New USA Butane Company!

[SkyHighLer]

Hey SkyHigh so this is what Capital told me after i told them there is still oil in there tane

There is no oil. What you are finding is a white substances that evaporates when you touch it or add the smallest amount of heat to it. Butanes evaporation point is 31 degrees. People run these tests with butane that is 0-10 degrees F. When you blast a can through a glass extractor the extractor gets cold and frosts. All thats in the can is carbon and hydrogen so look a little closer at the variables in your experiments and the substance you are finding. cheers

After the boil off the outside of the flattened bag is sandwiched between two washcloths to catch any gross moisture, and then the bag is vacuumed down twice to -29.9" Hg before being weighed. There is nothing left but an oily substance, in the case of Capital N-butane, a gummy one at that.

I answered this exact same allegation by them yesterday in public at another forum. The test is tight and true, how it's done,


Cheapest generic supermarket one gallon ziplock bag, cut the ziplock off, fold up, place on .01 or .001 scale, record tare weight, fold over the top one inch to the outside, place in a pyrex dish, place the pyrex dish in another dish, squirt a full can of ~300ml butane lighter refill into a quart Mason jar as per the video, pour the liquid butane into the plastic bag, add warm water to the larger dish, after boil off vacuum purge the bag, fold the bag, place on scale, record weight, deduct tare weight from final weight.

Freeze the can of butane and the Mason jar by placing in the freezer for a couple of hours before the test to maximize the amount of liquid butane collected.

Mason jar extraction video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTVRYk0Zdg4&feature=youtu.be

 

[HungreyMan420]

Sky In your honest opinion what do you think about this butane? and do you think the gummy stuff is the same as the other mystery oils??
im about to go pick up 100 cans but i feel i can get a better deal on Lucienn if it has lower ppms! Thanks Big Dawg!

 

[HungreyMan420]

and i wonder if the gummy stuff is from the bag degrading maybe?? can that be a possibility??

 

[SkyHighLer]

Sky In your honest opinion what do you think about this butane? and do you think the gummy stuff is the same as the other mystery oils??
im about to go pick up 100 cans but i feel i can get a better deal on Lucienn if it has lower ppms! Thanks Big Dawg!

The only reason to choose Capital N-butane over the lower residue butanes like Lucienne is the absence of propane if that interests you. It's not my fault they didn't really test their product...

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Great work SHL! A true service to all of us extractors out there.

 

[SkyHighLer]

and i wonder if the gummy stuff is from the bag degrading maybe?? can that be a possibility??

No, the bag's fine with the butane. The consistency of the residue varies mostly by country of manufacture, with the Korean's yellowish tinted, gummy stuff being the most repulsive, imo. At least the Capital N-butane residue is clear with a neutral scent. I have subjective opinions on all of the brands I tested, I just haven't gotten around to posting them up yet...

 

[HungreyMan420]

no im not saying anything bad my dude i was asking your honest opinion is all good sir?

 

[SkyHighLer]

no im not saying anything bad my dude i was asking your honest opinion is all good sir?

Capital N-butane's claim of no "Mystery Oil" (residue) is wrong. They don't even meet the "near zero impurities" standard.

I save my notes and the bags, can you see the yellow residue inside the Korean Lava bag?

 

[UNREGISTRD]

i see the yellow residue..^^^ So They say its a white substance.. Well a substance is usually a compound of some sort of minerals or element.. Ie residue...

 

[SkyHighLer]

i see the yellow residue..^^^ So They say its a white substance.. Well a substance is usually a compound of some sort of minerals or element.. Ie residue...

Most all of the Korean butane has yellow tinted, smelly residue. Just say no to Korean butane, it's not poison, just inferior. Also, the Xikar made in the USA stinks, it's a chemical smell, not odorant/mercaptan, please do not use it to make BHO. I didn't test the Xikar from the UK, so can't comment on it other than to say, collect some residue from it yourself and do a test whiff...

Jackgastche, who did the tests on the UK Xikar just pm'd me the UK Xikar has a chemical smell also, not odorant/mercaptan, something else. I added a note to the butane residue test result lists reflecting this.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Any one who says there is no mystery oil in their butane, has to be from the marketing department, vis a vis the lab. Have any of ya'll ever asked a lab technician to describe zero?

Zero is where ever we elect to cut off the test. Something can be 100% pure if you set the decimal point high enough, but butane is unlikely to not have measurable content in the PPM and PPB range, and in the PPQuad range, there is a lot of stuff, some scary.

Skyhighler's tests suggests that they've set their zero in the third decimal place, while we are testing in the sixth.

Sometimes a truth is how you word it, but weasel words don't cut it at the test bench. It is an easy test to duplicate, so how long do you imagine any marketing myths will stand up to empirical testing. Even if you royally screw up the test, so that the actual measurements are totally worthless, how will the color be explained away?

By a degrading bag? LDPE definitely isn't the plastic of choice for handling butane, but you can easily demonstrate that there is no yellow residue created by soaking it in butane and then letting the butane evaporate. I know this because I did so just to see what would happen, when Skyhighler first started his tests.

Anyone can say anything, even if it's not true and they know that it isn't true, which is why actual confirmation tests play such a central role in science. Sometimes folks say things through ignorance, but sometimes it is from secondary agendas. Part of veting new information, is walking around the elephant to see how it looks from all perspectives, and who has what to gain or loose with the outcome.

Since Capital starts out of the gate losing credibility points by stating if not the scientifically impossible, most certainly the improbable at any sort of price any of us would be willing to pay, I have to say they bear watching.

As truth is shorter than fiction, why even debate the issue. May I suggest that we just cut to the chase and several of us brothers run a single can to see if it leaves behind a yellow deposit? They are after all, claiming a statistically impossible zero, so there should be zero yellow residual after lying around a day or so for any "white moisture" to dissipate.

How is that any different that the escalating XXXXXXXXX we are finding on brands that test no better than brands falling in the central scatter of those with half the number of X's on the can. If nothing else, this exercise has demonstrated that some brands are cleaner than others, but what is stated on the can has little bearing on what is inside, because of marketing ploys, as well as the unsettling discovery that the residuals can test significantly differently even between individual cans from the same brand and lot.

 

[SkyHighLer]

GW, "As truth is shorter than fiction, why even debate the issue. May I suggest that we just cut to the chase and several of us brothers run a single can to see if it leaves behind a yellow deposit? They are after all, claiming a statistically impossible zero, so there should be zero yellow residual after lying around a day or so for any "white moisture" to dissipate."

The Capital N-butane's residue is clear, and the smell is neutral, but the amount of residue is easily readable with a cheap .001 gradient scale.

"How is that any different that the escalating XXXXXXXXX we are finding on brands that test no better than brands falling in the central scatter of those with half the number of X's on the can. If nothing else, this exercise has demonstrated that some brands are cleaner than others, but what is stated on the can has little bearing on what is inside, because of marketing ploys, as well as the unsettling discovery that the residuals can test significantly differently even between individual cans from the same brand and lot."

I haven't found that, "the residuals can test significantly differently even between individual cans from the same brand and lot."

My Best to Worst list sets aside the readings I took with a less precise scale (.01 gradient,) and shows very high linearity of readings for individual brands and their time periods of manufacture. China and USA refiners have upped their game to that of the UK/English standard, "Near Zero Impurities," while Korea lags far behind, though the Vector 14X is better, maybe 96X? ;-)

Best to Worst list,

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6099306&postcount=28