Terpenation at Terpene Station

[Permacultuure]

If the tank is empty you can turn it upside down and open the vapor valve. What makes you think there is water in your recovery tank?

 

[hounddogg]

My recovery tank has been weighing in at about 38.5, but today after running it weighed 43.5. It was the only thing I could think of adding that much weight.

 

[Permacultuure]

Atmosphere can add weight, maybe try burping it after the tanks been chilled for an hr or so.....thats a lot of atmosphere though. Your using filter driers?

 

[hounddogg]

Yeah I am using filter driers. You know, maybe there is ice stuck to the bottom

 

[Gray Wolf]

What PC said. Over time you will pick up water and will periodically have to turn the tank upside down and blast it out the vapor port.

 

[nakadashi]

When you say "blast it out the vapor port" do you mean transfer butane to another tank and use an air compressor or something to blast it out? Or will this work with butane still in the tank?

 

[PenZenMaster]

I believe I have water in my recovery tank. Anyone know how to verify and/or get rid of it?

The only way I know is visual inspection. Chill the tank down below 32 degree F, transfer the butane to another tank and remove the plug for the fill cut off switch if you have one. Other wise you need to remove the valve assembly. Not fun but the only way to be 100% sure.

Had to do it twice in the last year or so.

 

[mr. gt]

LOL, didn't learn much from the first banning?

I was being somewhat sarcastic. A step by step would be nice though. I would never give my damn info out on here especially to someone called 'xx extractors' whose been on here for 1 month, let alone to anyone

~mr. gt

 

[Permacultuure]

The only way I know is visual inspection. Chill the tank down below 32 degree F, transfer the butane to another tank and remove the plug for the fill cut off switch if you have one. Other wise you need to remove the valve assembly. Not fun but the only way to be 100% sure.

Had to do it twice in the last year or so.

You had to remove the valve assembly to discharge moisture? What did you do once the valve assembly was off?

Have you tried the upside down open vapor valve before?

 

[FatherEarth]

Sam,


When growing for the actual flowers I can understand your favor of yellowing plants making smoother burning/tasting flowers.

I was referring to growing plants for the oils is why I said we get more plant fats when plants have a battery of nutrients available. This also allows for more thorough terpene production and better yield as well as getting the plants closer to expressing their full genetic potential.


So starving your plants and inducing senescence is allowing them to finish completely? I was under the impression that cannabis will go through a natural senescence even in the presence of available nutrients, once it has reached full maturity.
Maybe you have a different explanation/experience and can help me understand this process a bit better.
Im in no way telling you 'how it is' just sharing my experience as well as what Ive gathered from agronomy/ soil fertility research. Your experience as well as your opinion are highly regarded and appreciated.


Here are sources for some the nutrient density/full genetic potential info. This is what I strive for when I grow plants...

http://bionutrient.org/audio/2013_soil_nutrition_conference/a-01-31-2013-JohnKempf.mp3

http://bionutrient.org/audio/2013_soil_nutrition_conference/b-01-31-2013-JohnKempf.mp3

http://bionutrient.org/audio/2013_soil_nutrition_conference/c-01-31-2013-JohnKempf.mp3

http://bionutrient.org/audio/2013_soil_nutrition_conference/d-01-31-2013-JohnKempf.mp3


Respectfully,

FE

I believe we can get just as good of results if not better than hydro using nutrient dense organic soil. Flavor being one of the arenas that synthetics just cant compete in. The speed of growth, yield, and cannabinoid production can be matched if not surpassed if your soil fertility is dialed and in sufficient quantity. Available water and water quality also being paramount issues....

 

[PenZenMaster]

More work, but I think better results

More work, but I think better results

You had to remove the valve assembly to discharge moisture? What did you do once the valve assembly was off?

Have you tried the upside down open vapor valve before?

Once I suspected that I had moisture in the tank I wanted to verify that there was not corrosion inside, so I froze the tank, removed the butane and took it apart. I cleaned the tank out, verified that the liner inside still looked good and re-installed the valve assembly.



Hole on the left is for valve and hole on the right is for tank over fill.
Just tape 'em up good and leak test the tank before putting into use.

I've never tried the invert and blast.

But every six months I do drain my tanks and check that the tare weight is still spot on before I take it apart.

I suppose that it is possible to transfer water when you recover the butane from one tank to another, but I put a fresh water filter trap inline before starting.

 

[hounddogg]

Earlier when I posted that the weight of my tank had went up to 43.5 I was wrong. I should have wrote 39.3. It had gained less than a pound. I was able to burp my tank to get it back down to the original weight.

Also, when I rebuilt my Appion, there was a lot of honey oil inside the case. I believe when I overflowed the collection pot that I messed up the seals. I must have been losing butane during recovery which led me to having to add more butane to my recovery tank. Then when I transferred liquid butane with the Appion, I completely destroyed the seals.

 

[vapor]

Ups finally found me lol. Can hardly wait to play with the big boys,need a few more bits. soon come. Thanks for all the info folks.....

 

[nakadashi]

Ups finally found me lol. Can hardly wait to play with the big boys,need a few more bits. soon come. Thanks for all the info folks.....

What size column is that? Also am I just imagining things or does it look modified...

 

[vapor]

1 1/2"X 24" sanitary spool
what looks modified? I will put it all together tomorrow/

 

[Permacultuure]

Once I suspected that I had moisture in the tank I wanted to verify that there was not corrosion inside, so I froze the tank, removed the butane and took it apart. I cleaned the tank out, verified that the liner inside still looked good and re-installed the valve assembly.

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Hole on the left is for valve and hole on the right is for tank over fill.
Just tape 'em up good and leak test the tank before putting into use.

I've never tried the invert and blast.

But every six months I do drain my tanks and check that the tare weight is still spot on before I take it apart.

I suppose that it is possible to transfer water when you recover the butane from one tank to another, but I put a fresh water filter trap inline before starting.

Thanks for the response! It looks like the same assembly as my 100# tanks and I've been thinking about utilizing the over fill as an additional valve. It seems like the restriction on flow happens at the valve assembly....is your water filter a "water separator"? Like I use on a large air compressor?

 

[Kcar]

What size column is that? Also am I just imagining things or does it look modified...

I think that's just a concentric reducer stuffed in the end of the
sanitary spool.

 

[icdog]

Quite a few posts back there was discussion on how slowly to open the 2 and 4 valves for the final dump. How slowly is best to open these valves, do you do it by pressure and wait for a certain pressure orvac to keep opening them?
During floods should valve 2 be opened slowly as well?

 

[Permacultuure]

When i dump I can feel the flow of butane, I leave it a quarter open then fully open after I feel the flow slow. I leave the dip tube valve closed during the initial part of dump in order to encourage the butane to flow down as opposed to gassing off....I wait to dump once the gauge drops close to 0. I'm not familiar with valve numbers but I open the dip tube valve quickly and control flow with the flood valve.

 

[nakadashi]

Quite a few posts back there was discussion on how slowly to open the 2 and 4 valves for the final dump. How slowly is best to open these valves, do you do it by pressure and wait for a certain pressure orvac to keep opening them?
During floods should valve 2 be opened slowly as well?

I just crack it open and stop opening as soon as I see pressure start to go up. I figure this way its a small stream of 'tane. Even if the tane slowly dribbles down, the bottleneck is recovery pump so imo there is no point in fully opening it.