Azucar Grow

[the gnome]

Doing that or either just dumping buckets of water onto the floor, and leaving the faucet running in the upstairs bedroom because that is always a good idea.

LOL!!!... good one!!......I'm still laughing

 

[lulzz]

honestly i had know idea what his floor was made of,
and yes your are correct... of course it will have a LOT more surface area etc etc
that's one of the things I did in my 14x20 bloom room in the link i gave.
it was a quick fix but in the long run it has potential bigger downsides.
fostering a perfect enviroment for molds is one of them.
AND
having to slog thru water everywhere with wet feet, working with all the electrical things in a 6000w gro like mine
or a 1 bulb cfl set,
up all the while being a perfect conductor for electricity isn't a good thing... eh
not everyone wants to do what i did...
i didn't even want to do what i did
another thing,
this had to be done 4Xs a day minimum and was a fooking mess!.
if the towel wicking water in a bucket would have worked i would have gone that route
lol...its a lot easier+cleaner having to put more water in the bucket... yes?

there's more than one way to get your Rh up,
the more options available to you to fix a prob can only be an asset lullz,

more options can only help you make a better, more informed decision
just my

sure mate, wasn't an attack on your suggestion, rather a question if using a towel would be better for some reasons i don't know

i noticed that he got a water proof floor + its a very small room with only 1 plant and it would be really easy to clean up

+ he said he didn't want to buy a humidifier cause its such a small grow, its based on these things i ask the question

peace bro

 

[The_Core]

Hey Gnome, I am not sure if you want to grow this one. I know I am not an expert level grower but this plant is either a very slow grower, or stays the shortest I have ever seen. I suppose topping might have slowed down the growth a bit, but still this plant refuses to get tall. 4 weeks old and maybe 6 inches tall from base of the plant to the top.

 

[The_Core]

sure mate, wasn't an attack on your suggestion, rather a question if using a towel would be better for some reasons i don't know

i noticed that he got a water proof floor + its a very small room with only 1 plant and it would be really easy to clean up

+ he said he didn't want to buy a humidifier cause its such a small grow, its based on these things i ask the question

peace bro

Hey Lulzz. I might give that a try. Flooding the tent floor. No worries about any leaks with the waterproof SJ floor. I am going to hit my plant with 900 PPM or 1.8 EC on the 12th, And then send them into flower on the 16th. I dont care if the plant is only 8 inches when I flip, This one plant is dragging along way too much. I am tempted to take clones and see if they do any better.

 

[lulzz]

Hey Lulzz. I might give that a try. Flooding the tent floor. No worries about any leaks with the waterproof SJ floor. I am going to hit my plant with 900 PPM or 1.8 EC on the 12th, And then send them into flower on the 16th. I dont care if the plant is only 8 inches when I flip, This one plant is dragging along way too much. I am tempted to take clones and see if they do any better.

try it out, the worst that can happen is that it isn't effective enough, then you wipe and clean and moves on

im not sure what to think about this ec and biobizz thing, alot of people say that ec isn't accurate when using it

im suspecting that bio heaven is the cause of the high readings

this comes from another thread here

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Biobizz EC Values
I've seen some question about it so here is a list - hope someone will find it useful

The EC Values are for 1 ml\lt take on RO water - I'm sure it is not fully accurate by it can give you the general idea if you don't have an EC meter

BioGrow 0.35
BioBloow 0.11
TopMax 0.0..
Alg-A-mic 0.35
BoiHeaven - 0.9
[/FONT]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=182076


im gonna check this out myself at next feeding, maybe try making a full mix without bio heaven in it and see what the reading says

 

[The_Core]

try it out, the worst that can happen is that it isn't effective enough, then you wipe and clean and moves on

im not sure what to think about this ec and biobizz thing, alot of people say that ec isn't accurate when using it

im suspecting that bio heaven is the cause of the high readings

this comes from another thread here


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=182076


im gonna check this out myself at next feeding, maybe try making a full mix without bio heaven in it and see what the reading says

Thats a nice find. Thanks bro!

So someone added 1ML of each biobizz nutrient to 1 Liter of RO water, and that is what the EC registered. That is good to know!

You think that BioHeaven is jacking up the EC value and by doing so is actually making us think that our plants are getting enough nutrients when they are not? I could see that actually being a problem. That is why I am going to hit 900-1000 PPMs next watering. If it burns a little atleast I know they are finally getting all that they need. Tired of chasing this nutrient deficiency ghost lol. My leaves look like shit.

 

[The_Core]

Ok so I looked something up. BioHeaven is only a booster. Really just helps facilitate the uptake of other nutrients and has some micros in it.


These processes stimulated by Bio Heaven enhance the availability of nutritionally important trace elements, which are capable of entering plant cells.
Benefits:
• Highly concentrated. • Rapid and complete uptake of the key nutrients. • Accelerated chelating of essential macro and micro nutrients. • Improves yield and quality of harvest. • Improves moisture retention in plants and reduce moisture stress. • Stimulates enzymatic systems in plants to increase plant respiration. • Provides a valuable source of carbon for soil micro-organisms. • Compatible with all fertilizer programs/ brands, both biological bio mineral or
synthetic.
Dosage:
1-5 ml per litre. Start using in the second week of grow. Stop using two weeks before harvest.

Ok so I am basically jacking up my EC for this one BioBooster. This one bio booster had me fearing I would burn my plant up because it raised my EC so high. In reality, this one ingredient jacked my EC so high that I added water to my reservoir and actually lowered the nutrient strength of everything else by 50%. I would have been better off just giving 600 ppms of BioGrow by itself, atleast it would have actually been 600 ppm of nitrogen that my plant would have used. FUCK! Thanks lulzz, You saved me on this one. Next feeding No BioHeaven, 750 PPMs. I have a bad feeling if I cut out BioHeaven and water with 900 PPM I will burn the shit out of my plants. There is no wonder why my leaves still look like shit. I think with the BioBizz line, watching EC value going into the soil is almost pointless. I think these organics are not as easy to monitor and regular chem ferts.

 

[The_Core]

I mean BioHeaven tells you everything right there, They said 1-5 ML per Liter from the second week of grow! That tells you right there its not a fertilizer and it wont burn your plant. But its jacking my EC to 0.9 with 1 ML/Liter! That is shit. After I get my nutrient deficiency taken care of I will start using BioHeaven but I will add it last. I will check my EC with the BioGrow and BioBloom, and wont pay any attention to the readings after adding BioHeaven. That should work right?

 

[The_Core]

BioHeaven raises EC to 0.9 with just 1 ML/Liter of water. That is with RO water.
BioHeaven is a BioBooser with micros. Not macros. So no macros and it raises EC to 0.9......see how it might not be a good thing to measure EC value with Bio Stimulants or Bio Boosters. I would only measure EC value of the macros going in AND then add the Bio Stimulants and Boosters at the end and water in. The Stimulants and Boosters are in a sense cutting my throat when it comes to measuring values.

 

[lulzz]

I mean BioHeaven tells you everything right there, They said 1-5 ML per Liter from the second week of grow! That tells you right there its not a fertilizer and it wont burn your plant. But its jacking my EC to 0.9 with 1 ML/Liter! That is shit. After I get my nutrient deficiency taken care of I will start using BioHeaven but I will add it last. I will check my EC with the BioGrow and BioBloom, and wont pay any attention to the readings after adding BioHeaven. That should work right?

yeah exactly, i been using bio heaven since day 14 or so, many times without flushing, thats the reason of my high ec, and yes, i think you underfed everything else cause the ppm got high

800-1000 ppm on pure grow/bloom might be way beyond 100 %, grow and bloom gives a little on the reading but its not much,

if i was you i would give 100 % on root / algamic and top max if you go bloom, then 50 or 75 grow and bloom if you're starting that now, without heaven, this should give you an ec of 1.5 / 750 ppm if i calculated right

btw, i don't think that you should ignore the ec totally, really high ec's can change how the plant behave burn'd or not, as far as i understood, can someone with knowledge on the subject enlighten us?

 

[The_Core]

yeah exactly, i been using bio heaven since day 14 or so, many times without flushing, thats the reason of my high ec, and yes, i think you underfed everything else cause the ppm got high

800-1000 ppm on pure grow/bloom might be way beyond 100 %, grow and bloom gives a little on the reading but its not much,

if i was you i would give 100 % on root / algamic and top max if you go bloom, then 50 or 75 grow and bloom if your going bloom, without heaven, this should give you an ec of 1.5 / 750 ppm if i calculated right

Ok lets assume I have used up all the macro nutes in my soil. I am now using the BioBizz feeding schedule for their light mix soil because it provides more for the grow. BioBizz says,

BioGrow 2ml/l 0.70 EC
BioBloom 2ml/l 0.22 EC
Algamic 2ml/l 0.70 EC
Topmax 1ml/l 0.00 EC
Root Juice 1ml/l UNKNOWN
BioHeaven 2ml/l 1.8 EC

This mix is what they recommend for week 4 growth, full dose.

The only macro nutrients in BioBizz Lineup is the Bio Grow and Bio Bloom. Together for week 4, full dosage, they come out to EC 0.92 which is 460 ppm. Not bad. But when you add in the others you come out to atleast 3.42 EC. 3.42 IS NOT INCLUDING whatever EC you get from root juice. So 3.42 EC or 1700 PPM.

1700 PPM not including root juice for week 4 VEG. There is no way organics and chemical fertilizers give the same EC readings, there is no way I would ever push 3.42 EC to a plant using chemical fertlizers. But here we are using biobizz and if what they (biobizz) are telling us is correct, we should be pushing 3.42 EC in week 4 veg.

So the question is, Why even bother measuring the EC of BioBizz going into the soil? Because honestly I think in the case of organics EC going in means nothing. BioBizz tells us to push an EC of 3.42 But most people swear anything more than EC of 1.2 will burn up plants. So what do we do from here?

 

[The_Core]

I am going to mix up their full strength nutrients schedule for week 5. And water in week 5. If its EC 4.0. Still going to water. I am going to see what happens. Fuck it. If organic EC readings are going to be higher, I want to know.

There is no way BioBizz is going to tell all of their customers to Push 3.42 EC in week 4 veg if its burning up everyones plants.

 

[lulzz]

it do seems logic, i guess they weren't gonna sell much if everyone burned their plants on their products

 

[the gnome]

sure mate, wasn't an attack on your suggestion, rather a question if using a towel would be better for some reasons i don't know

i noticed that he got a water proof floor + its a very small room with only 1 plant and it would be really easy to clean up

+ he said he didn't want to buy a humidifier cause its such a small grow, its based on these things i ask the question

peace bro

its all good lullz....
the net thingy doesn't let your *tone* come thru most times and my intention was to explore options and not put down your post.. sorry if it came off as defensive....

btw i wasn't quite sure of your *tone* was a + or - one myself....

 

[lulzz]

its all good lullz....
the net thingy doesn't let your *tone* come thru most times and my intention was to explore options and not put down your post.. sorry if it came off as defensive....

btw i wasn't quite sure of your *tone* was a + or - one myself....

You're right.. my english isn't great. And sometimes its difficult to see if the post is negative og positive.. But its all good bro

 

[The_Core]

I did some work today with measuring EC levels of certain nutes in my tap water. Then deleted all the pictures before upload. WTF. Anyway this is what I found out.

Top Max and Root Juice registered only 10 PPMs in my 90 PPM tap water. I used 2ML for each 1/2 Liter of water. So for 1 liter of tap water each measurement is cut in half.

1/2 Liter of 90 PPM tap water + 10 PPMs for Top Max= 100 PPM
1/2 Liter of 90 PPM tap water + 10 PPMs for Root Juice =100 PPM

I added each one to its own individual 1/2 Liter of tap water and it only went up 10 PPM. So with a liter of water your looking at only 5 PPMs. Which is great.

Ok so BioHeaven

1/2 Liter of 90 PPM tap water + BioHeaven at 2ML = 420 PPM-90 PPM Tap water and you get 330 ppms. Then divide in half because its 2ML per liter of water.

So 2ML/Liter of BioHeaven with RO Water is only 165 PPM. (EC 0.35) With tap water its 255 ppm. (EC 0.5)

So it is true. BioHeaven, a BioBooster, with no Macros at 2ml/liter and tap water 90 ppm raises my EC to 0.5 all by itself! Isn't that some shit? The good news is, Root Juice and TopMax don't really do anything to EC value. Neither did the SuperThrive I added. Final PH was around 6.7. I foliar applied BioHeaven, TopMax, Root Juice, Algamic and SuperThrive when I was done with my testing.

 

[Greenlife1]

Glad you got all the down an dirty figured out. I have never used the bio haven..looking at my notes. Just used grow, bloom, topmax, algamic.
Why use topmax now??

 

[The_Core]

Glad you got all the down an dirty figured out. I have never used the bio haven..looking at my notes. Just used grow, bloom, topmax, algamic.
Why use topmax now??

Well I was just curious to see the EC values of each one of those. I just watered my plant a day or so ago and didnt want to waste the nutes so I just foliar sprayed with them. Normally TOPMAX is for flower only right?

Its funny with BioBizz and Organics. A full feeding of what they recommend for week 4 would have an EC of around 2.0-2.5 I am guessing. I am still trying to unlock the mystery of BioBizz. More to the point, How can BioBizz Feeding Schedule come out to such high PPMs or EC but have no burn. And my conclusion thus far is that their Boosters and stimulants jack EC but don't have macros. I think it really only matters to mix in biogrow, biobloom, fish mix and measure the EC of that. The rest is just frosting on the cake.

 

[The_Core]

Here we go 28 days of Veg and looks like 2 weeks. Its frustrating.

 

[The_Core]