Seed depot closing

[Karmabitch]

If it has the Little card inside the pack with info, you're good.
In all honestly, he could have had RD stock in a separate place/kept somewhere different so it wasn't repo'd . Or in some other breeders bin. Plus a lot of seed bank take things in BULK that isn't packaged. But a few breeders have had things ordered that wasn't in stock. That was the RD issue. In the last few days we have received quite a few copies of orders from customers. You can't sell it, if it's NOT available. My opinion is the staff was so overwhelmed they just started filling orders with whatever they had. If they had the real deal , they sent it, if not they still filled the order.
RD is not taking any chances .. Any RD purchases between May1st and Dec.25 will be replaced.

I have a question about the faked seed situation.... Was he also replicating original packaging of these seeds? For example, he sent me some Bodhi seeds for one of their screw ups in the past. Was he making fake gold labels for example? So... technically could all of my Bodhi I got from there be suspect? I think Bodhi and Classic seeds were the only things I got from there that were't completely sealed.

Did the RD fakes come with the cardstock and things that the legit ones do?

 

[Karmabitch]

Be careful...THEY STILL have to be produced in a legal dispensary with a manifest. They are checking where the centers get what they are selling.

Greetings Bruddah BOG,

I've tried emailing you, but I may not have the proper email. I'm in desperate need of seeds after my partner (soon to be ex partner) cleaned out my space without letting me know and carelessly threw away my $3,000+ seed bank in the process. I'm in colorful Colorado where they just and the first day of legal, retail sales yesterday (there were 4-5 hour waits at dispensaries in Denver and lines down the street in my tiny town of 2,300 people all day long!!!) Hallelujah!!!! So, the legality of having cannabis seeds is no issue.

*email addy removed by admin*

Much love, thanks and blessings to one and all!

 

[Skip]

How does a person with this kind of a character make it so far into the canna business? Are things really that desperate that the only people that can "make it" are crooks and thieves like JB? How was this one guy able to fuck so many people over? Did he just pop up into the scene one day and gain everyone's trust, or has he been working with people for many years? If it's the latter then why is all of this just now starting? Nothing about this is making any sense to me, and it seems this is a recurring theme in the cannabusiness industry, some supposedly long trusted person just turning into a complete POS at the drop of a hat and nobody ever sees it coming.

I will attempt to answer those questions, but I, like anyone else, only know part of the story first hand. (please correct any inaccuracies)

A few years ago (3 I think), Gypsy met JB in a bar in the PI. I guess JB impressed Gypsy with some computer/business knowledge. As far as we know, he had little to do with cannabiz before that (wasn't even a pot smoker!). So Gypsy takes a huge leap of faith and decides to let this guy manage his seed biz back in the UK.

I guess things went fine for awhile, during which time JB learns the backend of the seed biz. Then JB must've been scheming (like another rat before him) to take over Gypsy biz. He tries to get all the staff fired, including Clarence. When that fails, Gypsy is finally convinced that JB is trying to take over, he has to can JB.

Now that whole scene was apparently very embarrassing to Gypsy, as he had hired and stood by JB in the face of the staff protests. But nobody could foresee what JB would do next.

Anybody can go setup a seedbank and forum website, but to succeed you need some credibility. So JB was able to leverage whatever credibility he gained from running Gypsy's sites to get vendors over to his new shop (blackmail seems to have helped too).

Then once he had his own shop and website up and growing, he could use THAT cred to impress other impressionable people in the industry. Hey, that's what people do in the cannabiz to get more biz. It's not abnormal.

What helps a con-man like JB a lot, is having others be your touts, esp. if they already have some credibility in the canna community. So ppl like hippie420 become his pawns hoping to cash in somehow on the gravy train.

What should be obvious to any "professional" person is that there are few true professionals involved in the cannabiz. It's nearly impossible to develop a completely biz relationship with someone without getting involved in their personal dramas.

Much of that is due to the outlaw nature of a lot of the biz. In those parts of the cannabiz that are legal, like grow shops, nutrient companies, etc, you see much more professionalism.

And that is what is going to turn this industry upside down!

The professional business people are taking over now. In places like Colorado and Washington state, investors are piling money on entrepreneurs who have real biz cred and experience. They are going to revolutionize the biz in ways we can't see yet.

By the time most of the US goes legal, most of the US cannabiz will already be in the hands of American companies. And currently the US is still the biggest market for cannabiz, and it's going to explode further.

Have you got your US play ready yet?

 

[lost in a sea]

yeah we are proving once again that we need regulation and control of this plant by the state and corporations to stop all the drama bullshit.. all it will be replaced with is millionaires suing each other over intellectual property, which is depressing, especially since the courts are corrupt already..

In our age it's all about the money and greed still and that stands at opposite to what cannabis is here for (imo), either we evolve or cannabis will devolve and join the dystopia.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Yeah, right when coke and Pepsi become best buds, Judaism and Islam merge to become one religion, based on a shared love of bacon, and when pigs start to fly(police helicopters no not count)

What do you call a cop in a Helicopter ?

A pork chop....



That's all...

 

[audiohi]

hopefully this bullshit will help the seed biz come together

maybe a standard can now be set for packaging, like
1. all packs tamper proof
2. lot numbers or batch numbers
3. dates they were produced

something has to change for the creditability to be there
as it stands now the new phrase is going to be... "hey bro are those beans real?"

I agree! I like tamper evident packaging so much more! Some breeders definitely see the value in it

 

[Scottish Research]

JB was having problems way before he shut his place; their was plenty of signs that he was short of cash. A persons true character comes forward whenever money is involved...

His problems as a flawed human required him to steal money and not honor his debts.

To understands ones actions, and behaviors, we need to know their motivation. This is a key concept for people to understand. Always, especially in business.

R.Fortune

 

[BushyOldGrower]

The Bay and the Boo don't cheat you. I have never seen any evidence that you need to worry about getting what you expect from them.

Clarence has always showed impeccable honesty with everyone as far as I know.

I can assure you that seeds bought here are not frauds. Bog

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

The professional business people are taking over now. In places like Colorado and Washington state, investors are piling money on entrepreneurs who have real biz cred and experience. They are going to revolutionize the biz in ways we can't see yet.

By the time most of the US goes legal, most of the US cannabiz will already be in the hands of American companies. And currently the US is still the biggest market for cannabiz, and it's going to explode further.

Have you got your US play ready yet?

Yes.

Step one. dont let random people I meet in bars run my shit.

 

[Brot]

If it has the Little card inside the pack with info, you're good.
In all honestly, he could have had RD stock in a separate place/kept somewhere different so it wasn't repo'd . Or in some other breeders bin. Plus a lot of seed bank take things in BULK that isn't packaged. But a few breeders have had things ordered that wasn't in stock. That was the RD issue. In the last few days we have received quite a few copies of orders from customers. You can't sell it, if it's NOT available. My opinion is the staff was so overwhelmed they just started filling orders with whatever they had. If they had the real deal , they sent it, if not they still filled the order.
RD is not taking any chances .. Any RD purchases between May1st and Dec.25 will be replaced.

Mrs.Dankness, I have three packs, all have original packaging, but two packs the vile was retaped to the box. And the third was in a fold in halve card with a with ziplock. The staple has been pulled out and re stapled . WTF ?

 

[Brot]

If you knew

If you knew

I will attempt to answer those questions, but I, like anyone else, only know part of the story first hand. (please correct any inaccuracies)

A few years ago (3 I think), Gypsy met JB in a bar in the PI. I guess JB impressed Gypsy with some computer/business knowledge. As far as we know, he had little to do with cannabiz before that (wasn't even a pot smoker!). So Gypsy takes a huge leap of faith and decides to let this guy manage his seed biz back in the UK.

I guess things went fine for awhile, during which time JB learns the backend of the seed biz. Then JB must've been scheming (like another rat before him) to take over Gypsy biz. He tries to get all the staff fired, including Clarence. When that fails, Gypsy is finally convinced that JB is trying to take over, he has to can JB.

Now that whole scene was apparently very embarrassing to Gypsy, as he had hired and stood by JB in the face of the staff protests. But nobody could foresee what JB would do next.

Anybody can go setup a seedbank and forum website, but to succeed you need some credibility. So JB was able to leverage whatever credibility he gained from running Gypsy's sites to get vendors over to his new shop (blackmail seems to have helped too).

Then once he had his own shop and website up and growing, he could use THAT cred to impress other impressionable people in the industry. Hey, that's what people do in the cannabiz to get more biz. It's not abnormal.

What helps a con-man like JB a lot, is having others be your touts, esp. if they already have some credibility in the canna community. So ppl like hippie420 become his pawns hoping to cash in somehow on the gravy train.

What should be obvious to any "professional" person is that there are few true professionals involved in the cannabiz. It's nearly impossible to develop a completely biz relationship with someone without getting involved in their personal dramas.

Much of that is due to the outlaw nature of a lot of the biz. In those parts of the cannabiz that are legal, like grow shops, nutrient companies, etc, you see much more professionalism.

And that is what is going to turn this industry upside down!

The professional business people are taking over now. In places like Colorado and Washington state, investors are piling money on entrepreneurs who have real biz cred and experience. They are going to revolutionize the biz in ways we can't see yet.

By the time most of the US goes legal, most of the US cannabiz will already be in the hands of American companies. And currently the US is still the biggest market for cannabiz, and it's going to explode further.

Have you got your US play ready yet?

Skip, if this info was common knowledge, why was this not shared with the community. I do not understand the fact that this was known, but was let to play out. Seem to me(just my 2c) that your as much to fault as anyone if you knew he was shady. His whole site was built on trust.
Without the trust bond, none of this would have happened.

And yes I'm a newwbee HERE. Not elseware .......

 

[Bxgrower81]

I made one purchase over there back in May for 3 packs of Uber Dawg from piesces because of the CC option, I'm wondering if these could be fake because they were just in a Baggie with a sticker on it, or were the issues mainly with RD or BOG as far as being fakes

 

[steampick]

This thread has become the "Truth and Reconciliation" thread for former members of TSD. Similar to what Nelson Mandela setup in SA to deal with the legacy of apartheid.

So former members & mods of TSD can tell the truth here and accept responsibility for their actions.

I don't know man, the Truth & Reconcilliation set-up in SA saw the victims get to confront the people who did them wrong. Only one person did anybody wrong here (mabye two if you count Hippie 420) and I don't see him around. Certainly the moderators over there did nothing wrong.

TSD would have had no success at all if not for the members of the Seed Collectors Thread at the other site all bugging out to join the SCT (Seed Collectors Thread) at TSD. Once that happened, TSD got a ton of traffic, and I mean a ton, and then things took off. All of it probably even took JB by surprise.

It was rare to hear a bad word about JB on TSD. The one phrase that got bounced around a lot was "I have faith that JB will make it right." It was blind faith as it turned out. Why everybody fully supported the dude isn't really clear. He was just another internet handle to most of us.

 

[CrashPad]

I don't know man, the Truth & Reconcilliation set-up in SA saw the victims get to confront the people who did them wrong. Only one person did anybody wrong here (mabye two if you count Hippie 420) and I don't see him around. Certainly the moderators over there did nothing wrong.

TSD would have had no success at all if not for the members of the Seed Collectors Thread at the other site all bugging out to join the SCT (Seed Collectors Thread) at TSD. Once that happened, TSD got a ton of traffic, and I mean a ton, and then things took off. All of it probably even took JB by surprise.

It was rare to hear a bad word about JB on TSD. The one phrase that got bounced around a lot was "I have faith that JB will make it right." It was blind faith as it turned out. Why everybody fully supported the dude isn't really clear. He was just another internet handle to most of us.

Ahhhhh the seed collectors thread. About 10-15 dudes talking up every new breeder like its was a moon landing.

J.B. runs riu. He knew the traffic & affect these bullshit artist played. They scammed everyone. Read thru some of those seed collect post, the same cats still out herding the sheep NOW, beware.

 

[bent]

The Bay and the Boo don't cheat you. I have never seen any evidence that you need to worry about getting what you expect from them.

Clarence has always showed impeccable honesty with everyone as far as I know.

I can assure you that seeds bought here are not frauds. Bog

Rare Dankness has stated they will replace any pack bought between 5/1 and 12/25. Will you do the same?

 

[Hammerhead]

I always wondered what happen to the 450 seeds I sent him in bulk last year that he said never got. He blamed it on the postal system. There are a few privet breeders this also happened to. If anyone paid for one of my Auction's with some kind of proff and did not receive there beans I will make arrangements some how to get you what you paid for. The site went down right in the middle of my auctions so I don't think anyone paid or received any. If you where part of the seed traders group those are all good. those where not handled by TSD...

 

[steampick]

About 10-15 dudes talking up every new breeder like its was a moon landing.

J.B. runs riu. He knew the traffic & affect these bullshit artist played. They scammed everyone.

There's some truth in what you say, but also a lot of hyperbole, which is the internet in a nutshell I guess. Yes, the SCT posters got excited about new strains, but that's why they started that thread. Mostly, the dudes there talked straight about what they bought, and posted their results. They were generally experienced growers, and they rarely talked about anything as if it were a "moon landing." If it hermied, it was reported. If they were burned, they said so. I didn't see them as scammers.

I miss that thread, and I rarely posted in it.

 

[ladera]

@racerboy
from memory there was thread about a member at TSD called RACERX or something similar...
this RACERX was approached by Matt Riot on behalf of some other dude
who claimed to be the original RACERX on other forums. The original RACERX
wanted to join the TSD forum as RACERX and a deal was struck for some RIOT
SEEDS that the TSD RACERX would relinquish that username to RIOTS mate..
so the guy that relinquished then created another RACER???? username.

 

[Skip]

Skip, if this info was common knowledge, why was this not shared with the community. I do not understand the fact that this was known, but was let to play out. Seem to me(just my 2c) that your as much to fault as anyone if you knew he was shady. His whole site was built on trust.
Without the trust bond, none of this would have happened.

And yes I'm a newwbee HERE. Not elseware .......

What is there about my first line in my post that you don't understand?

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I, like anyone else, only know part of the story first hand.....[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] nobody could foresee what JB would do next. [/FONT] [/FONT]

You want to to know why I didn't condemn someone whom I've never met, never had any personal interaction with in a public forum?

I wasn't around when any of this went down between Gypsy and JB.

And since nobody knew the whole story, what was to tell?

I suppose substituting the words "Seed Depot" with the words "thieving con-man's site" wasn't a sufficient warning? Geez. And people still went over...

Again, go ahead and try to shift blame to icmag for not warning people who fled this site, many deleting their accounts. If you're not here, you're never gonna know what warnings were given out. ICMag staff have no responsibility for what goes on elsewhere on the net, and its ridiculous to even imply we do.

And why are you singling ME out, in this instance where there appear to be dozens of people who knew him far better, had many interactions with him, got screwed by him, and STILL won't come and explain how they were duped... humm

I'll tell you why they won't come out and say anything. Now or later. Cause they're embarrassed. Just like Gypsy was. At least Gypsy admitted it.

Kudos to those who are coming forward and shedding light on the matter like Chimera even though they are hurtin' over this.

 

[aridbud]

Thank you, Skip.

"In those parts of the cannabiz that are legal, like grow shops, nutrient companies, etc, you see much more professionalism.

"And that is what is going to turn this industry upside down!

The professional business people are taking over now. In places like Colorado and Washington state, investors are piling money on entrepreneurs who have real biz cred and experience. They are going to revolutionize the biz in ways we can't see yet."


Regarding the above portion of Skip's well written answers/explanations.....

The only huge problem with Colorado is they will tax you steeply to get a piece of the pie. I guess that's not difficult if there's a lot of money poured through the spout. And the regulations, paperwork, etc. will be a major hindrance to many of small time breeders that have earned a reputation for being fair, having quality products.

If I remember correctly...... reading through the proposition/amendment....a seed is the same as a plant. That really does not make sense. Anyone in Colorado can grow 6 plants. So technically you can only have 6 seeds. What will deter a lot of folks is the taxes on such recreational products, edibles. The underground will still thrive being anonymous, and those growing have the anonymity by purchasing elsewhere. So until the amendments are amended, its a safe bet Colorado will keep stringent rules whereby disqualifying the small coops or breeders. Similar to Wal-Mart vs. Mom & Pop shops. There will be several heavy hitters as far as gear but a tight arm hold on the rest.

I've looked up the competition in Colorado and seeds are advertised at a hefty price, no doubt to counter State's examination of all parts of the business, licenses, conditions grown, the numerous municipal and state taxes paid and bureaucratic paper work...it has to be horridly daunting.

Flip side, Colorado regulations are supposed to keep shady dealings set apart from bona fide sales of the plant, seeds, etc. through bureaucracy. Time will tell if it's the appropriate model.

Granted, I could be mis-cued in the new Colorado cannaventure. Many prefer trying out different genetics that do not have the State to watch over/ supervise. I rather like finding genetics from all parts of the world. Same goes for coffee, chocolate....the spice of Life to try different things besides Folgers and Hershey....inferior to other products ( just my taste opinion), but ConAgra is a huge conglomerate, thus Hershey's and Folgers bow to them.

I'd like to sell in this state, but refrain at the moment due to the politics involved. Don't particularly like BIG BRO. watching.

So, stick with the reputable forums, ICMag, and its partners....the integrity is there and intact. Yes, mistakes have been made, hopefully lessons learned....no need to finger point, esp. to a person NOT directly involved

Karma will return to JB and crew. It's a small world to hide if loathsome.

Thank you Skip, for taking the time to explain the events leading up to the demise of TSD.