Soil or Hydroponics?

[med-man]

outdoor vs indoor

outdoor vs indoor

you are fualt tryna compare indoor with outdoor.

appleas and oranges

my last contratc was 3 diff 500 lighters. why was i chosen to convert them all to hydro?

why did they choose hydro over soil?

you have obviously never hauled a bail before lol

here some pics to walk my talk

once you have actually grown indoors hydro and soil then start comenting. this thread was concerning an indorr commercial licensed facitlity, not beaster field of whatever o.d. you market

when in rome chum

med-man

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Hey there Mate,

What do you mix into the soil, do you reuse your organics?

Do you add compost?

Peace

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Seems everyone wants to shoot down Hydro, because it takes plastics etc...

Your best organic soil will have to be produced with the soil you dig up in a remote location where you can guarantee there is no pollution, the last time I checked pollution precipitates from rain to the earth where Fox Farm and all the others gather it from, heavy metals and all.

Some are even made from compost bought from retailers who are contracted by cities to deal with recycled materials.

KFC chicken bones, all kinds of dirty stuff.

Water no doubt has a great deal of nasties in it, but the larger majority is removed by reverse osmosis.

So how do you filter your dirt?

Peace

 

[surfguitar]

I think there is a big difference between bagged soil using mostly bottled nutrients and being tossed each round versus a fully developed organic soil with a wide array of microbes that can in theory be no till recycled forever.

 

[Mate Dave]

Well in a hydro grow you can't mix/add anything organic except the worm juice made from all the waste plant matter which is or isn't organicly made.

With substrates you can amend or add to them each cycle with all the humus the worms make.


Feed some cannabis waste to rabbits, they can process the OM but the rabbit eating the cannabis wastes about 1/3 of the potential nutriment benefit to the soil as it passes through the animal.

The fact that an organic system requires no animal waste to succeed and that a pure veganic approach proves to be the best way to increase fertility and reduce P&D is of no surprise. If there was a better way to deliver nutriment in an environmentally friendly manner the facts would be on dedicated paper.

Organic practice isn't the same as 'organic'. The fact is that organic practice is so much better for all us earth dwellers!

All the waste that is composted on the planet and not land filled has played its role in the organic system and has not deteriorated the environment but instead benefited it, whatever comes from the ground will go back into it.

We don't filter dirt as it is clean and sterile and RO isn't organic, it is a terrible waste and dangerous to drink.

 

[Mate Dave]

you are fualt tryna compare indoor with outdoor.

appleas and oranges

my last contratc was 3 diff 500 lighters. why was i chosen to convert them all to hydro?

why did they choose hydro over soil?

you have obviously never hauled a bail before lol

here some pics to walk my talk

once you have actually grown indoors hydro and soil then start comenting. this thread was concerning an indorr commercial licensed facitlity, not beaster field of whatever o.d. you market

when in rome chum

med-man

organics is organics weather it is indoor or outdoor you argument is floored.

You cant divert the topic because you have no evidence or factual information that can't be rebuddle'd. I have 3 grows and the profit is better on the hydro isn't the answer Med-Man because that is the retarded way to look at it, do you not even see that?

You only did that because you know I have your balls in my right hand, try it again and I'll squeeze.


Shall I baby sit you, they chose no dirt because it was a grow for profit, which had a few workers that were unable to grow well in dirt using classic gardening techniques so they hired some cheap help, enter -Med-Man.


I have grown Hydro indoors. So shut up Dude you making yourself look a tit by your own hand like Tom Hill did, and you won't get away.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

I think there is a big difference between bagged soil using mostly bottled nutrients and being tossed each round versus a fully developed organic soil with a wide array of microbes that can in theory be no till recycled forever.

Very True,

If you go to a remote location and perform soil tests to see if there are some nasties in it you can certainly grow some live soil.
Don't be fooled though it takes a while to create some good soil, not Fox farm not anything like that it's got to be yours.

Yes you can go no till forever, but I am sure if you know what your talking about it is a lot I mean a lot of work, I have done it.

I use that soil for my veggies outside, I know it is imperfect but it isn't an issue.

what is an issue is someone poking me because I use Hydro, which in effect is the cleanest growing medium I have, I can filter it I can boil it I can add Beneficial's I can do whatever I want and it is measurable moment to moment.

It is good for me and a lot of others.

Peace

 

[med-man]

i dont consider mining 400 year old manitoban peat bogs as earth friendly.

not many reuse bails

and, you can use organic teas in hydro. dont it forever.

but like i have been saying this whole thread, i doubt you have grown indoors, let alon hydropincally in hydro culture

med-man

med-man

 

[Mate Dave]

i dont consider mining 400 year old manitoban peat bogs as earth friendly.

not many reuse bails

and, you can use organic teas in hydro. dont it forever.

but like i have been saying this whole thread, i doubt you have grown indoors, let alon hydropincally in hydro culture

med-man

med-man

Take your head out your 500 light ass and have a look at some of what others do Med Man because your not the be and end of all that is growing.

We can see from you pictures.

The fact you list all you trophy’s in you signature affirms the fact that you manhood is small and that you are not self-confident in the answers you able to give or the methods you use. You have only ever answered with pictures of grows or yourself collecting trophy’s, fuck Ajrian has a few more trophy’s than you.


Stop trying to belittle my statements with your pictures of grows for profit. If you are an organic grower you will understand where i am coming from.

What organic tea's do you feed and how are they made Med-man?

 

[med-man]

hey dave

i assure you 1500 lights is not pissing around. an av of 1.75 per.

the op never mentioned organic vs chem. he said soil vs hydro.

i am sure you are a very learned outdoor grower, i repespct that

i dont respect people who talk about things they have never tried or done or succeeded in

i have grown outdoor organically, indoor organically/chem and indoor hydro culture organic chem, why do you think i run my tables over everything else over 20 years? or recommend hydro to anyone indoors that is willing to moniter them?

start a thread in the outdoor section and share you patronizingly superior knowledge there

you have been way off topic this whole thread.

med-man

 

[Mate Dave]

i dont consider mining 400 year old manitoban peat bogs as earth friendly.

not many reuse bails

and, you can use organic teas in hydro. dont it forever.

but like i have been saying this whole thread, i doubt you have grown indoors, let alon hydropincally in hydro culture

med-man

med-man

Sustainable harvesting and stockpiling of substrate has allowed the peat bogs to become RHP certified, 14 billion hectares of peat a year are harvested and 4% is used in horticulture.

I hate lame ass excuses that are not well researched and poorly referenced as cited arguments. Do you have any research?

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Take your head out your 500 light ass and have a look at some of what others do Med Man because your not the be and end of all that is growing.

Your shit we can see from you pictures.

The fact you list all you trophy’s in you signature affirms the fact that you manhood is small and that you are not self-confident in the answers you able to give or the methods you use. You have only ever answered with pictures of grows or yourself collecting trophy’s, fuck Ajrian has a few more trophy’s than you.


Stop trying to belittle my statements with your pictures of grows for profit. If you are an organic grower you will understand where i am coming from.

What organic tea's do you feed and how are they made Med-man?

Dave Man,

His signature is the guarantee he gives to his following.

His pictures are the proof of such signature.

You can't fault him for that he is a businessman.

He is also a Gardener who has a lot of Miles on him.

Throttle down on the hate man, Pictures are Pictures, You have a camera?

signature is whatever you want it to be, if Med-man is full of shit his business wont last, however if he has something good to offer his patients or consumers, it shouldn't be tarnished by biased and unfounded opinions.

Peace

 

[med-man]

hey dave

in 7 years i ahve donated over 1 million in services to the global cannabis community. esp medicinal

what have you done? trolled the web and its productive contributers?

med-man

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Well in a hydro grow you can't mix/add anything organic except the worm juice made from all the waste plant matter which is or isn't organicly made.

With substrates you can amend or add to them each cycle with all the humus the worms make.


Feed some cannabis waste to rabbits, they can process the OM but the rabbit eating the cannabis wastes about 1/3 of the potential nutriment benefit to the soil as it passes through the animal.

The fact that an organic system requires no animal waste to succeed and that a pure veganic approach proves to be the best way to increase fertility and reduce P&D is of no surprise. If there was a better way to deliver nutriment in an environmentally friendly manner the facts would be on dedicated paper.

Organic practice isn't the same as 'organic'. The fact is that organic practice is so much better for all us earth dwellers!

All the waste that is composted on the planet and not land filled has played its role in the organic system and has not deteriorated the environment but instead benefited it, whatever comes from the ground will go back into it.

We don't filter dirt as it is clean and sterile and RO isn't organic, it is a terrible waste and dangerous to drink.

Whoa, Organic does not exclude shit crap pooop etc, you are very misinformed, I suggest you leave this conversation and come back when you at least know how to grow organic versus "vegan"

Veganics is the only system that eliminates Shit

Organics the one your arguing for includes Shit.

Go back and study.

Come back and Comment.

Peace

 

[Mate Dave]

Whoa, Organic does not exclude shit crap pooop etc, you are very misinformed, I suggest you leave this conversation and come back when you at least know how to grow organic versus "vegan"

Veganics is the only system that eliminates Shit

Organics the one your arguing for includes Shit.

Go back and study.

Come back and Comment.

Peace

That would be the wrong post to quote me as I don't mention Veganics in that post other than to suggest Organics needs no poo and can still be organic and that health benefits from not using faeces will suppress certain soil borne pests, I suggest you go back and re-read or edit.

Shit are you seriously considering I don't know the difference between organics and Vegancs. My grow thread says differently.

As this thread is about soil or hydroponics I think we have now got some good information with pro's and con's to the various cultural methods used in today’s culture of cannabis in its various forms with un bias information presented from various different sources as to the situations that demand a certain cultural method over another.

What I see difficult in hydro is to be able to get the same quality of flowers each time in and out, with no long term benefit on the environment while reducing the vitality of the cannabis plants resistance, not benefiting your fellow growers.

Also there is abundant plant waste which I find silly, without adding anything but grow waste to the substrate, it improves what you already have and can promote a healthy organic soil 10 years on when you may wish to retire and grow fruits ??

I'm just saying you can't buy that!

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Well in a hydro grow you can't mix/add anything organic except the worm juice made from all the waste plant matter which is or isn't organicly made.

With substrates you can amend or add to them each cycle with all the humus the worms make.


Feed some cannabis waste to rabbits, they can process the OM but the rabbit eating the cannabis wastes about 1/3 of the potential nutriment benefit to the soil as it passes through the animal.

The fact that an organic system requires no animal waste to succeed and that a pure veganic approach proves to be the best way to increase fertility and reduce P&D is of no surprise. If there was a better way to deliver nutriment in an environmentally friendly manner the facts would be on dedicated paper.

Organic practice isn't the same as 'organic'. The fact is that organic practice is so much better for all us earth dwellers!

All the waste that is composted on the planet and not land filled has played its role in the organic system and has not deteriorated the environment but instead benefited it, whatever comes from the ground will go back into it.

We don't filter dirt as it is clean and sterile and RO isn't organic, it is a terrible waste and dangerous to drink.

Sorry to all the sensitive people, reader discretion advised.

We don't filter dirt as it is clean and sterile and RO isn't organic, it is a terrible waste and dangerous to drink.

Says all the healthy R/O water drinkers.

Well in a hydro grow you can't mix/add anything organic except the worm juice made from all the waste plant matter which is or isn't organicly made.

I won't fault you for spelling organically wrong. Hydro can add anything it wants when it wants, plus match all the environmental concerns regarding such additives.

Peace

 

[Sativa Dragon]

That would be the wrong post to quote me as I don't mention Veganics in that post, I suggest you go back and re-read or edit.

Shit are you seriously considering I don't know the difference between organics and Vegancs. My grow thread says differently.

You know you are arguing for Organics right.

I brought veganics in when you suggested not using certain things.

Peace

 

[Sativa Dragon]

BTW you mention Veganics whether you like it or not, when you eliminate animal waste from Organics means you Veganic.

Which your obviously not.

Peace

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Silence is golden

 

[Mate Dave]

BTW you mention Veganics whether you like it or not, when you eliminate animal waste from Organics means you Veganic.

Which your obviously not.

Peace

Are you saying that my organic bio-bizz is veganic and that it has come mislabelled for a Decade? Or are you saying because I only add water and no guano it is veganic.

It is all part of an organic system, Veganics is not something new and is not fully implemented much like permaculture in terms of modern farming.

(Perminant Agriculture) Bill Mollinson or Sep Holtzer - Some of founders of the western forms of this Permaculture.

You can't eliminate animal waste in the field but indoors it is beneficial to keep Poo out the grow. (if it ain’t rabbit poo it's not working when you feed it.)

If you don't test you substrate you don't know if it was the guano or the OM or Fungi that was responsible for the extra nutriment delivery.

Veganics and organic is just sematics, going from provenance to provenance and witnessing various culture systems the difference between organic and veganics is simply the ability to amend the soil with animal or human waste, some cultures don't have that luxury and others find anaerobic composting disgusting. It is all basic organic cultural practice.

Like you said you don't like dirt!