SUPERTHRIVE

[dank.frank]

Stonefree69 - ...why did you misquote me in post #38 ????

I never said what you have quoted there. Try looking back to #33....which is what you claim to have quoted. And that post is unedited.

I NEVER said anything about "800 mg of Salicin is equivalent to 500 mg of Aspirin" - and why you have in your quote that I did - is beyond me.

Please be more careful...



dank.Frank

 

[im me]

I use it for clones and transplanting. Thats about it,definitley not an essential product. But i personally like it.

 

[Stonefree69]

Stonefree69 - ...why did you misquote me in post #38 ????

I never said what you have quoted there. Try looking back to #33....which is what you claim to have quoted. And that post is unedited.

I NEVER said anything about "800 mg of Salicin is equivalent to 500 mg of Aspirin" - and why you have in your quote that I did - is beyond me.

Please be more careful...



dank.Frank

Yeah I was wondering, sorry about that dank.Frank. Guess somehow I pasted that into your quote. When those numbers came up from seeing it before I thought it a strange coincidence. At the time I "assumed" they were correct.

Thanks much again for the info on the white willow bark source. floridaherbhouse.com also has it, I've ordered from them many times before and they have many premium organic products too in powder form.

 

[dank.frank]

No big deal man - it's just when I read that, it's like wait - I've never heard those figures, personally, so I KNOW I didn't say that...hahahaha.

Thanks for posting up the information and figures that you have....I've never really attempted to figure or understand how it compares directly to aspirin - but more so at what point it is effective in the soil vs not vs too much...so in that regard, your posts are interesting and give me something to look up and learn a bit more depth about.



dank.Frank

 

[Stonefree69]

White willow bark varies but is on average 5-6% salicin. Also from a reliable source: "Serum salicylate concentrations during treatment suggest that a daily consumption of 240 mg of salicin as extract is bio-equivalent to 50-87 mg acetylsalicylic acid" from http://www.ema.europa.eu/docs/en_GB...MPC_assessment_report/2009/12/WC500018258.pdf

So to get that white willow bark equivalent of 120 mg aspirin (the 1 1/2 aspirin tablets used in 2 gallons of water) that's about 330-580 mg salicin equivalent which at 6% concentration would require about 5,500-9,600 mg white willow bark powder. Rounded off that's 5-10 grams willow bark powder per 2 gallons water. This should ideally be brewed overnight. Still even at 10 grams/2 gallons, a pound of white willow bark powder will make 90 gallons of treated water.

Thanks for posting up the information and figures that you have....I've never really attempted to figure or understand how it compares directly to aspirin - but more so at what point it is effective in the soil vs not vs too much...so in that regard, your posts are interesting and give me something to look up and learn a bit more depth about.



dank.Frank

To make one final addition to my post about white willow bark dosage:

"Researchers have also suggested that white willow bark is more effective than aspirin because of other active compounds that are found in the bark but not the drug. Animal research at Cairo University compared a willow bark extract to ASA and found that a willow bark extract was as effective as aspirin in reducing inflammation, even though the salicin content was lower than an equivalent dose of ASA." - from http://altmedicine.about.com/od/completeazindex/a/willow_bark.htm * ASA is the active ingredient in aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid).



What that means is white willow bark is more potent than one might realize compared to aspirin because of more active ingredients besides salicin. So definitely I would try the 5 gram per 2 gallon water dosage instead of 10 grams as calculated. Also has a lot of tannins (so also watch out ingesting too much):

White Willow Bark: Potentially Active Chemical Constituents
· Glycosides (1.5-11%): salicylates (salicin, salicortin, populin, fragilin, tremulacin)15, 16
· Tannins (8-20%)17
· Aromatic aldehydes and acids: salidroside, vanillin, syringin, salicylic acid, caffeic and ferulic acids
· Salicyl alcohol (saligenin)
· Flavonoids

From http://www.longwoodherbal.org/willowbark/willow.pdf

Hope this helps. Now back to

 

[Sativa Dragon]

I love flavonoids... MMmm!! Flavonoids...

Peace

 

[Ole MacDonald]

Wow, this is a great thread. Props Sativa for asking bringing this up. I guess I am guilty of using Superthrive without a lick of evidence either. The package is definitely pretty!

 

[Granger2]

Note that a std. aspirin tablet is 325 mg. Low Dose Aspirin is 80 mg. -granger

 

[foomar]

These chems are remarkably inexpensive nowadays , quoted $500 for a 25 kilo drum FOB , the ST packageing costs a lot more than the contents at 0.048% .

Mode of actions & functions:α-Naphthaleneacetlc Acid is a high-efficiency plant growth regulator, it can improve the cell splitting and expanding,

induce to form the unstable root, increase the fruits stable and prevent from dropping,

change the ratio of male and female flowers. It is suitable for crops, vegetables, and fruits and so on.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Wow, this is a great thread. Props Sativa for asking bringing this up. I guess I am guilty of using Superthrive without a lick of evidence either. The package is definitely pretty!

For sure man who wouldn't buy it and use it with that pretty package.

I still do and will continue to use it.

Peace

 

[aridbud]

Bottom line....it's a good tonic for plants, as are other water soluble or top dressing. Just preference having worked in commercial greenhouse a few years.

I do from 1st transplanting from containers into pots (or use willow bark soaked in water) and use it every 3 watering's, back off until last veg fertz then every 4 watering's during flower until 2.5 weeks before harvest. Autos, not photos.

Think of it as insurance....vitamins might or might not help, but I take them since much of the ground where plants are grown are robbed of naturally occurring vitamins and minerals from over use, not building up fertile fields. Can't hurt if RDA daily. Same premise.

 

[aridbud]

@ Dank Frank- Thrive Alive B-1....great stuff!! I alternate. If I don't have Spr Thrv, I don't madly rush out and purchase....augment with other brew teas. etc.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Have to ask Aribud are you female?

Peace

 

[foomar]

The WD40 advertising in similar in many ways , similar vintage , secret formula , primary colours , only a few real uses and most people think its a general lubricant and use it improperly.

With chems it is not an advantage to use a formula derived before the war , predating and ignoring more recent work , apart from marketing in a cute retro style.

ST was concocted before genetics and knowledge of detailed plant mechanisms was revealed , things have moved on a bit.

 

[aridbud]

Have to ask Aribud are you female?

Peace

Hell...... I'm Marge!!! (yes)

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Hee hee, good...

Hard to imagine Marge Naked though!

JK

Peace

 

[Weezard]

Oh yeah?
Well, as long as we're way off topic anyway.
Turn off you browser history, or goto private browsing and google "naked marge simpson"

You will be amazed.
Even had a Playboy spread.



Back on topic:
Superthrive is just about worthless!

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Enjoy,
Weeze

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Wow she seems very sexy for a toon! Mmmmm!! Marge...

Thanks Weezard LOL

Peace

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Back on topic:
Superthrive is just about worthless!

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Enjoy,
Weeze

I guess if I wanted the NAA I would just buy it bulk.

It seems like the better deal..
Peace

 

[Rocketman64]

as per conversation regarding aspirin

as per conversation regarding aspirin

This was taken from an article written by:
Marianne C. Ophardt
WSU Extension Faculty
for the Tri-City Herald, Kennewick, WA

"...
In plants, this disease resistance or immune-type response is stimulated by salicylic acid, the ingredient in aspirin. The salicylic acid signals the plant to make a variety of defense related proteins. Research has shown that acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin) applied to plants can induce resistance to some diseases.
One chemical company now produces a salicylic acid derivative that induces systemic resistance response in plants. It’s called Actigard and is registered for use on some commercial vegetable crops for control of certain diseases. When enough aspirin was used in experiments to induce a systemic response, plant damage generally occurred. Actiguard is supposedly gentler on plants...."

The entire article is here:
https://sharepoint.cahnrs.wsu.edu/blogs/gardentips/archive/2004/10/30/MYTH BUSTING .aspx

It seems I ran across another source of information claiming the salicylic acid found in aspirin does not transport through plants as other nutrients do. In other words, simply substituting powdered aspirin in a solution of some sort does not provide salicylic acid to the root system. I'm still looking for that article, when I find it I'll post it.
Anybody else run across such info regarding aspirin?