First Timer: 12 Light Coco Multi-feed

[papaduc]

It's a matter of personal preference/experiences. You can do a side by side though if you want.

If you've got pictures of your seedlings through the first 2 weeks of their growth you can compare them now to mine a few pages ago. Have a look at them and tell me if you're seeing better results by using a 1000w. It's a simple comparison you can make for yourself. I genuinely am curious to see if you can convince me the 1000w does it better than the 125.

Like you say, each to their own with regards to the methods you use, but I still maintain that until the plant is about 6" tall and has a few fan leaves to process the light, you don't get much if any benefit using a 1000w instead of a 125w.

 

[papaduc]

I think the shock mostly just has to do from being transplanted, getting hit with more light, and getting hit with enriched CO2 all at the same time.

If there's a noticeable slow in growth then there's definitely something else happening than light shock. The temps might not be right, the air exchange in a room with 12 lights running and so many plants in there might not be right compared to when they weer under just 1000w. There are so many reasons, because the simple truth of it is, if your plants are motoring through their seedling stage and are ready to start branching, putting them in big pots and under big lights should only see them explode into huge bushes. Transplanting, or introducing more light, definitely shouldn't shock them.

Obviously you can have too much light, that goes without saying, but unless you're not stressing them by proximity then the light itself shouldn't be a problem. The 12k doesn't make a difference from in terms of light received by the plant. The light from the bulb directly above, whether it's 400, 600 or 1000w, is the only light which will matter to it from that point of view, because the others won't even be relevant in the equation; they're too far away to matter in that respect. What will matter is the heat they give off, how it effects humidity and transpiration etc, and, as your plants grow, the co2 they consume... and so on

It's all part of the process of getting things dialed though man, and in a 12k room I'd imagine that'll take a little bit of doing. Not a bad problem to have though eh

 

[RetroGrow]

GH 3 part Micro and Bloom=Maxibloom. Same thing.
I have had my best results with GH nutes. I also like Florilicious+.

 

[whatthe215]

GH 3 part Micro and Bloom=Maxibloom. Same thing.
I have had my best results with GH nutes. I also like Florilicious+.

maxibloom = micro/bloom @ 8/16 right?

wow i just realized, maybe i could switch to maxibloom + 3ml bloom. i would be buying 5 times less 6gal jugs.

 

[RetroGrow]

maxibloom = micro/bloom @ 8/16 right?

wow i just realized, maybe i could switch to maxibloom + 3ml bloom. i would be buying 5 times less 6gal jugs.

Maxibloom's a powder. That's the beauty of it. Very inexpensive in bulk. I don't know if it's the exact same ratio, but it does have the same ingredients. One part, all the way. It's all on their website. It's also what everybody in the K.I.S.S. thread uses.

 

[papaduc]

You can apply the philosophy behind the kiss approach, to any nutrient out there. I think you can improve on it by applying the more accurate measurement of the EC pen and alternating between a grow and bloom formula. The kiss thread is based on the suggestion that you use a basic plant food at a set amount throughout the whole cycle.

I totally agree with that general approach to gardening, but I also think it needs to be tweaked because I think you should be aiming to change your ratios for veg and flower.

One thing I don't understand is why the maxibloom users don't just use the maxigrow for the veg period. What's the thinking behind that?

 

[dansbuds]

Because people still think the Lucas formula is a good way of feeding their plants . it works to some degree , but it isn't a fool proof way of feeding .

http://lucasformula.com/

 

[whatthe215]

because lucas formula has more than enough N to support healthy veg growth.

why buy grow, when the micro in 3 part already has the correct amount of N?

i'd prefer 2 jugs over 3 everyday.

 

[RB26]

Just ordered some more V&B Dirty. I'm going to use that for the remainder of veg and see how it performs. There's a chance I'll switch to the MB Ferts Grow A&B (for subsequent runs) if their other products rock, but now veg will be:

- V&B Base
- MB Ferts Vita-Boost
- Orca
- SM-90


Flower will be:
- BT PBP Bloom (might be replaced with MB Ferts Bloom A&B)
- BT Aquashield
- BT Silica Blast
- BT CaMg
- MB Ferts PK Booster
- MB Ferts Vita-Boost
- Some YB Additives

 

[dansbuds]

I love the canna line for flower & may stick to it . I had problems with the V&B in flower last time that took some getting used to . it has to much N for late flower & i had to drasticly cut back on the feeds or i got an N toxicity . but my veg has been less than acceptible (to me ) with the canna , & sense starting back with the V&B , shit has just exploded again !!! I love it


Hey OVO , got a question . your from out in that area ... i got a Madness cut & i can't find out much about it . i do know its a north Cali cut & its not the Mendicino madness , thats a cinderella99 crossed to the madness . any idea of the lineage of the Madness ??? its got a chem/diesel growth structure to her , so i'm just curious of her make up .
The outer blade curl towards the center blade trait i'm pretty sure is a chem trait .... but again i'm not sure .

 

[RB26]

I love the canna line for flower & may stick to it . I had problems with the V&B in flower last time that took some getting used to . it has to much N for late flower & i had to drasticly cut back on the feeds or i got an N toxicity . but my veg has been less than acceptible (to me ) with the canna , & sense starting back with the V&B , shit has just exploded again !!! I love it


Hey OVO , got a question . your from out in that area ... i got a Madness cut & i can't find out much about it . i do know its a north Cali cut & its not the Mendicino madness , thats a cinderella99 crossed to the madness . any idea of the lineage of the Madness ??? its got a chem/diesel growth structure to her , so i'm just curious of her make up .
The outer blade curl towards the center blade trait i'm pretty sure is a chem trait .... but again i'm not sure .

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Unfortunately I don't man… sorry. I do know Mendo Madness is an awesome strain though! It's done in 45-50 days!

 

[RB26]

So I've been getting/am about to get a bunch of really solid genetics. I already have too many strains but I can't turn these others down. I probably won't run the SS again for a while because of this, so I decided to take out a couple of the smaller SS plants and replace them with my mothers

I'm going to flower them out and see what happens. There are 3 of these beasts, should get interesting :big grin:

 

[papaduc]

Because people still think the Lucas formula is a good way of feeding their plants . it works to some degree , but it isn't a fool proof way of feeding .

I agree. It can't be. I'm not a fan of set and forget systems when it comes to something that should be more intuitive, like growing a plant. I don't see how it develops skills in the same way as learning to read and understand the basic signs the plant is showing you.

Systems like that are a win for simplicity, but just as big a loss for knowledge as any 10 bottle or $2000 snake oil regime. They're the lesser of two evils without doubt, and if anyone was going to invest in one approach to growing, I'd prefer they did that. But neither compare to learning how to grow a very simple plant.

why buy grow, when the micro in 3 part already has the correct amount of N?

No, I mean the powdered nutes, not the 3-part.

It seems counter intuitive to feed bloom throughout, just to simplify things, when the only difference between doing that and using the line as two separate parts, would be to switch to the bloom when you go into flower. I've just never understood what point there is in doing that, unless you're trying for really squat plants or to minimise stretch.

 

[papaduc]

I'm going to flower them out and see what happens. There are 3 of these beasts, should get interesting :big grin:

Lookin very healthy fella. Any plans for training or support?

 

[RetroGrow]

One thing I don't understand is why the maxibloom users don't just use the maxigrow for the veg period. What's the thinking behind that?

Simple: Maxibloom has everything the plant needs in both grow and flower. It is excellent for roots & flowers, and the results speak for themselves. If you tried it, you would understand. The idea is to find a one part nute that can be used all the way, and that is Maxibloom. Also, some people do use Grow first, then switch to Bloom. Since Maxibloom is better for rooting and flowering, and has plenty of nitrogen for vegging, it makes the perfect one part, which is the idea. The Grow formula really has no advantage over the Bloom formula in veg. Both work, but all things considered, Bloom works better. This has been demonstrated by MANY people. Lots of the best growers here use it.

 

[papaduc]

The Grow formula really has no advantage over the Bloom formula in veg. Both work, but all things considered, Bloom works better. This has been demonstrated by MANY people.

I'm interested to see this.

The bloom formula I've got no doubt about. Too many flower feeds are too high in nitrogen to even be classed as feed for a fruiting plant. But that there's an advantage in using it in veg is what I want to see. Any good diaries or threads you can point me towards?

 

[RB26]

Ya papa, she will definitely need stakes haha. I've got at least two weeks more veg and those 3 mothers are already up to my stomach.

 

[papaduc]

should be fun

 

[RetroGrow]

I'm interested to see this.

The bloom formula I've got no doubt about. Too many flower feeds are too high in nitrogen to even be classed as feed for a fruiting plant. But that there's an advantage in using it in veg is what I want to see. Any good diaries or threads you can point me towards?

KISS thread....

 

[papaduc]

I've read the kiss thread, I've also read a few others since last night. Lots of people are having problems through veg with yellowing plants when using maxibloom and nothing else it seems. Any actual diaries you can link me to?

Cheers.