MMPR- meet the players

[Canada]

Why would you think most of the new Lp's would go under . A lot of the new Lp's were involved in the MMAR program.
Don't you think if your going to " Abuse " the MMAR that you could do so much better in the new MMPR.
The MMPR is a few more forms to fill out but you can grow as many plants as you want and as much as you want . 100's of pounds on hand . I mean you can fund all sorts of Abuse on that level .

 

[Buddha1]

Wow...Unbelievable!!

I understand what you are getting at Buds...Its not that you are in favor of the rules, but HC is.

Because HC loves the rules and the membership of the MMAR program...Well...not so much. HC used the abuse from most of these members to allow/justify the closing of the MMAR program. Also to justify the instatement of a new program, the MMPR. Now if you can't afford to purchase the Medical MJ you need, you are just simply, out of luck. I am one of these people that are SOL when it comes to the MMPR. Not only can I NOT afford the prices of these LP's, but I can't buy the amount I need, because I need 10gr/day = 280 grams each and every 30 day...for life.

Basically I need(at $10.00/gram) the whole allowable amount of 150 grams per month, which is $1500.00 per month...The thing is I only receive $1800.00 a month in pensions.

Myself and others like me are being excluded from the MMPR purely by lack of money, sure we are allowed in the program with using our ATP's, but where do we get the money to purchase the medicine we need. The MMPR, by its own admission, said 30%(more like 60%) of the existing MMAR members will be eliminated because of the lack of funds. HC suggested, people in this situation go back on the pharmaceuticals covered by medical plans ...Completely unfair and unconstitutional. Even if I was allowed to purchase all that I needed through the MMPR, the 280gr/month, I still only get $1800.00 a month which barely covers my cost of living. Without the MMAR program, I and others like me have the choice of going back on to the pharmaceuticals covered by medical plans or grow illegally and if caught, we get go to jail.

Well the plus to this scenario is if I get busted and go to jail, I'll get my meds paid through the Penal System...WaHoooo, good times ahead.

Peace...B

PS. I believe we need both the MMAR and the MMPR to cover everyone's needs...

 

[donaldflower]

Do not have one yet, you'll hear about us in the spring.

Do you have one?

No. Just a consumer.

 

[donaldflower]

You assume doctors will sing it more readily.

You assume they won't. Why? Ou also assume current patients will simply drop out of the system, but offer no reason why.

You appear more interested in being contrary than making a cogent point.

 

[chefboy6969]

You assume they won't. Why? Ou also assume current patients will simply drop out of the system, but offer no reason why.

You appear more interested in being contrary than making a cogent point.

Glad i am not the only one who thinks Buds Bundy is just a lost soul..I keep trying to show him the light..but he keeps fighting like a child...

LOL i think this is all pretty funny

There are a lot of assumptions here

peace
Chefboy

 

[oscarthegrouch]

You assume they won't. Why? Ou also assume current patients will simply drop out of the system, but offer no reason why.

You appear more interested in being contrary than making a cogent point.

because in their eyes nothing has changed except the supplier. They are still afraid of getting sued, being known as the pot dr, and are uneducated as to the uses of cannabis. I have seen over 20 specialists and doctors over the past year in treatment of my condition. Most of them looked at me like I was nuts, pretended not to hear, or insinuated I just wanted to get stoned. Only one of them was open minded enough to sign my papers, and at that point they thought I was going to die within the year. The mmpr has not been sprinkled with magic pixie dust to make doctors any more comfortable signing. There always has and will be a few that will sign for money, but for the rest its business as usual. Maybe in time things will change, but I can tell you right now april first the floodgates are not going to just swing open. Also a large number of people in the mmar are on disability and will not be able to afford the new system, those are the people you will see drop out.

 

[Buds Bundy]

You assume they won't. Why? Ou also assume current patients will simply drop out of the system, but offer no reason why.

You appear more interested in being contrary than making a cogent point.

I've already stated many times why the numbers are wrong yet you keep refusing to acknowledge what I stated, hell might as well say there are 34,000,000 possible customers on April 1st.

Ok I'll be conservative and lets say 50% of production licenses are used strictly to make money. These people also have a possession license which they could are less about for "medicating" vs being able to carry around a few pic with them all the time. Set up properly you'd also have you production site in another municipality and your storage in another municipality where you house is. This way you can can safely transport say 10 lb on you, or take 10,20, 30 lb on the plane if your patient is in an other province.

These people could care less about medicine or buying from CPL's when the systems over.

The other left over percentage of people who grow do so in order to afford their meds. Its much easier to spend $2000 for 2/4 light set up and grow a lb for $200 then to spend hundreds per month to buy medical weed which most can't afford anyways.

Lets do a simple example from Cannimed who is already shipping. 5 grams/day @ $9 = $25 per day * 30 = $1350 per month for your meds not covered by any system atm.

Now I make pretty good money from my job but add in my rent/car/insurance/food and that $1350 is nowhere to be found hell even $350 would mean I'd have to be living from cheque to cheque.

There is no one on this board that could afford 5 grams per day of meds with the new system with out going for broke every month.

 

[Hydrosun]

5x9 = 45 unless there are different rates for math in Canada.

There are lots of people who can spend $1,350 a month on their meds, hobby, gambling, mistress, etc.

Your much more valid point is that free people should be able to set up the lights and do it themselves.

 

[dickwilliams]

mmpr scares doctors just as much

mmpr scares doctors just as much

I'd like to agree with many points in this discussion.
First of all. I got busted as an unlicensed grower for a compassion club a year or so ago. NO FUN at all as I was charged with the full weight of the law. Meanwhile the licensed grow down the street that grows shot moldy weed and is hated by the neighbors, the town and the cops kept churning it out.
After my big bust I went to my doctor explaining the situation and he finally gave in and signed an mmar application based on preexisting PTSD. Unfortunately however my assessment was not done by a specialist, so my app got rejected. My doctor then referred me to the local clinic who sent back a letter stating we dont assist patients trying to get med weed. This scared off my doctor. Luckily in court the judge accepted my personal medical case and all my receipts for compassion club sales resulted in a discharge.
As soon as peace naturals was accepting clients, I went back to my doctor showing him the form to sign and he was horrified, uneducated and stated he would not sign, and likened it to patient asking for assisted suicide! And stated that he couldn't sign as the college would not be supportive, So bottom line is there is no support from doctors on the mmpr so forget the new system, just grow five plants. All the CPLs are suckers. And I agree from my observation that a huge percentage of current license holders are in it for the dough pumping out mediocre weed.

 

[Green Supreme]

So funny doctors are so afraid, as they have no education, yet they do not try to further educate themselves. Man, to me they keep making themselves look worse and worse. Doesn't seem to make them feel the shame I feel for them though. Peace GS

 

[Buds Bundy]

So funny doctors are so afraid, as they have no education, yet they do not try to further educate themselves. Man, to me they keep making themselves look worse and worse. Doesn't seem to make them feel the shame I feel for them though. Peace GS

Well if you have an established successful practice you probably wont' be taking any chances with a non registered drugs especially if it could void your insurance or you college doesn't like it.

 

[Green Supreme]

If I was as "Educated" as a doctor, I would not be sitting about waiting for some government body to educate me on a medicine that I know nothing about. As with a pro in every field, would you not look into something for your own interests. I cannot be the only one who feels this way. Does it not involve keeping blinders on? I mean sure doctors can smoke cigarettes if they want, but being educated on the topic they are making an educated choice. Too each his own only gets you so far. Unless you are pulling the old nazi, "I am just doing my job thing". Peace GS

 

[vapor]

I think for alot of docs, it is about the monies. They are usually on team pharma{doc makes 500 a patient from drug company as sign bonus for methadone}. I am sure other drugs are the same, sell my drugs i will give you and your staff a payed trip to whistler{seen that one too}. So it is interesting situation. corporate greed and compassion dont usually go hand and hand, our doctors are bought and sold by big pharma, i am sure there are a few that buck big pharma. Not the majority from my experiences

 

[Buds Bundy]

If I was as "Educated" as a doctor,

Well non of us are so we're talking from a perspective from someone who know nothing what is to be in a doctors shoes when it comes to their decision to not promote/prescribe cannabis.

 

[Green Supreme]

No actually, it may be beyond your intellect ,but I am certain I am on to something. Peace GS

 

[leaffan]

I'm not sure how doctors can say they don't have any information on medicinal marijuana. The govt has posted a ton of information for them. There have been case studies, even in Canada.
I wonder how much information the doctors had when Sativex was introduced and rammed through the HC approval process?

 

[Buds Bundy]

No actually, it may be beyond your intellect ,but I am certain I am on to something. Peace GS

You're onto nothing and until weed is a registered drug most doctors will ignore it.

 

[Green Supreme]

Ya generalize all you want. I was signed by a doctor that opted in to the health care program in B.C. He got no extra money for signing me. He did his own research, not believing the government hype. He saw real results, in folks he saw on a regular basis and decided for himself. He never signed 1500 patients, so likely never even got hassled about it.

When he and I discussed it he was ashamed for other doctors. He also believed Health Canada built the old and new programs to fail.

So when you generalize about doctors, I wonder how many you have interviewed. Peace GS

 

[5th]

There are lots of people who can spend $1,350 a month on their meds, hobby, gambling, mistress, etc.

Your obviously not from Canada. So welcome.

 

[Buds Bundy]

There are lots of people who can spend $1,350 a month on their meds.

Sure they do Someone working at $30 per hour wouldn't even be able to afford that. @ $9/g thats $4077 per lb when they can get a lb for $2000 from most growers and if illegal weed prices don't raise much (Currently $900-1100/lb in BC) and stay at say 1600-1800 in BC after April 1st 2014 why would anyone pay double+ for the same product.