Micro Grow Plan

DogDad · Jan 4, 2014

I've never grown Cannabis before but recently spent some time putting together things I think I will need.

My plan is to plant 6 seeds in Hempy bucket (a trough actually), and keep them in a small cabinet 30"x30"x20 deep. Cull out the males and hopefully grow 3-6 at a time.

My growing plan is 16,800 lumen for 30 days at 18/6 then flip to 12/12. I'm planning on CFLs, with Y adapter and in reflectors, and clamp on lights.

Below is my list of items I think I need and their costs. Please comment if you have better suggestions or if I have missed something. If you think you can save me some money, I'd love to hear that too.

blynx · Jan 4, 2014

Do you have a picture of your cab?

Why are you going with so many 42w bulbs? That's going to generate a lot of heat in such a small area.

The fan you listed is a booster fan for ducting. It might be able to move the heat from all those 42w bulbs out of the cab and run the scrubber, but i doubt it, at least not in the long run. I've used those fans and they wear out quick and aren't really that strong.

Any reason you are going straight to coco for your first time growing?

Simple soil mix with nutes in it where you just mostly have to water with water and not feed them bottled nutes, might be easier for a first try.

kittybags · Jan 4, 2014

Damn $400 is a lot more than I would spend. (maybe just cause I'm cheap) Definitely reconsider your fan choice as mentioned earlier as well as considering making your own carbon scrubber.

You're going to be working with ~4 square feet (assuming the bottom of your cab is 30x20) and with 16,800 lumens that comes to about 4000 lumens/sqft. To be honest, I think you'd be better off with a 150W-250W HID.

DogDad · Jan 4, 2014

blynx said:
Do you have a picture of your cab?

Why are you going with so many 42w bulbs? That's going to generate a lot of heat in such a small area.

The fan you listed is a booster fan for ducting. It might be able to move the heat from all those 42w bulbs out of the cab and run the scrubber, but i doubt it, at least not in the long run. I've used those fans and they wear out quick and aren't really that strong.

Any reason you are going straight to coco for your first time growing?

Simple soil mix with nutes in it where you just mostly have to water with water and not feed them bottled nutes, might be easier for a first try.

Hi Blynx,

I'm looking at PL-l's now as a result of another question I posted.

I don't have my cabinet yet. I was thinking about ordering everything in and see how much room I might need. I put that size on there as something that would likely fit where I want it to fit in my house. I might have to build it.

Coco seemed like an extra good idea after I saw the Hempy Bucket thread. I like the idea that Coco can't be over-watered and, with the Hempy bucket, I don't have to water everyday if I forget.

I "was" planning on a DWC, until I found Coco. I like the idea even better combining bubbleponics with the Hempy Bucket along with recycle, drip system.

This pump, this manifold and these Halos to take it from the runoff from the hempy bucket and feed it back on top. I was thinking I could still use the airstones.

Water Pump: $26 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/121151879097?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Halos: 6 x $4 - http://www.garden-galaxy.com/Pages/Halo.htm

Manifold: $13 - http://www.stealthhydroponics.com/product.php?xProd=128&xSec=28

Airstones: $10 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-Air-Ston...192?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a85c116d8

Air Pump: http://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-AAPA15L-6-Watt-15-LPM-Outlets/dp/B002JPEVMC

I've grown outdoor veggie gardens in dirt with great success before, just not cannabis. Dirt would be easier, but easy it not always fun.

I'm probably letting my imagination get the better of my ability here but I didn't know Hydro from dirt a week ago and clearly have much to learn.

blynx · Jan 4, 2014

I'd find/build a cab first, then figure out what you need to make that cab work. The cab is usually the starting point, else you're gonna buy a bunch of stuff and find that you need a tent or a room lol.

DogDad · Jan 4, 2014

kittybags said:
Damn $400 is a lot more than I would spend. (maybe just cause I'm cheap) Definitely reconsider your fan choice as mentioned earlier as well as considering making your own carbon scrubber.

You're going to be working with ~4 square feet (assuming the bottom of your cab is 30x20) and with 16,800 lumens that comes to about 4000 lumens/sqft. To be honest, I think you'd be better off with a 150W-250W HID.

I'm cheap too but unless I spend enough to get what I need I won't have any success and evertyhing I buoght will be wasted money. As far as the scrubber fan goes. When it comes to being arrested, now cost is too large.

The fan is an interesting setup where it's not vented out for cooling. This setup is used just for odor control and stays inside the cabinet.

If he has a room full of sticky weed, and he uses a 6", a 4" should be plenty for me for my little box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z83YvAeWnE

DogDad · Jan 4, 2014

kittybags said:
Damn $400 is a lot more than I would spend. (maybe just cause I'm cheap) Definitely reconsider your fan choice as mentioned earlier as well as considering making your own carbon scrubber.

You're going to be working with ~4 square feet (assuming the bottom of your cab is 30x20) and with 16,800 lumens that comes to about 4000 lumens/sqft. To be honest, I think you'd be better off with a 150W-250W HID.

I'm cheap too but unless I spend enough to get what I need I won't have any success and everything I bought will be wasted money. As far as the scrubber fan goes. When it comes to being arrested, now cost is too large.

The fan is an interesting setup where it's not vented out for cooling. This setup is used just for odor control and stays inside the cabinet.

If he has a room full of sticky weed, and he uses a 6", a 4" should be plenty for me for my little box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z83YvAeWnE

fukndenny · Jan 4, 2014

Are you stuck on the cab idea? If not I would look into a lighthouse hydro grow tent, it's what they call the "clone" tent, but it would work fantastic for a small grow. Just something to consider, easy setup and easy tear down in case of an emergency. Not sure what your situation is, but it's worth a look. Me personally I think cabs are great for permanent spaces, a house that you own, etc. I am a renter at the moment so tents do me good when I need to setup and tear down.

I think they are $70-80 on amazon. They are discontinued but still available until they are sold. I'll probably end up getting one just for future purposes.

http://www.amazon.com/Lighthouse-Hydro-Hydroponics-Grow-36-Inch/dp/B00725X7I8

I would also consider a 150w over the CFL's, you can get one for around $80. You could also step up to a 250w for around $120.

Just some things to look into. I think most of us would change a lot about our first grows, lots of excessive spending and over-complicating the setup.

DogDad · Jan 5, 2014

fukndenny said:
Are you stuck on the cab idea? If not I would look into a lighthouse hydro grow tent, it's what they call the "clone" tent, but it would work fantastic for a small grow. Just something to consider, easy setup and easy tear down in case of an emergency. Not sure what your situation is, but it's worth a look. Me personally I think cabs are great for permanent spaces, a house that you own, etc. I am a renter at the moment so tents do me good when I need to setup and tear down.

I think they are $70-80 on amazon. They are discontinued but still available until they are sold. I'll probably end up getting one just for future purposes.

http://www.amazon.com/Lighthouse-Hydro-Hydroponics-Grow-36-Inch/dp/B00725X7I8

I would also consider a 150w over the CFL's, you can get one for around $80. You could also step up to a 250w for around $120.

Just some things to look into. I think most of us would change a lot about our first grows, lots of excessive spending and over-complicating the setup.

Over complicated and excessive spending are two things I want to avoid. What things on that list can I do without?

That tent makes a lot of sense. What lights are 150w and worth getting for $80?

fukndenny · Jan 5, 2014

DogDad said:
Over complicated and excessive spending are two things I want to avoid. What things on that list can I do without?

That tent makes a lot of sense. What lights are 150w and worth getting for $80?

http://htgsupply.com/Product-HTGSupply-150w-High-Pressure-Sodium-Grow-Light

These lights work very well.

Then you could get rid of this stuff:

16,800 lumens ( 6 X 42w bulbs @ 2800 lumens each)

TCP Brand - 4 x 42 watt 6500k 2800 Lumen - $12.95 http://www.lightbulbsurplus.com/inde...AKA#googlebase

TCP Brand - 4 x 42 watt 2700k 2800 Lumen - $11.85 http://www.lightbulbsurplus.com/inde...oducts_id=1283

3 Y connectors $10
3 Extensions $10
3 x Reflectors @ $14.00 = $45.00 - http://www.thatpetplace.com/deluxe-p...&category=3316

Fan/Bucket/ $10 for ONA http://www.ebay.com/itm/ONA-Fresh-Li...item3a81d78196 -- not necessary with proper filter. IMO.

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4" scrubber fan $23.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/181144406542...84.m1438.l2649

4" filter : $44.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-6-8-10-Inc...item232aa9b1d5

2 x PC case fans $20.00 - what are these for?

About these..... I would go with a reliable fan and filter combo, this is the most important part of your grow, you need to make sure it works. A good combo would be a S&P TD100 or a 4" inline blower fan with a 4"x 8" Phresh Filter, depending on what fan you go with it would probably cost around $120-$160 for the combo.

Do not go "cheap" on your fan or filter.

webecat · Jan 5, 2014

That would be perfect Denny! If you can make the other 6" in height work? Or measure out a cab and go to HD or Lowes and have them cut the waffer board and buy hardware for it. you may want to try this fan that"s really quiet:

http://www.amazon.com/Soler-Palau-T...=1388897002&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=td100+fan

And this scrubber:

http://www.amazon.com/Phresh-Filter...&qid=1388897202&sr=1-1&keywords=phresh+filter

And this nutrient that's super easy (see the KISS thread).

http://www.amazon.com/2-2-lbs-Stimu...UTF8&qid=1388897506&sr=1-1&keywords=maxibloom

And possibly this light:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150-watt-So...6261591?pt=US_Hydroponics&hash=item25627eb757 or more 23watt CFL's that would be way cheaper. (4 23w CFL's are 6 bucks a 4 pack at Costco) Blynx is proof of that 23w CFL's can kick ass! Just my 2 cents. Good luck with the grow.

DogDad · Jan 5, 2014

fukndenny said:
http://htgsupply.com/Product-HTGSupply-150w-High-Pressure-Sodium-Grow-Light

These lights work very well.

Do not go "cheap" on your fan or filter.

Yesterday read that PL-L thread. Seemed like a much better idea to me than CFL. How would the 150 compare to 4 x 55w PL-Ls?

I agree on the filter. THE most important part of this build.

The Pc fans were for moving air inside and out of the cab.

fukndenny · Jan 5, 2014

DogDad said:
Yesterday read that PL-L thread. Seemed like a much better idea to me than CFL. How would the 150 compare to 4 x 55w PL-Ls?

I agree on the filter. THE most important part of this build.

The Pc fans were for moving air inside and out of the cab.

I don't know how it will compare to PL-L's, I would go with HPS though. That's just me, I wouldn't waste my time with the PL-L's and you'll need ballasts and a way to mount them etc. I would get the HPS and keep it simple.

The PC fans wont be necessary if you've got a passive intake, an inline fan/filter, and a clip-on fan like you have on your list. You can use 2 4" pieces of ducting at the bottom ports of that tent I showed you and create a passive intake. Your inline fan will be pulling through the filter and exhausting out the top of the tent, and the clip on fan can be mounted wherever you need it to move some air around the plants.

DogDad · Jan 5, 2014

fukndenny said:
I don't know how it will compare to PL-L's, I would go with HPS though. That's just me, I wouldn't waste my time with the PL-L's and you'll need ballasts and a way to mount them etc. I would get the HPS and keep it simple.

The PC fans wont be necessary if you've got a passive intake, an inline fan/filter, and a clip-on fan like you have on your list. You can use 2 4" pieces of ducting at the bottom ports of that tent I showed you and create a passive intake. Your inline fan will be pulling through the filter and exhausting out the top of the tent, and the clip on fan can be mounted wherever you need it to move some air around the plants.

I have been reading up on the HTC 150w. Nobody hates it.

Then I ran across this thing. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...akeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

That tent and the 150w you suggested, along with the filter make up a very nice system. Small and very capable of producing good results. Simple, functional, designed to do exactly what it claims to do and then does it.

algreenery · Jan 5, 2014

fukndenny said:
I don't know how it will compare to PL-L's, I would go with HPS though. That's just me, I wouldn't waste my time with the PL-L's and you'll need ballasts and a way to mount them etc. I would get the HPS and keep it simple.

I dont see how a Pl-l system could be any harder to plug and play then a HPS system.
But go with HPS if your degrees dont disagree!

DogDad · Jan 5, 2014

algreenery said:
I dont see how a Pl-l system could be any harder to plug and play then a HPS system.
But go with HPS if your degrees dont disagree!

Funny you would say that, I was thinking the same thing.

I just spent about a day reading damn near every page in the massive PL-L thread, then this morning I spent most of the morning reading all 62 pages of the Compact SOG with CFL, post.

This has me rethinking everything.

Actually, when I started all this I wondered if my vegetable garden days would pay off in this, and one method I learned back then was a method called French Intensive Gardening.

FIG follows if a plant needs 6" in between each other, it doesn't have to be 6" in a straight line. You would plant seeds 6" in a diamond shaped pattern giving you 6 seeds in 6 " but on different corners of the Diamond. I made templates for my crop and grew a shitload of food in very little space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_intensive_gardening

My veggies looked like this at one time using this same method. I had raised beds just like this guy. http://www.alan-chadwick.org/html pages/techniques/garden_plants/veg_photos.html

What I didn't know is if it worked for cannibis and when I read that Compact SOG post, it confirmed to me, that FIG would work just fine. Gee...this is a game changer.

I'm just supplying me here and a give away a few buds to friends.

I don't need that tent, 150w big light, I can grow more than I need in a much smaller area.

tleaf jr. · Jan 5, 2014

good read my friend can wait till you get things up and running

justanotherbozo · Jan 5, 2014

...high man, it's good to see you so focused and excited about your grow, unfortunately, this can lead you to make hasty decisions that you will regret later, as an example, the inline exhaust fan you have chosen isn't a proper exhaust fan but only a booster fan meant to be used in long ventilation runs and not as a primary extraction source.

...honestly, if you have the space AND stealth isn't an issue so much that you can use a tent then i would suggest you go with a 4ft x 4ft tent for flowering and that little tent listed above you can get after your first harvest for cloning and vegging. ...you're gonna outgrow your cabs way faster than you might imagine.

...while building a cab to house your op can be fun and very satisfying it can also be very challenging and frustrating and ultimately kinda crappy, depending on your skills of course, ...with a tent you'll spend a little more up front but you'll have it up and running in an hour and that is a huge plus!

...as for lighting you need to understand that HPS will always beat fluorescent lights in intensity, watt for watt fluoro's just don't have the same POWER so they don't penetrate the canopy worth a damn so to use fluoro's successfully you need to grow short plants.

...you're gonna find that coco hempy's grow FAST too bro so they very quickly outgrow small cabs.

...if you look through my older threads you'll see i've already done what you are just setting out to do and i can tell you from experience that you will soon wish you had spent that money on equipment for a larger op.

...here is a shot of my first budbox where i used 2x 150HPS in a DIY cooltube, in the beginning everything was DIY for me because i live on a small fixed income that wouldn't allow proper equipment.

...the outside.

...and the inside where you can see the two 150's.

...the outside of my motherbox.

...and the inside.

...

justanotherbozo · Jan 5, 2014

...and here is my clone/seed start cab.

...and here is a shot of my current flowering room which is a 4 x 4 closet rather than a tent, this actually allowed me to use my tent for vegging now, lol.

...here i'm doing some re-vegging but you get the idea.

anyway, what i'm suggesting is that you slow down a little and spend some time thinking about your goals and what you are looking to accomplish, and give some thought to where you think you might want to be a year from today and whether or not a little cab is still gonna feed your head or will you then have to re-spend in order to upgrade, ...if that is even possible then it would be better to spend that money now.

peace, bozo

justanotherbozo · Jan 5, 2014

...DrBud's work is groundbreaking and you will learn much studying his threads, BUT, his way is VERY labor intensive AND you don't see his ENTIRE op, he is security conscious so only shares what he believes is safe.

...these are MY DrBud style girls, like i said, growing under fluoro's demands that you grow SHORT plants, you can grow MANY of them but they MUST be short.

...believe me bro, if you ever think you'll want to grow more than just personal headstash then i STRONGLY recommend you go with a tent.

peace, bozo

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