Medical Attention for organic Northern Lights

[YesMamNoSir]

Hello all I am in some dire need of help here my setup is...
plants:3 bagseed from black cherry kush (who knows really) and one nirvana nothern lights and all are 3 weeks into veg in one gallon containers.

grow space is 24"x30" 2 feet tall
temps: 75f and 45%RH
lights: 250 watts mixed spectrum cfl

soil: 50%ffof, 20%perlite, 20% vermiculite, 10% EWC mixed in tsp of espoma biotone starter and jobes biozome w/ archae

nutrients: so far i have only innoculated with oregonism during transplant and first two waterings plants got humic acid and baccilus innoculant, 2 drops superthrive per quart, last watering got 1/4 tsp fish and kelp fert and some black strap mollases.

My nirvana nothern lights has been drooping and curling like an dupside down gondola. old leaves are starting to die off... It transplantsed fine and took off growing 3 sets of nodes in its new one gallong pot before this started happening it started at first to just look like underwatering it was drinking its water faster than all ther other plants so i would give it a cup when it got bone dry so it could last till the rest when it got watered. each one gallon container gets a quart of water every 3rd day. i thought it was maybe a cal mag issue so last time i water with some superthrive, Roots organics elemental(this has fish proteing hydrolysate, calcitic lime and gypsum) and half aerated tap half RO...this was yesterday today didnt look any better or worse the other plants friggin loved it and perked up an hour after watering. last week i did foliar feed some extreme serene(kelp) i used 1/8th tsp in a quart of water and this didn't help maybe for a few hours but it's still getting worse. this morning i foliared with 1/4 tsp of epsom salts with a drop of superthrive and this seemed to help leaves didn't feel so papery and the stem straightened up a lil bit.....i'm really at a loss here i mean everything should be doing fine seeings i'm not ferting it that much minimal fish/kelp/molasses...please help i don't know what to do all the others are fine i've thought about everything could it just be rootbound and wanting a bigger pot?? i'm afraid to transplant when it's so stressed out. i've never smoked pure northern lights and i was soooo looking forward to it. i have about a dozen harvested grow under my belkt please help me get a couple more guys.
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hard to see but the last one is showing little red freckles on the tips of plants...

 

[papaduc]

You're at a loss because, like so many other growers on this and other forums over the years, your relationship with the basic bottle of plant food has become estranged. This is now officially an epidemic in marijuana horticulture, unfortunately.

Before you do do anything, you must first understand that what you're growing is a very simple and basic weed; a plant which is so easy to maintain with the littlest of care and attention. It will literally grow itself, as long as you provide it a home to grow, and food on which to sustain itself.

Next time you water, drop all the additionals. Drop everything which is not a complete plant food.

Take the balanced plant food, whichever you choose, and make sure you thoroughly saturate your root ball with it. Then follow a wet/dry cycle with that. Then post back in one week and let me know how you're getting on. Hopefully it will be a happy new year.

 

[YesMamNoSir]

I agree with you in a sense, but i didnt start with the affitives ill the sickliness started (other than the humic and the innoculants). That was my plan was to give a couple waterings and use half aerated tap water and half RO. maybe this will added some much needed minerals....i also forgot to add that i put pulverized and pelletized lime (1/2tbsp of ea h per gallon soil) and also tbsp/gal of azomite i only let it cook for about a week before transplant. i usually never check ph but ive vehemetly been testing since problems ocxured its constantly at high 6,s for runoff and i water at ph 7. would it be bad to transplant with it so stressed??... i will definitely keep yall updated on this thread.

 

[YesMamNoSir]

You're at a loss because, like so many other growers on this and other forums over the years, your relationship with the basic bottle of plant food has become estranged. This is now officially an epidemic in marijuana horticulture, unfortunately.

Before you do do anything, you must first understand that what you're growing is a very simple and basic weed; a plant which is so easy to maintain with the littlest of care and attention. It will literally grow itself, as long as you provide it a home to grow, and food on which to sustain itself.

Next time you water, drop all the additionals. Drop everything which is not a complete plant food.

Take the balanced plant food, whichever you choose, and make sure you thoroughly saturate your root ball with it. Then follow a wet/dry cycle with that. Then post back in one week and let me know how you're getting on. Hopefully it will be a happy new year.

do you think maybe i should fo a mini flush with the one plant when it dries out like give it two quarts of plain water insted of the usual one? to get the residual additives out??

 

[papaduc]

I agree with you in a sense, but i didnt start with the additives til the sickness started (other than the humic and the innoculants).

I think you misinterpreted my point. I don't mean the additives are poisoning the plant, but rather that by using them in place of actual balanced plant food, you are starving it. What you describe isn't sickness, it's hunger. None of the things you listed are a replacement for plant food, and there are nowhere near enough minerals in tap water alone to sustain a healthy plant.

If you have an all round plant food, just use that.

Do you have one?

 

[YesMamNoSir]

I was gifted the roots organic master pack. So yes. It has Buddah Grow, Trinity (comparable to liquid karma) Extreme Serene (kelp 0-2-2), amino aide(5-0-0). I also have some fox farm big bloom and fertilome fish fert left over from previous grows. They've been in 50%ffof,20%perlite,
20%vermiculite, 10% EWC, for about 3 weeks now. The NL has been gettimg progreddively worse for about ten days now....

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[YesMamNoSir]

This is her amongst her bagseed sisters....

 

[YesMamNoSir]

And this is her worst spot...forgot to mention in the last pic she is the one in the top left closest to the light. the others are a little droopy cuz i had just watered and supercropped them.

There are also little timy red freckles on the tips of a couple of her bad leaves. Her first fan leaf fell off today this sucks

 

[joe fresh]

overwatering....its locking out nutes...let her dry out to a crisp, then water lightly

 

[YesMamNoSir]

THANK YOU SO MUCH. that seems to be the consensus. She's in a one gallon container amd ive been feeding a quart every 3rd day. The temps were high and RH was LOW so i thought i was helping. Guess not. I will cut it down to 3/5 a quart and when I think it's light I'll wait another day. This is great because it is free and less work.....I'll keep this updated to help future overwateters...

 

[papaduc]

The thing to remember though, is that while you might have overwatered your plant, you have also done a lot of other things which could throw off the ph and nutrient balance in the pot. It'll be interesting to see if just letting her dry out will bring her back around. My guess is, without a transplant, it probably won't. You should always follow a good wet/dry cycle in soil, I totally agree with that. But looking at your initial post again, and subsequent ones, there are so many things that could be wrong.

In future, along with a good wet/dry cycle, just buy a good quality compost, forget Ph adjusting your water, and feed only when the bottom leaf begins to pale. When you do feed, feed it nothing except a good balanced base veg nutrient.

Keep us updated on how you get on.

 

[YesMamNoSir]

I will! Last night i put it closer to the fan to blow over soil and tilled the top inch to get some airflow also poked a couple holes with a kabob around perimeter of he pot to get some air in the soil. This morning she had straightened herself out a bit and actually had some small new growth.

I am gonna try and get two wet/dry cycles in then transplant her in some ed with socompost/ffof. I'll keep ya updated with some pics...

On the other hand my three bagseed are growing just fine. After being supercropped bottom shoots grew a couple inches in a couple days. I am gonna get them on a stricter wet dry cycle and hopefully they can flourish even more.

 

[pseudostelariae]

maybe try watering at closer to ph 6

 

[YesMamNoSir]

Shes still going strong. I had to pluck off a couple of what has to be beautiful fan leaves and now the undergrowth is slowly growing in. S he is a lot heavier than the other three i have going so she is uptaking at a much slower rate.

My big mistake was not changing her water cycle as the environment in the room was being adjusted. Lesson learned.

How would you suggest I ph down. I am running an organic setup. Could I just pit a couple drops of kelp or fulvic acid to bring ph down...putting vinegar in my soil always scares me.

Now big problem is that i couldnt lst or supercrop so she is a good three inches taller than the rest. Always a battle.

I will post new pics when I get home.

 

[papaduc]

If you want to lower the ph without adding anything nutritionally, use citric acid crystals. Dissolve them in water and use it like you do your ph down.

 

[YesMamNoSir]

I saw taht earthjuice sells them as phdown. Is there any way to get them from a regular store maybe sold as something else for cheaper??

 

[papaduc]

you can get food grade citric acid crystals anywhere online. Shop around for the best price. If you've only got a few plants, 250g will last you a few grows.

 

[YesMamNoSir]

I know this is old, but I said I would update. My northern lights is still alive, but not thriving. She's almost a foot tall and has had no training, and while letting her dry out (which lasted almost ten days for bottom leaves to get a lil droopy) she lost almost all of her big fat indica leaves. She seems to be struggling to produce any more big leaves, but is steadily growing upwards. I was told overwateing drowns the microherd amd they start stealing oxygen/nutrients from roots starving the plant. so this is the cause of yellowing and stunted growth. i dropped mywatering down to 3/4 quart every ffth day and mulshed the top with ewc an cypress bark on tip top also got in an hps. Mulsh has kept evap pretty steady so my watering sched can be more routine. Thanks for help will posst pics later.

 

[papaduc]

Yep, get some pictures up.

My advice is get the basics tuned in before you start adjusting with lime and adding extras into your mix; be it on the top of the pot, in it, to your nute regime. Grow the plant in a basic trusted compost mix, use one bottle of plant food, and just feed it like any normal house plant. When it's slightly dry, water it. Don't let it get bone dry and wilting because that will cause root damage which will affect the growth and health of the plant.

With a living weed plant, you're never too late to start with the right practices. You can turn this plant into a vigorous beast within weeks if you follow the right advice.

 

[YesMamNoSir]

Well thar she blows. She's kind of leggy....more stems than pretty leaves, but hey at least she ain't dead! She just got wacked with a full vegetative compost tea. She is about to get put in a 4 gallon flowering pot and put on 12/12 all in the next couple weeks. I was really wanting to get a couple clones off of her, but I'm not sure if it'd be fruitless or not seeings all the stress she's been put through. She did just this week start showing preflowers though.

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