Seed depot closing

[Hash Zeppelin]

Driving to Colorado seems a tad more inconvenient to me than getting a money order

In all seriousness, that would be cool as hell if there was a physical seedbay like that.

well I imagine the shop could do the mailing and process the card orders. The thing is that the shops might not be willing to send the beans out of state because the feds are watching like hawks waiting for them to mess up. However they still might be able to help with the card processing part still.

My guess is they are just going to have to recruit a Colorado citizen. I do think that IC mag should work with retail shops there for local sales though. It would be beautiful to see an icmag retail shop.

 

[VerdantGreen]

how does another big UK based seed seller (***edit***) still retain its CC facilities?

i know even headshop type wholesalers in the UK have had trouble retaining their CC facilities so it makes me wonder how they manage to do it

VG

 

[Harry Gypsna]

it would be ten times easier as far as payments if you simply had one person set up in the US and one abroad that simply collects the money. once they have it in the few days it takes around the US, they can notify the bay the payment has been recieved and ship it out.

your worker can just make a monthly wire or deposit. no CC needed, and all american customers would be a lot quicker.

could do the same with europe. i know people would say the whole trust thing, but thats the point do it with someone that isnt an asshat.

Sounds like a great opportunity to bring another dodgy individual into the business to me. Nice idea, but dependent on someone being trustworthy.

It's been discussed, but looking at bitcoin again may be worthwhile. Bou/Bay could even make extra money (usually 10%) selling the btc on exchanges to turn it into "real" money. The issue is bank accounts for people to pay into.

 

[mack 10]

@ Verdant G, Good Q.
Ive heard they shut you down if they find out you are selling any Drug related stuff,ie seeds.
<<<<edit>>>> had the same prob. not sure how >>>edit<<< have slipped under the radar.
Good luck to em.

 

[VerdantGreen]

personally i would always use cash anyway rather than CC which is traceable.

not so sure about bitcoin, it's value swings by 50% in hours.

also it didnt do silk road any favors did it?

VG

 

[dank.frank]

I just don't understand - I mean, sure - look for market expansion - look to make more money - but why not do so by helping build up the institution that allowed you to get a start in the first place, as opposed to seeking growth from external sources??

How many people that are current seed vendors got their start because of an IC cup win or because IC provided a platform to be known and to get discussions started...and then the minute they got an iota of demand for their product on the Bay/Boo - took their business far and wide...rather than making people come to a safe / secure location to get their seeds...rather than helping build up the business that built them...

I honestly think the breeders are just as much at fault as JB - because their willingness to pursue a greater profit is what allowed JB to grow and spread his net to ensnare a wider customer base. Had the breeders not went flocking - the consumers wouldn't have either.

Had people remained loyal to the institution that had given them their start or given them an outlet for many years then there wouldn't have been so many trapped in the scam...

It's really that plain and simple.

I had countless offers to vend seeds at TSD - and I always declined, politely.

I think back to complaints of IC censoring other seed banks and editing posts - and people saying they were big boys and girls and didn't need anyone to look after their safety, etc. Now that the worst case scenario has happened - the people cry foul, you should have warned us...

I think ICm warned you every step of the way - you just didn't listen.



dank.Frank

 

[Harry Gypsna]

personally i would always use cash anyway rather than CC which is traceable.

not so sure about bitcoin, it's value swings by 50% in hours.

also it didnt do silk road any favors did it?

VG

SR's probems were nothing to do with btc. The numpty who started it made crucial opsec errors right back in the beginning, and then logged into the site every day from a library a few hundred yards from his home. If he'd been running a laptop with no battery, plugged in, with a killswitch, they wouldn't have shit. As it stands, they got him with his laptop turned on, and I doubt it's ever been powered own since.

The BTC value is fairly stable at the moment. recent rise and fall was caused by announcements in China, and the chinese jumping on BTC.

Cash in the mail is OK domestically, but I just would never do it interntionally. Too many opportunities for sticky fingers along the way.

What about Ucash.Moneypak...that sort of thing. Bought anon for cash in stores with a paypoint, and you open the coucher and gove the code to whoever you are sending the money to.

 

[bombadil.360]

I think back to complaints of IC censoring other seed banks and editing posts - and people saying they were big boys and girls and didn't need anyone to look after their safety, etc. Now that the worst case scenario has happened - the people cry foul, you should have warned us...

I think ICm warned you every step of the way - you just didn't listen.

qft

 

[Skip]

Wishing you all a Happier New Year!

We have been discussing an amnesty, but no decision has been made yet.

I see people are still confusing ICMag with the Bay and the Boo. ICM is not a seedbank. International Cannagraphic Magazine is what it is.

While all the feedback on the Bay and the boo is appreciated, that is not what we're discussing in this thread. Nor other seedbanks.

We're keeping this thread open to discuss the situation surrounding TSD so that people can be informed and learn from it.

No problem with discussing the state of the industry (seed vending) in general terms since it's undergoing such rapid change. As cannabis legalization spreads and new regulations come into effect in different areas, things will change. There will be new opportunities and old biz models may fade.

Can you imagine what things are like in Colorado today?

They just allowed legal recreational sales...and there are long lines in the cold snowy day.

What does that portend for the industry inside and outside Colorado?

Please don't respond here, just some things to think about on this New Year's day.... Have a good one! Smoke a Fatty!

 

[CrashPad]

J.B. is messing with riu (http) like he did with seed depot in its last days.

Do not visit unless its via proxy. Guess he does not like all the traffic research ripz. His past sins layed bear.

 

[fatburt]

i noticed 2-3 threads on tsd closing get deleted shortly after they were put up,....so i made one of my own...and what do you know?i got banned for spamming?
thats when i had a pretty good idea jb was afilliated with rui...

 

[stickshift]

J.B. is messing with riu (http) like he did with seed depot in its last days.

Do not visit unless its via proxy. Guess he does not like all the traffic research ripz. His past sins layed bear.

If Ripz is JB then surely someone here can prove it, as they have met him etc, the description from the thread you put up would make him 36 now wouldn't it? and if he was the fella who set up potpimp he is def something to do with *****zon isn't he? they used same IP and server and one seemed to start when the other went etc... so was Ripz a croat/canadian in south wales? others seem to say no.

 

[CrashPad]

Like i said. J.B has many websites. CZ/nettics started screwing breeders before seed depot so those places are just for damage control for now. I'm sure j.b is posting thru many alias names trying to tread water until a new site is built under a different name, but the catz out of the bag, sorry j.b.

Many, many breeders on those sites were fake, inhouse pollen chucks & the rest are blackmail now. Imagine you dealt with this scum bag over a period of time then he says i'll forward our dealing to the law/irs. Thats what has kept the lid on this for so long, blackmail.

 

[CrashPad]

Mr.c started nettics/cz on the same server as p.p. That is a fact.

The fact so many ignored this is mind boggling. An excuse was made on ripz, mr.c came to the rescue. Funny how the same thing played out eventually at cz/nettics. Always a death, always someone busted, crazy how people can't see the light.

 

[Skip]

Many, many breeders on those sites were fake, inhouse pollen chucks & the rest are blackmail now. Imagine you dealt with this scum bag over a period of time then he says i'll forward our dealing to the law/irs. Thats what has kept the lid on this for so long, blackmail.

It would seem obvious that JB would be just as culpable as anyone else.

Criminals don't usually go to the police.

Big bluff, imo.

And if just one vendor had made this public or tested him on this, it would've killed his biz even faster.

Nobody likes a snitch!

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Like i said. J.B has many websites. CZ/nettics started screwing breeders before seed depot so those places are just for damage control for now. I'm sure j.b is posting thru many alias names trying to tread water until a new site is built under a different name, but the catz out of the bag, sorry j.b.

Many, many breeders on those sites were fake, inhouse pollen chucks & the rest are blackmail now. Imagine you dealt with this scum bag over a period of time then he says i'll forward our dealing to the law/irs. Thats what has kept the lid on this for so long, blackmail.

this is true for all blackmailers in the black market........

it is only gonna work until he tries it against the wrong person, not everyone in this business is a hippy, or is in a country with a decent criminal justice system. A person should know better than to try to blackmail people in a black/grey market. There is literally nothing stopping a person he blackmails from doing whatever they want to him, and the only thing that limits their actions is their own personal moral limit. these blackmailers usually find themselves in bad situations like, tied to a chair in a dark basement with a car battery hooked up to their genitals. There should be no sympathy either. The blackmailer should know better than anyone that real morals are a rare thing on this planet, especially when money and threats become involved. IMO he is lucky to be alive still. He is lucky to be ripping off people that have self control.

 

[Bmac1]

tied to a chair in a dark basement with a car battery hooked up to their genitals.

 

[Cannavore]

Not sure if true

 

[Hammerhead]

that has not been confirmed. there are a few people waiting for Jorge to respond. The last info that we had was from MRS.D she said j.b told her that he quite 2 WEEKS ago. We don't know if this is true that's why we contacted Jorge..

 

[Cannavore]

Yeah I guess I read that too fast (and stoned) yesterday lol whoops