other problem: vertical or horizontal lighting? One option is to use mh for beginning to keep plant smaller.

Is there anything else i should think about?

-PAW

 

[kiwigreen420]

Hey man,

I have a Malawi mother flowering indoors now, I recommend keeping them in small pots(1-2litre) until they show sex. They like to grow outwards more than upwards and can turn into branchy monsters.

I reckon you should have the lights at 11/13 to reduce elongation and flower time. imo 10/14 is too low for Ace Malawi. You'll be able to keep it under 3 ft, look at some ace malawi threads to see how manageable this plant is.

Wild Malawi straight out of africa wouldn't be good at all in that space, it's too out of control usually indoors. Thank god Ace made this easy to grow indoor.

Watch for the devastating thin leaf phenotypes

 

[PunkAssWeed]

Thanks Kiwigreen420!

That was very useful information. Small pot->sex->bigger pot.

What happens if light is too short,10/14? How much shorter does flowering get with 11/13? Long flowering time doesnt bother me,just curiuous.

Any opinions about horizontal vs vertical? With outward growing maybe horizontal.

-PAW

 

[Tangwena]

Hi PAW all of the above is good info, but might I suggest you try ceramic metal halide instead of HPS it keeps plant more compact and still lets them flower well. My grow box is 1.5m high by 1.2m wide check out my diary under Ace Malawi. I used HPS before this grow and plants got a lot taller.
Good luck growing malawi in such a tight space.
Tangwena

 

[PunkAssWeed]

Thanks Tangwena.

I have been thinking about getting myself a cmh but at this point i cannot get one. Budget issues.

I would need one with universal burning position. I have mh whitch is horizontal. Mayby should use that at beginning and chance to hps after few weeks of flower.

-PAW

 

[kiwigreen420]

I think 10/14 will diminish the yields and maybe even resin production if used too early, it would be alright using 10/14 in the last 1-2 weeks to mimic nature.

11/13 will stop elongation more than flowering time but It could reduce down by 1-1.5 weeks.
this light cycle is only good for equatorial sativas and not recommended for indicas at all.

I think you should have horizontal light because light penetration on this plant is amazing and doesn't even need to be trained - it almost does it by itself.

Do you have a pic of the space? maybe you could just pick the best pheno and put one in there - that's what I did and picked the thin leaf 'Killer' pheno and there is no doubt in my mind that this is 100% Malawi and pure sativa.

I haven't even smoked it yet and it's already my favourite plant, be careful who you share the bud with though - "After years of hard work and intense selections with sativas from all around the world, we can confirm that Malawi is the most powerful and psychedelic landrace sativa we know". Ace Malawi is pure fire and needs to be treated carefully.

good luck bro and I look forward to your grow.

 

[PunkAssWeed]

Thanks for reply kiwi.

One plant would be good.max two. Usually i get less than 50% females. Last time was exeption 6/7,WHOAAA!. Cab was too full. Luckyly they were good sog plants.

I start with horizontal mh and go with flow. With horizontal i have less than 2feet growing height for plant. With vertical there is slighly under 2,5feet. If i have to i chance it to vertical. Total height is 3 feet. Minus the pot and lamp,luckily i have cool tube so i can bring plants quite close to the lamp.

If i get many ladies i should choose one with thin leaves??

I have read bunch of smoke rewievs past few days, and malawi sound scary but inryiguing!

I mostly look forward the growing and test my ability grow her in suck tight space. But it doest bother me if i get some killer bud! Better to be extra careful when smoking.

-PAW

Ps. I try to remember take a better picture.

 

[VerdantGreen]

ive never heard of 10/14 light cycle diminishing resin production, not sure if there are any citations for that?

it will possibly reduce yield simply because it will accelerate the flowering response.... but with such reduced height you are are pushing the envelope tying to grow strains like that anyway. Unless you grow in such a small space then its hard to understand the challenges!
perhaps start at 11/13 and then be ready to go to 10/14 if it looks like you will run out of space.

if you look at my galleries, the Original Haze one, you can see how low i managed to keep them from seed using scrog and 10/14.

GL

VG

 

[kiwigreen420]

yeah but ace malawi gets most of its resin if taken to 14 weeks, if it was on 10/14 its whole life the plant wont flower to its full potential of 14 or more weeks depending on pheno of course.

Ace Malawi doesn't grow like a complete equatorial sativa, it has medium internodes and an amazing branching system.

How high is your tolerance to weed? the thinnest phenos apparently are more devastating and psychedelic and the broader phenos are more electric and 'up'. That's just what I've read anyways.

maybe go vertical then? 3 ft is doable if you keep them in small pots for awhile. They have massive preflowers that have a blue tint to the calyxes.

 

[PunkAssWeed]

I am looking forward to this growing,it seem that there will be lots of challenges.

If i have to i lower the lights to 10/14. And there is always possibility to turn vertical.

I am pleased with any pheno. Of course it would be fun(read scared) to get the devastating pheno. I have quite low tolerance. Not an everyday smoker.

Thanks for replies. The question about lights and resin is interesting. Iam not an expert grower but my best guest would be that resin production is tied to maturing of a plant(hormones based function?) not to that how long they flower. Or you can never know,maybe the flowering/maturing and resin production mechanisms of a plant are separate. Please forgive me my english, dont know the word so i use mechanism. Hope you get the idea.

-PAW