furrywall11
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I find using a heat gun around butane to be sketchy at best. I'm using 4 therapeutic heating pads from kmart to heat my 4x72" column.
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Terpenation at Terpene Station
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rb extractors
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4x72? you must be doing runs for edible companies
PenZenMaster
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The only thing I noticed running this heat tape is that the column didn't ice up. I am thinking if not for the thermostat the heat tape would make more of a difference. Also this heat tape uses 27 watts which should have been a dead giveaway of its efficacy.
No appreciable difference in recovery time, bah.
That's good info to have. Also, I found and replied to your message. Your visitor messages are disabled so there is no way to reach you privately.
Excuse me if I comment off subject here.
I do agree that if a plant has more nutrients it will be bigger and produce more, but is that really the goal? My goal is to produce herb that is the best tasting and most potent resin, and to be honest plants with excess nutrients are not the best tasting.
While growing the same clone I find that the best tasting plants are those that run out of nutrients 3/4 of the way through flowering, and begin to yellow. I have zero doubt about this, although I do grow organically/bio-dynamically in the ground, I am sure that flushed hydro plants are superior in quality if not quantity.
Think about it, to produce the finest wine grapes do growers pour nitrogen on their vines? Why not? Because although you will get more wine it is not as good as plants basically unfertilized as well as being heavily pruned to yield less but superior grapes. Cannabis is the same. I understand that many growers want quantity over quality, but I am not one of them.
-SamS
I do agree that if a plant has more nutrients it will be bigger and produce more, but is that really the goal? My goal is to produce herb that is the best tasting and most potent resin, and to be honest plants with excess nutrients are not the best tasting.
While growing the same clone I find that the best tasting plants are those that run out of nutrients 3/4 of the way through flowering, and begin to yellow. I have zero doubt about this, although I do grow organically/bio-dynamically in the ground, I am sure that flushed hydro plants are superior in quality if not quantity.
Think about it, to produce the finest wine grapes do growers pour nitrogen on their vines? Why not? Because although you will get more wine it is not as good as plants basically unfertilized as well as being heavily pruned to yield less but superior grapes. Cannabis is the same. I understand that many growers want quantity over quality, but I am not one of them.
-SamS
In your experience does a plant that ran out of nutrients towards the end of its life also yield more resin?
Also do you have any theories as to what makes a nutrient starved cannabis plant have superior taste?
furrywall11
Member
I heard on a Joe Rogan interview with Maynard James Keenan that abusing grape vines produces a better wine. With Cannabis I've heard ppl talk about resins being a defense mechanism so withholding nutrients produces more resin. Kind of makes sense... Also, well fed plants are more robust which would potentially create more plant matter and by virtue of that higher cannabinoid percentages..
Not so sure about that, I would need to analyze the same clone running out of nutrients and not to find out if the THC % is higher or just better smelling and tasting.
I think a well fed plant has more nitrogen, which is good for growth and not good for taste. I have not proved this it just seems common sense. I have seen hydro give more herb and THC in total, but I like the taste of plants that are organically grown in soil and run out of nutrients about 3/4 of the way through flowering.
-SamS
I think a well fed plant has more nitrogen, which is good for growth and not good for taste. I have not proved this it just seems common sense. I have seen hydro give more herb and THC in total, but I like the taste of plants that are organically grown in soil and run out of nutrients about 3/4 of the way through flowering.
-SamS
We cut about 30 minutes off the recovery time of the Mk V, by adding silicone heat mats and taking the columns up to 150F after the final dump. We are using a 2.5W/sq in mat from Briskheat and controlling it with a Mypin temperature controller and Type K thermocouple. It takes about three minutes to raise the temperature of an empty column to 150F and 14 minutes to bring one 4" X 24" column full of saturated plant material up to 150F under vacuum.
We tried pipe wrap heat tape, but they are relatively low wattage, so the effects were minimal. They are meant to keep pipes from freezing, not heat them up.
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This has been proven time and time again in my small circle of growers! Fine line between quality and quantity! Yellow is the new green{maximum senescence}. A plant that gets to yellow out super hard{inside leaves yellow too not just fans} is much much nicer then smoking a green plant IMO.
How is the bag appeal and smell of plants that have been allowed to "yellow out"?
icdog
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I tried the heat tape and didn't notice any time savings. The tape melted the ice on the column but not much else.
Does anyone have an idea how much butane is in the column once it is dumped? I'm wondering if the time it takes for the column to dethaw and recover that butane is it worth waiting.
Would it be a big butane or oil loss to close the valves and recover just the butane in the collection pot?
Does anyone have an idea how much butane is in the column once it is dumped? I'm wondering if the time it takes for the column to dethaw and recover that butane is it worth waiting.
Would it be a big butane or oil loss to close the valves and recover just the butane in the collection pot?
rb extractors
Member
a kit? as in a IIIa to build? if so, hit me up as I over them. I'd avoid specialized for a plethora of reasons
Not sure how much butane is soaked into the material, but the volume of the column divided by 288 will tell you how much liquid is present in just the vapors.
Heat tape is intended to keep pipes above freezing, not heat them rapidly to 150/250F. The pipe wraps barely get warm to the touch, while the heat mats will heat over 400F if you let them.
I just received the Briskheat mat for the Mk IV and am wiring up the controls. I'll take pictures and post, but it knocked a solid 30 minutes off the Mk V recovery time.
LOL, didn't learn much from the first banning?
uber smell. {bag appeal, never is a issue}. much more then a plant i have feed till the end, resin/terps more so seems, but i have no gcms to verify would love to some day. Just bio-assay and 20 years of growing experience/life, I defiantly think there is a measure, between a plant that has excess ferts{npk etc} and one that yellow s hard in terms of the plant focus, resin's vrs growth, experiments prove further study is merited.
